UT Band Could Be There This Sat But Vote Not To Play

Duck Dodgers said:
That why I said watch what will happen if they keep losing. You're not very bright are you?

Texas losing football games in nothing new, and no one really cares about it outside of the fans. But a terrible controversy that pits fans against fans against players, that's a national story. You watch, Texas keeps playing like a HS football team in a college game, the school song is going to be the story the media uses to get attention and views.
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Okay please stop. You act as if Texas is getting blown out on their loses. Yes it sucks to lose but they are losing literally by one simple mistake. The only people who have a problem are the FANS! The players have no problem with fans, coaches, players etc.. the only people complaining are old donors who are stuck in their ways. I keep seeing everyone say leave the history in the past so that's exactly what needs to happen. Leave the song in the past or change some things about it. It's 2020 and with everything going on why wouldn't players care about the topic.
 
Dont you just love this kind of BS about the EYES has us arguing and turning on the band and each other?
 
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Jacob Johnson said:
Okay please stop. You act as if Texas is getting blown out on their loses. Yes it sucks to lose but they are losing literally by one simple mistake. The only people who have a problem are the FANS! The players have no problem with fans, coaches, players etc.. the only people complaining are old donors who are stuck in their ways. I keep seeing everyone say leave the history in the past so that's exactly what needs to happen. Leave the song in the past or change some things about it. It's 2020 and with everything going on why wouldn't players care about the topic.
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Fans are the problem?
Trying to educate us?

JJ is woke and the rest of us are old school thinking, bad, racist and wrong.

"Come on man!"
 
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Texas is 1-2 in conference, and it took a miracle onside kick for that. Don't pretend this team is close to anything except 0-3 in conference. This year has been a disaster for the Texas football team. From pre-season favorites, to 8th in a 10 ten conference. From top 10 ranking to un-ranked, and with a must win against Baylor.

And how to you know what the players are thinking? You work in the locker room as a towel boy or something? The players think this, the players think that. Dude acts like he's all in the know. Child please. You sound like a wanna-be jock sniffer.

Anyway you want to slice it, the way the players have handled this situation has been another disaster. The Administration gave them everything else they requested off season. But that wasn't good enough, and they wanted it all, including ignoring a traditions that other, better, players than them relished.

So they run off field after the game, leaving their leader, their Captain, their warrior, to sing the Eyes all by himself. After his performance in the OU game, the team should have followed Sam to the gates of hell. Instead they abandoned him. It was sad as a UT fan seeing Sam there, uniformed grass stained, exhausted from his effort, a proud Longhorn, abandoned by a team that doesn't deserve to have him as their QB.

They've put their coach, who's gone to bat for them all season in the hot seat, forced to guzzle a gallon of water during his press conferences. Anything less than a B12 title and he's most likely fired, having used up any good will, and his on the field record against TCU, OU, and OSU being disgraceful.

Seems a poor position to have placed your team mates, and your coach. But it's apparently all about them, and their need to change the world through the cancellation of a 117 year old song.

Look, they can run off the field, no ones' going to stop they. Makes them look small, and petty, but that's in line with their efforts and results on the field, so it's a matched set.
 
WorsterMan said:
Dont you just love this kind of BS about the EYES has us arguing and turning on the band and each other?
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I was thinking the same thing. I am hoping this gets straightened out soon but opening the Chronicle today to learn of the band vote really hit me hard. In addition, I just feel like I am not getting the truth from any official source.my email is full of messages from UT, Texas exes etc and so much of it does not make sense.
 
Disband the band for the rest of the year. Start over with a new membership next year or the year after. Play Hank Williams songs at breaks and halftime. With the stadium more than half empty, "I'm so lonesome I could cry" would be a good interim school song.
 
Actually the alumni band could come and play March Grandioso. But the words to the song are now

Fire Tom Her-man,
Fire Tom Her-man,
Fire......Tom..........NOW!

