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OUBubba said:
He did NOT distance himself from that crowd. The fact that the white nationalists think he's a white nationalist is telling. He's empowered the whole movement.
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Yes, he did. You didn't read the transcript of the press conference. You took Jim Acosta's characterization of it and deemed it truthful. To be fair, I did too. And then I read what was actually said.
 
Planet K in Bee Caves, Texas has a "Persist" and "Revolution" sign out front. Been there a long time.
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Does it say "Revolution"? Or does it say "rEVOLution" or something like that, where "love" is highlighted in the middle? That what it used to say and that is a Ron Paul thing.
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Pretty sure it's just spelled normally.
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OK so I drove thru there this morning. It says "Persist" on one side, and "Resist" on the other side. Those words are on the top. At the bottom, it says "Revolution" but the "evol" in the word is written backwards (so it says "love") which was a Ron Paul thing.

All that went out the window for me, tho, when I saw the "Bernie Sanders 2020" banners on the wall. They've gone full commie.
 
LongestHorn said:
White supremacy groups organized and attended the rally. Who were the fine people POTUS was referring to? The peaceful racists, Spencer and Kessler?
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So it’s agreed that Trump wasn’t referring to the white supremacists, but “other” people. Now you are attempting to dodge the original issue by asking who these people are. I take that as a win. Also, how do you know who was there? To answer your question, they were apparently locals as well as out of town folks who showed up to defend the statues not knowing it was a racist rally. They said it wasn’t clear from the posters, etc that it had anything to do with white supremacy.
 
LongestHorn said:
QUESTION:(inaudible) started this (inaudible) Charlottesville. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest…

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TRUMP:Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.You had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me -- I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
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Fine people attended the rally. That context, Mr. Deez?
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How about extending the transcript one or two more lines where Trump said it he wasn’t referring to the nazi’s and he condemns them totally? Stop being dishonest.
 
OUBubba said:
The good people should have gone to their F-150 and swung by Cracker Barrel on the way home once they saw the white power crowd. The good people saw the news from Friday night (I did) of the young white nationalists with their fresh haircuts and their tiki torches chanting blood and soil and jews will not replace us. It would be like going to a longhorn road game and you're staying in the team hotel. You walk by the ball room and you see A&M Midnight Yell at the Fort Worth Stockyards — Fortworth Stockyards an aggie Friday night yell practice starting up and you re-think your hotel choice.
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Regardless of what you said, people including Jews attended the rally on Saturday for their own reasons. They said it was not obvious to them what was going on. Sorry your virtue signaling does not comport with reality.
 
OUBubba said:
Islamic terrorism is the Cincinatti/Fresno State of threats to you and me. White nationalism is the Penn State/Florida/LSU of threats to you and me. We're much more likely to die in the hail of gunfire from a disaffected 21 year old who's been radicalized by QAnon than by some Islamic group. DHS told us that a decade ago and the right lost it. Turns out they were right. The election of a black president did more to spurn the growth of white nationalism than anyone would have thought. Hell, it's becoming mainstream now.
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Which side started identity politics?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Yep. I bought that narrative for awhile. Then I read the transcript. It's horse ****.
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Not really. He drew a moral equivalence between white supremacists and those standing next to them and those protesting them. In the wake of a white supremacist mowing down a crowd with his car Trump had the chance to unequivocally say this wasn't right. His speechwriters had given him the speech doing just that and Trump could help himself from going off script and giving an out to those standing next to White Supremacists. As a progressive, if I attended a rally and saw people that I didn't want to be associated with standing next to me, I'd leave. Assume there were animal rights activists throwing red paint on people or anarchists at a WTO rally. If I stood by and didn't try to correct their behavior than I shouldn't be surprised if I became linked to them.

