Boyer' open letter to Kaepernick

[ShAArk92]

kiss my grits

BWAHAHAHA.

Flo. The ORIGINAL. THX for the memory.

 

[OUBubba]

If sports is the primary program viewed, why not?

This is another example of false analysis ... and in fact it seems to have more credibility than that for which you'd give credit ... hello cord cutting!

You guys would have to lose your Faux News as well.

 

[Seattle Husker]

It was not alleged that ESPN could be dumped a la carte. Although that day is almost upon us. Something ESPN is keenly aware of.

It was alleged that part of the cord cutting generally was due to a choice to dump ESPN. And part of that was due to ESPN's decision to regularly force politics into sports.

Who "cuts the cord" to protest ESPN? Yes, there may be some r/t_d consumers that drive all their decisions with a political lens but that's the rare exception when compared the larger cable consumer. Why are people core cutting? We are all getting tired of paying exhorbitant monthly bills for hundreds of channels that we could care less about. My bill (with internet and VOIP) with Comcast was $250/month before I cut it. I couldn't realistically cut it down much. They wanted to charge me for DVR's perpetually rather than letting me purchase the equipment. They wanted to perpetually charge me for a modem rather than buying it outright. I saved $100 per month by upgrading my internet connection (still with Comcast unfortunately) but shifting phone service to T-Mobile ($10/month...local service), Sling and digital tuners.

Trying to attribute any significant portion of cord cutting to politics is ludicrous, just like claiming nearly all ratings and attendance declines are a result of the national anthem protest. The lions share of these changes are the results of consumer behavior changes that have been trending this way for years.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Do you really think a Trump Admin, in this environment, would approve a transfer of US uranium to Russia?

Because Trump is so tough on Russia or because of the Special Prosecutor investigation?

 

[Mr. Deez]

No kneeling at the World Series.

I think the reason you're not seeing kneeling at baseball games (though I think one guy on the A's took a knee a while back) is that there are very few black baseball players - fewer than 7 percent. (I think the NFL is more like 70 percent.) The rest are white guys and Hispanic guys (with no guilt), who aren't going to be sympathetic to kneelers. Furthermore, the black guys who play baseball are less "ghetto" than those who play football and basketball. They're suburban blacks who likely came from 2-parents homes, and that's a game changer. What's a bit ironic is that baseball is most dominant in liberal areas like the Northeast and West Coast, while football tends to dominate in the more conservative south and midwest.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Below is the memory that always stuck in my head. i dont know if you ever watched the funeral/memorial for Paul Wellsone? Disgusting political spectacle while the body was still warm. I may remember it more because Wellstone was one of my best friend's profs at Carleton -- he was always adamant Wellstone was his best prof ever.

I remember this, and it was pretty cheap. Frankly, it was very "un-Wellstone-like." He was very liberal, but he wasn't a cheap partisan. In fact, I never heard a negative thing about him as a human being.

And for some reason, his son's tirade always reminded me of this.

 

[I35]

Papa John's Pizza sales are way down for the 3rd quarter and the Owner is blaming the NFL leadership.....and rightly so.

 

[Garmel]

Papa John's Pizza sales are way down for the 3rd quarter and the Owner is blaming the NFL leadership.....and rightly so.

The gang here needs to tell him that it's because of cord cutting. *snicker*

 

[OUBubba]

The gang here needs to tell him that it's because of cord cutting. *snicker*

I expect that their ad revenue in the $/ad will drop in the future. Sponsorships will likely go down. That would be attributable to the kneeling. That rubber hasn't met the road yet.

Funniest thing I saw on the twitter was the "who knew that the liberals would get football and the Boy Scouts in the divorce?"

 

[Seattle Husker]

The gang here needs to tell him that it's because of cord cutting. *snicker*

Whatever you need to float your boat.

It's worth noting that Papa John's blames the sales dropoff on NFL problems, but the anthem protests didn't start until after President Trump's speech on Sept. 22 and the quarter in question ended Sept. 24. That's not to say that the NFL didn't have other problems, like declining TV ratings.

 

[Garmel]

Whatever you need to float your boat.

That's why i know they're full of ****. The protests started before Trump's speech, not after.

 

[Seattle Husker]

That's why i know they're full of ****. The protests started before Trump's speech, not after.

Collin Kaepernick/Eric Reid were powerful. They (plus 1-2 others last year and a few more this year) were responsible for killing Papa John's sales. That's your claim?

Only after Trump's speech did this blowup with entire teams kneeling down. Before that there was <10 players kneeling.

 

[Garmel]

Collin Kaepernick/Eric Reid were powerful. They (plus 1-2 others) were responsible for killing Papa John's sales. That's your claim?

The protests started last year and it was more than those two. https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/...nfl-colin-kaepernick-protests-national-anthem

 

[Joe Fan]

,,,, To quote Flo, you can kiss my grits if you don't like where I'm responding to you.

Nobody likes it

 

[ShAArk92]

Only after Trump's speech did this blowup with entire teams kneeling down.

Yeah, they really showed Trump, didn't they?

big Pizza sponsor ... POOF. To go with the 25% drop in ratings ... and falling.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The protests last year and it was more than those two. https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/...nfl-colin-kaepernick-protests-national-anthem

Wait...you're including raised fists and women's soccer in the list? Nine players kneeled for at least one game and only 4 did so for the course of the season. Adding in the raised fists and you'd double your numbers and even most of those only did so for a limited time.

That's what's laughable about this sordid ordeal. The "protest" was dying out until that 9/22 speech by Trump. Like most things he touches, he's had the opposite effect of what he and his supporters purport to want, players standing for the anthem.