 
The craziest thing is the people for removing the song keep saying they are doing this for "unity". It is unsettling how easily many Americans nowadays accept feelings and false narratives over reality... how easily many Americans would enthusiastically agree that "war is peace" if a Big Brother tells them to so.

I just wish someone would ask the players, band members, anyone against the Eyes, etc, how they can be bothered with the "origins" of a song because a parody version WITH DIFFERENT LYRICS was performed at a minstrel show 120 years ago, but they are perfectly fine attending a University founded by confederate veterans that did not allow African Americans to attend for decades? How are these students okay at all with being in a band that was found by white people who are racist by todays standards and did not allow african americans in for decades, but are not okay with the Eyes? How are these students okay with playing for or supporting a football team that did not allow Africans Americans until 1970, but are not okay with the Eyes?

I would love for someone to press the students on these questions and to hear an answer as to how they can consider the origins of the Eyes problematic, but not the origins of the University, band or football team problematic? Being okay with the University, band or football team, but not being okay with the Eyes makes the students against the Eyes insincere, ignorant, hypocrites, or misguided (or a combination of such things).

Also, I believe the students had a dumb idea to change our mascot to the armadillos in the 1970s. The students were emphatically told no and the issue died. The problem here is UT is "thinking about their feelings" even though the feelings are insincere, ignorant, misguided or hypocritical. If UT would forget the feelings and remove any athlete or band member who refuses to participate from the team or band, this thing would die just like the University of Texas Armadillos died. Yes, it can go away. UT just has to have the gumption to stand up and truly say "No. The truth is your feelings are wrong. Love it or leave it".
 
4th_floor said:
Disband the band for the rest of the year. Start over with a new membership next year or the year after. Play Hank Williams songs at breaks and halftime. With the stadium more than half empty, "I'm so lonesome I could cry" would be a good interim school song.
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How about a remake of George Jones's "He Stopped Loving Her Today,"..."We Stopped Loving Them Today"?
 
I believe the band has the right to refuse to play. I think the University has the duty to dismiss a musician who won't play. That is all. (same thing with flags)
 
Duck Dodgers said:
That why I said watch what will happen if they keep losing. You're not very bright are you?

Texas losing football games in nothing new, and no one really cares about it outside of the fans. But a terrible controversy that pits fans against fans against players, that's a national story. You watch, Texas keeps playing like a HS football team in a college game, the school song is going to be the story the media uses to get attention and views.
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Quite honestly that's an insult to HS football teams. I've watched a whole lot of HS football in my life and I've never seen one as undisciplined and commit as many stupid penalties and bone-headed mistakes as this Texas team.
 
Hey Nashhorn ! That snottynose kid JJ wants to throw us old Doners under the bus because we refuse to change to their all about me attitude. Doesnt he know we bought the bus?
 
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Don't forget JJ also said he knew of a HS coach at a top program who is "educating" his players on the Eyes.
Of course he can't name the coach.
 
Dude also said players this, players that, like he's tight with them. He's just a wonder dude - in tight with both the players and various HS coaches. Can He-Man and hired this dude, he knows it all. [name calling removed]
 
If getting rid of the Eyes means we can hold everyone in the football program accountable this year, then I'm for it. No eyes, no wins = time to burn down the program and start over.
 
theiioftx said:
Roll call band members who want to perform The Eyes. Those that don't should be immediately removed from the band. Seems pretty easy to me.

Brennan Eagles will be remembered as one player who destroyed not only a football program, but also a University. Congrats Brennan. That should work well on your resume.
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Brenna Eagles was just the one who vocalized it. Our problem is our administration, Our president and perhaps even our BOR. Eagles will indeed go down in infamy but our issues are at the top. Taking statues down in the middle of the night, renaming buildings with about 15 minutes of thought, making the university so hostile to any conservative speech....This is not just a few students, it is now endemic to how our university is run....it is the leadership at the top. Abbott needs to think long and hard about the type of people he appoints to the BOR in the future.
 
