Death toll in Texas elementary school; 18 children, 2 adults killed

During the first account it was said the vids showed the door open.
Now they are saying it shows door closed.
No one knows..
I hope for her peace of mind it closed
But then the question is why would an inside self locking door not lock? That is a horrible coincidence.
It all is getting muddled. Needs good investigation and cooperation
 
Mr. Deez said:
By the way, no judgment for wondering. Believe me, I had those same thoughts when my brother died of heart failure five years ago. God raised Lazarus from the dead, but he let my brother (who was a devout follower of Christ) die fully awake and in agony in a Dallas hospital bed while still a young man (only 47). It seemed unfair to me, but after much (yes) thought and prayer, I eventually understood the answer. It's hard to accept, but there is a reason.
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I'm in the same boat with a dead brother in his late 40s from a medical condition. I think you answered it wonderfully in the other post.

Mr. Deez said:
It depends on what "compromise" means. If it means raising the age to buy a gun, maybe. If it means broad bans, hell no.
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There's plenty of room to compromise here on either side and only look stupid to the extremists on your side.
 
Horn6721 said:
During the first account it was said the vids showed the door open.
Now they are saying it shows door closed.
No one knows..
I hope for her peace of mind it closed
But then the question is why would an inside self locking door not lock? That is a horrible coincidence.
It all is getting muddled. Needs good investigation and cooperation
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Horn6721 said:
During the first account it was said the vids showed the door open.
Now they are saying it shows door closed.
No one knows..
I hope for her peace of mind it closed
But then the question is why would an inside self locking door not lock? That is a horrible coincidence.
It all is getting muddled. Needs good investigation and cooperation
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If the videos show it being propped open, don't the same videos show it being shut? Also, the article says this teacher told 911 he's shooting. I can't believe the school didn't enter active shooter protocol at that point where every teacher shuts their classroom room, locks it, turns off lights, and gets the kids as quiet as possible and away from windows. It's like the building needs a handle to pull next to the fire alarm to warn the whole building of shooters.
 
Apparently Uvalde ISD contracted with a company called Social Sentinel who was supposed to monitor studentsetc social media posts and alert the school of problems
Many other schools in Texas also use this company
This is disturbing on so many levels including the obvious failure
 
Mr. Deez said:
Coach, there's no reason to be jealous. I didn't come to know by being intelligent but by being submissive. It wasn't easy. First, I submitted to the fact that God's standards of justice and fairness are not necessarily mine and accepted that mine are inferior. I think that is where people struggle the most. It's very hard especially for an adult accept something like that.

Think about the Lord's Prayer that you say. Does it ask that nothing bad happens (as we see it)? No, it asks that God's will be done. Resignation to that will is inherent to the prayer.

Second, I looked at things that happen to us in God's context rather than my own. To us, this life is everything, because we're here in the moment. God's context is eternal, so to him, this life is a vapor - here one minute, gone the next and inconsequential compared to eternity. It matters to him, because it's our chance to accept Christ and serve his will, but whether we live 30 years or 90 years is pretty insignificant to him. My brother suffered terribly, but he's now spending eternity praising God with his grandparents and other loved ones who went before. As horrific as his earthly suffering was, it pales massively compared to his current and eternal joy.

Finally, I looked at God's example and realized that he practices what he preaches and doesn't resent our struggle with accepting his will even if he expects us to ultimately do so. You cite the "help my unbelief" passage, and it's noteworthy. However, I think it's also important to remember Jesus's example of one suffering horrifically unjustly. That was the ultimate act of something bad happening to a good person in furtherance of God's will, and like us, he struggled to accept it in the Garden of Gethsemane. But he ultimately did, and if he can, so should we.
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I love the human side of Jesus. He had his struggles as well. I loved (what some reference as heretic) The Last Temptation of Christ. [spoiler alert]It showed a future where Jesus got off the cross and did the human thing and had a family and grew old but then had such regret and was able to go back to being on the cross.