This is the problem. Much of the right, most importantly Trump, wants to stand by and claim this element isn't part of the party while every chance it gets to distance itself it fails.
 
mchammer said:
To answer your question, they were apparently locals as well as out of town folks who showed up to defend the statues not knowing it was a racist rally. They said it wasn’t clear from the posters, etc that it had anything to do with white supremacy.
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LongestHorn said:
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You think you are smart but you are not. Take the bottom poster (this one has been commented on by those who attended - I don’t know about the top one). People who attended had no idea what the names of the speakers signified. When asked about the eagles, they saw nothing wrong with it. Again, Jews attended this rally not knowing the reason. The NYT interviewed a “fine person” who didn’t know the purpose of the rally. Finally, Trump stated his assumption that he believed fine people were there. By arguing whether that was true or not, you are effectively admitting that Trump wasn’t referring to white supremacists.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Not really. He drew a moral equivalence between white supremacists and those standing next to them and those protesting them. In the wake of a white supremacist mowing down a crowd with his car Trump had the chance to unequivocally say this wasn't right. His speechwriters had given him the speech doing just that and Trump could help himself from going off script and giving an out to those standing next to White Supremacists. As a progressive, if I attended a rally and saw people that I didn't want to be associated with standing next to me, I'd leave. Assume there were animal rights activists throwing red paint on people or anarchists at a WTO rally. If I stood by and didn't try to correct their behavior than I shouldn't be surprised if I became linked to them.

This is the problem. Much of the right, most importantly Trump, wants to stand by and claim this element isn't part of the party while every chance it gets to distance itself it fails.
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Apparently you don’t read very well. THERE WERE PEOPLE ATTENDING THE RALLY ASSUMING IT WAS ABOUT THE STATUES, NOT WHITE SUPREMACY. You don’t get to wish it away because of your TDS and confirmation bias.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Not really. He drew a moral equivalence between white supremacists and those standing next to them and those protesting them. In the wake of a white supremacist mowing down a crowd with his car Trump had the chance to unequivocally say this wasn't right. His speechwriters had given him the speech doing just that and Trump could help himself from going off script and giving an out to those standing next to White Supremacists. As a progressive, if I attended a rally and saw people that I didn't want to be associated with standing next to me, I'd leave. Assume there were animal rights activists throwing red paint on people or anarchists at a WTO rally. If I stood by and didn't try to correct their behavior than I shouldn't be surprised if I became linked to them.
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I read the transcript of his statement. He condemned the neo-Nazis unequivocally. What he acknowledged is that there were people who both opposed the removal of the statue and supported the removal who were fine people and didn't cause trouble. He wasn't referring to the neo-Nazis or the Antifa people.

What pisses off the media is that he didn't give Antifa and others like them a pass. He condemned them as well, and the media deemed that as equivocating on his condemnation of the neo-Nazis. That's a false premise.

If you want to argue that the "fine people" should have left when things got ugly, that's a fair point. They probably should have. Some probably did. Some probably didn't and should have.

And again, if I had been involved in this, I would have been on the side of removing the statue. Obviously, I wouldn't have hung out with Antifa, but I would have been one of the "fine people" on the side of taking it down.

Seattle Husker said:
This is the problem. Much of the right, most importantly Trump, wants to stand by and claim this element isn't part of the party while every chance it gets to distance itself it fails.
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This is because no degree of distancing is going to be enough for the party's political adversaries, because they benefit from the narrative. If he condemns neo-Nazis, they'll say he's not condemning them fast enough, strongly enough, etc. They're in a lose-lose situation.
 
On "The Five" just now they were doing a story about the Yankees GM being pulled over at gunpoint for some reason. In trying to make a point about how people should never be at gunpoint from the police, Juan Williams said, "...if he was a minority, people would be flipping out."

Exactly, Juan. Exactly. Whether or not people should be placed at gunpoint, CNN and MSNBC et al would go nuts over the racist police.
 
mchammer said:
You think you are smart but you are not. Take the bottom poster (this one has been commented on by those who attended - I don’t know about the top one). People who attended had no idea what the names of the speakers signified. When asked about the eagles, they saw nothing wrong with it. Again, Jews attended this rally not knowing the reason. The NYT interviewed a “fine person” who didn’t know the purpose of the rally. Finally, Trump stated his assumption that he believed fine people were there. By arguing whether that was true or not, you are effectively admitting that Trump wasn’t referring to white supremacists.
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No one believes you. Jews did not attend. That’s a lie. I’m the first person to question the intelligence of any supporter on the right dumb enough to show up on Friday night. But how long was it before the chants of “Jews will not replace us” began? Check the timeline.

But please share a link to back up your BS.

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