Besides not playing it, not sure how much more you can get rid of it that what they're doing.

Players run off the field from it, like bright light chasing bugs back under the cabinet. Volleyball players hide their faces from it, lest like the sight of Medusa, it turn them into stone.

The AD had to practically drag the coach to it, like a mad father at a shogun wedding. The band holds a poll about it and is able to sit out playing, like a wedding singer looking through various requests.

By this time next year, it'll be completely gone, replaced with the Sing Along with the Team Time, brought to you by the corporate sponsor of the week.
 
LonghornDave said:
If we give in on I've been Working on The Railroad, they'll come after The Wabash Cannonball and Peace Train.
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This is correct. Each time you let the leftist define & redefine what they perceive as racist, you give them tacit approval to go in search of the next thing they can dismantle. Just draw the line in the sand now. Tell them to F off. and start anew.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Abbott needs to think long and hard about the type of people he appoints to the BOR in the future.
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Saber would be the one to tell you all the ins and out of the Texas BOR. In general though, accountability boards for various institutions are like Boards of Directors for a company. They rubber stamp anything the organization wants. The Boards are not a leadership group that tells the organization what to do - they're a fig leaf to claim that the organization is accountable to something else, while it's really not.

Often it's politically connected donors and others who get on these boards, and use them to try to get their own C student kids accepted into the school.

Any board member who actually treats the job seriously, and tried to provide oversight, like the guy did while Perry was Gov, pointing out crooked dealings with the law department and Powell, is slandered in the press though leaks to compliant media types, eager for a story about how some meanie is interfering with the sacred institution of higher education.

All this isn't to say that a BOR should not provide oversight, just that there's a big body of work that would be required for that to happen, one that is rarely achieved.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Taking statues down in the middle of the night, renaming buildings with about 15 minutes of thought, making the university so hostile to any conservative speech..
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That was all on Fenves, a Berzerkley reject, who couldn't make a living as an engineer because no one would hire him. Ultra liberal with chips on his shoulder about his height, and using his heritage as a shield. The little bastard started this. Look at his "distinguished committee" who advised him to take the statues down in the middle of the night. NOT ONE person had affiliation with The University, much less attended or graduated from it. Cost a lot of money to get rid of him, but looks like it will cost even more to get rid of his remnants.

Outplacement is a great thing, and I think Hartzell understands that.
 
Jacob Johnson said:
That song is mimicking a song that was used for slaves and was used by a known racist in the past. How can anyone tell African American athletes that they shouldn't care or be offended when it's origin comes from racist background.
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It should be stated for the record that, though it may offend our senses today, slavery was very much a part of life for many cultures, people groups and nations in days gone by. To cast our modern day, perhaps more enlightened views, arrogantly on past events and people and judge them from a scope in time within which they didnt live (or have the viewpoint advantages of) is unfair and also shows a gross misunderstanding of the realities of those times. Applying the word racist with its modern day implications to men who lived 150+ years ago in a time when things were very different is just patently wrong. Most of those men would be no more "racist" than you or I today....and you could very well have been in their shoes then. That is the problem with all of this "woke" stuff. It is hyper driven by emotion and leaves little room for context, critical analysis, or prior historical perspective.
No, I most certainly do not think there has been anything occurring at The University of Texas for 100 years now that should make any player or student uncomfortable with regards to race, and to take a few obscure facts (and they are inarguably obscure.. How do I know? Because virtually no one knew these things until now) from over 100 years ago about this song and make it this kind of an issue seems misguided, immature, counterproductive, and demonstrates a lack of emotional intelligence.
Furthermore, for people living in 2020 to vilify apparently decent men of 150+ years ago for things that were quite common and part of culture at the time....is, frankly, very shallow.
 
Rain,

I think the "woke" part of the band should come and play the Harvard school song.

What the hell does "woke" mean anyway?
 
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