Good stuff you grumpy arse. :)
 
Horn6721 said:
Apparently Uvalde ISD contracted with a company called Social Sentinel who was supposed to monitor studentsetc social media posts and alert the school of problems
Many other schools in Texas also use this company
This is disturbing on so many levels including the obvious failure
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IMO, the whole "monitor social media" approach is a wild goose chase. The probability that you are going to catch something like this for the right kid, at the right time is incredibly low. typically it will be a semi-private thread and only the friends will know about it. This particular approach steals money/resources from things that actually work like man-traps etc. I work for a global bank and we pay people lots of money to do this and it has never turned up anything of use.
 
BOSD
Several schools had already terminated their contracts for that reason. Nothing useful was reported.
In this case the shooter did post on Instagram a pic of his 2 new weapons.
I wonder how much Uvalde paid?
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
IMO, the whole "monitor social media" approach is a wild goose chase. The probability that you are going to catch something like this for the right kid, at the right time is incredibly low. typically it will be a semi-private thread and only the friends will know about it. This particular approach steals money/resources from things that actually work like man-traps etc. I work for a global bank and we pay people lots of money to do this and it has never turned up anything of use.
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Yeah, really...

Do we really want the Principals and Vice-Principals reading a bunch of personal posts about how Jeannie kissed Bobby behind the gym, how Billy thinks he's such a bada$$ driving his new sports car LOL, what color dress Diane is getting for the prom, and how Annie is "such a tramp"...
 
Chop
Agree
Don't even teens have expectation of not being monitored on social media without consent?
And in this case legal or not this company failed
 
OUBubba said:
I love the human side of Jesus. He had his struggles as well. I loved (what some reference as heretic) The Last Temptation of Christ. [spoiler alert]It showed a future where Jesus got off the cross and did the human thing and had a family and grew old but then had such regret and was able to go back to being on the cross.

Good stuff you grumpy arse. :)
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When I was a kid, that movie was demonized from the pulpit of our church and many others, and I didn't see it. Then about 15 years later, I saw my dad (who was an associate pastor at that church) watching it on TV in the living room. I was shocked. It went like this.

"Daddy, how can you watch this? Isn't it blasphemous?"

[Sigh] "No. Your childhood pastor and many others overreacted to this movie. I'll admit some parts aren't easy to watch and that it has major scriptural problems. However, the point of the movie is that Jesus faced the same temptations we all do and had the same anxieties and fears that we all would have if in the same situation, and that is true. In fact, to be an adequate sacrifice for sin, he had to face those things. Besides, the acting and script are outstanding, and the music is great."
 
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Chop said:
Yeah, really...

Do we really want the Principals and Vice-Principals reading a bunch of personal posts about how Jeannie kissed Bobby behind the gym, how Billy thinks he's such a bada$$ driving his new sports car LOL, what color dress Diane is getting for the prom, and how Annie is "such a tramp"...
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You have it wrong...Diane is posting about what color the dress will look like on the floor while also asking how difficult it is to reattach the price tags and other labels so she can return it...while driving Billy's car to run over Bobby for letting her date kiss him. To which Annie will retort with a question asking why people think SHE is the tramp...

Meanwhile, Billy will be captured on video asking "whys my rights being readin'?"
 
Congress moved pretty quickly to “harden” the Capitol Building. Another example of why nobody thinks they are in favor of anything but themselves.
 
New video shows Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos holding bag of dead cats

More info on Ramos being what some might describe as an 'all around bad guy...'

Bright red flags all over the place folks...

Ramos grinning as he holds up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.
"The shooter was known for hurting cats," said David Trevino Jr.
"He liked hurting animals," Trevino said. "I’m told he killed the cats and carried around the bag of bodies for s–ts and giggles.
One classmate said Ramos had a tendency to be "violent towards women" and was described by an ex-girlfriend as "scary."
The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.
 
Well, the Last Temptation of Christ was still blasphemous. Getting off the cross would have been a sin against the will of the Father. But to your point it did illustrate the fact that he did go through every human temptation. But without sin.

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things aswe are, yet without sin.
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It's also good for pastors to watch controversial things like that movie to understand what it was saying. Only then can a pastor explain what it was saying, what it got wrong, and what true things were still there.
 
That is so sick. killing innocent animals
even sicker is killing innocent humans
Gee I wonder how the AI monitoring company missed that
 
Monahorns said:
Well, the Last Temptation of Christ was still blasphemous. Getting off the cross would have been a sin against the will of the Father. But to your point it did illustrate the fact that he did go through every human temptation. But without sin.



It's also good for pastors to watch controversial things like that movie to understand what it was saying. Only then can a pastor explain what it was saying, what it got wrong, and what true things were still there.
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Is it blasphemous if the movie acknowledges that it's fictional and not a based on the gospels? The purpose was to present the spiritual conflict, not to present a biblically accurate telling of what happened.
 
Not sure what tweet
But Calif SB 1273 did pass the Senate and would end requirement of reporting students who make threats.
Surely it won't pass the Ca House
 
Chop said:
New video shows Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos holding bag of dead cats

More info on Ramos being what some might describe as an 'all around bad guy...'

Bright red flags all over the place folks...

Ramos grinning as he holds up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.
"The shooter was known for hurting cats," said David Trevino Jr.
"He liked hurting animals," Trevino said. "I’m told he killed the cats and carried around the bag of bodies for s–ts and giggles.
One classmate said Ramos had a tendency to be "violent towards women" and was described by an ex-girlfriend as "scary."
The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.
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Wasn't it Ann Richards who significantly reduced funding for the mentally ill facilities in Texas causing most of the facilities to have to close? This A-hole would have been a perfect candidate to be locked up there if they still existed.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
Wasn't it Ann Richards who significantly reduced funding for the mentally ill facilities in Texas causing most of the facilities to have to close? This A-hole would have been a perfect candidate to be locked up there if they still existed.
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Not sure about that, but she was at the heart of the unfunded mandates for treatment programming in the State Jail system when the Penal Code was revised to create the State Jail Felony (and made Burglary of a Vehicle a Class A misdemeanor).

Beds in the State hospitals are scarce...it is not uncommon to see people who SHOULD go from, for example, HCPC to Rusk or Vernon instead get released after their 72 hours are up.
 
guy4321 said:
If that becomes law, Californians are still going to wonder why violence happens at California schools.
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The answer will always be that they didn't go far enough. Case in point look at Canada. They already had heavy restrictions on gun purchases but still felt the need to ban handguns. Leftists are very good at incrementalism.
 
OUBubba said:
As Gov. Abbott places shooting blame on mental health, what has Texas done to address it?
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I think that is a fair question, but I honestly don't know what else to do about it. These sort of "rage" incidents are not like regular mental health IMO. I often think about soldier suicide the same way. The military has been trying to address that issue for two decades now and service members have access to mental health care. It is very, very, very hard to identify this sort of thing unless their peers/parents/teachers identify them and most of us are reluctant to point a finger. I think most are willing to lend a hand if asked but pointing at your buddy and telling authorities "this guy needs help" is hard. We all feel like we are throwing them under the bus.
 
Bubba
Interesting question.
I don't know of any incidents of people here needing and wanting mental treatment who were denied it and went on to commit heinous acts
As BOSD points out families and friends do not want to throw someone under the bus
A good example of that is Hunter Biden. Do you think lack of resources is his/their problem?
 
View Chart - K-12 School Shooting Database

Here is a good website with lots of data analytics. It's clear that the 1994 Assault weapons ban had no statistically significant influence on the number of school shootings. The Left has done their best to rewrite history but the data speaks for itself. Anyone who has read the details of the bill understands that it was fairly silly to start with.

An assault weapon was defined as the following:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and has two or more of the following:
  • Folding or telescoping stock
  • Pistol grip
  • Bayonet mount
  • Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
  • Grenade launcher
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So I could have a grenade launcher that doesn't have a pistol grip or a bayonet mount, and it would not qualify as an assault weapon. Does any rational person really believe this toothless bill reduced school shootings?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Is it blasphemous if the movie acknowledges that it's fictional and not a based on the gospels? The purpose was to present the spiritual conflict, not to present a biblically accurate telling of what happened.
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That puts it in a bit better light. A kind of What If? story.

But still, it introduces ideas that are blasphemous, but now with a cover for deceiving people, "oh it's just fiction." It could be very confusing to some people who are not able to separate the disclaimer from the narrative.

I guess the bottom line is, does it present Jesus as a sinner? If not, then I can begrudgingly agree with you. If so, I'm sorry the disclaimer isn't enough. There are other ways to visualizing the struggle of temptation.
 
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