With Kaepernick no longer in the NFL, it was Bennett (and Reid?) as the only people protesting before DJT's speech. Yes, I'm excluding Lynch in that list because he literally has sat on the bench or an exercise bike during the anthem for virtually his entire career.

 

[Joe Fan]

No kneeling at the World Series.

Last night was blowout ratings too
If only the right team had won ....

".... Going into the 39th time the best of seven match-up has gone all the way to a final game, last night’s Game 6 scored a 15.1/26 in metered market results for Fox. That’s the best this year’s Fall Classic has done in the early numbers and the best any Game 6 has done since 2009.

That’s also up 18% from October 29’s Sunday Night Football beating Game 5 when the Astros took the lead in the 2017 Series. With the pressure on for both top notch teams, that Game 5 ended up with a 5.3/17 rating among adults 18-49 and 18.94 million viewers to a stumbling SNF’s 4.8/15 in the key demo and total audience of 13.86 million....."
​

http://deadline.com/2017/11/dodgers...gs-rise-astros-mlb-fox-this-is-us-1202199065/

 

[Seattle Husker]

Yeah, they really showed Trump, didn't they?

big Pizza sponsor ... POOF. To go with the 25% drop in ratings ... and falling.

If you don't consider the $$$ loss, DJT certainly helped elevate their cause.

 

[ShAArk92]

The "protest" was dying out until that 9/22 speech by Trump.

You keep saying that ... doesn't make it true.

No doubt Trump's remarks fanned the flames ... but the flames were already there and steadily growing. Trump didn't cause this ... Kapo and Company did.

Stay focused. We can denigrate Trump elsewhere. That the protest drew the attention of anyone in government demonstrates it was already out of hand.

 

[Joe Fan]

I think the reason you're not seeing kneeling at baseball games (though I think one guy on the A's took a knee a while back) is that there are very few black baseball players - fewer than 7 percent. (I think the NFL is more like 70 percent.) .....

Or, maybe MLB and its owners are smarter than the NFL and its patchwork of whacky owners?

 

[ShAArk92]

If you don't consider the $$$ loss,

Clearly the sponsors are getting fragged in the ratings drop. Your argument seeks to pin the blame on Trump, when it's the protestors and NFL management who are culpable.

 

[Joe Fan]

....Maybe I got my wires crossed?

What age do you suppose that occurred?

When I was about 24 and stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh. .....

Is that really what you meant to admit?
I think I may be beginning to love you as a representative of the left even though I originally suspected you were a fake account.

 

[Garmel]

Wait...you're including raised fists and women's soccer in the list? Nine players kneeled for at least one game and only 4 did so for the course of the season. Adding in the raised fists and you'd double your numbers and even most of those only did so for a limited time.

That's what's laughable about this sordid ordeal. The "protest" was dying out until that 9/22 speech by Trump. Like most things he touches, he's had the opposite effect of what he and his supporters purport to want, players standing for the anthem.

With Kaepernick no longer in the NFL, it was Bennett (and Reid?) as the only people protesting before DJT's speech. Yes, I'm excluding Lynch in that list because he literally has sat on the bench or an exercise bike during the anthem for virtually his entire career.

You'll notice that list on the site only covers Sept. 2016, right? First you try to tell me that the protests didn't happen until after Trump, then I corrected you. After I corrected you you came with "yeah, but only two people protested". After I corrected you again then you come up with "it's less than 10 people". Spin, spin, spin. If it's that important to you I could dig up Oct-Dec of that year so you can come back with more spin. This is the kind of ******** from you is why people block you.

 

[Joe Fan]

.... This is the kind of ******** from you is why people block you.

 

[OUBubba]

Is that really what you meant to admit?
I think I may be beginning to love you as a representative of the left even though I originally suspected you were a fake account.

I still don’t know what you are talking about with the thread issue. The WiFi here in St. Petersburg is spotty. I’m 50. I listened to Limbaugh and some late night AM conservative talk during grad school while commuting. I stopped that ish.

The kneeling issue was going away until the president needed a distraction to rile up the rubes. 10 players did it the weekend before he spoke of I remember correctly from a Peter Kong column. You guys obliged him in a Pavlovian manner. He really could gun down someone on 5th Avenue and no one would give two poops.

 

[ShAArk92]

https://www.thewildcard.com/nfl-jus...tm_content=2017-11-01&utm_campaign=manualpost

 

[Joe Fan]

I still don’t know what you are talking about with the thread issue. The WiFi here in St. Petersburg is spotty. ...

Aha -- I concede you actually made me LOL Bubba
There is already a thread, even two threads, on Uranium One
No need to drag it into a third thread

 

[Joe Fan]

You need to unblock him and read the exchange we just had. Unbelievable.

eh

 

[Mr. Deez]

The kneeling issue was going away until the president needed a distraction to rile up the rubes. 10 players did it the weekend before he spoke of I remember correctly from a Peter Kong column.

And this is why I say this is about cock size more than about protesting the anthem. The protests were on the decline and almost a non-story, but that wasn't enough. They needed to stop in response to Trump to reinforce his significance.

As I said earlier, it was a smart political move for Trump. It polarized the issue with him on the side of the flag and the anthem and a bunch of liberals and wealthy but perceived as thuggish (sometimes accurately and sometimes not) black dudes on the side of opposing it. Which side is going to play well in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania? The pro-anthem side. Where does the anti-anthem side play well? Big cities on the coasts and no where else - in other words, a bunch of places where Trump never had a chance to win and doesn't need to win.

 

[Seattle Husker]

You'll notice that list on the site only covers Sept. 2016, right? First you try to tell me that the protests didn't happen until after Trump, then I corrected you. After I corrected you you came with "yeah, but only two people protested". After I corrected you again then you come up with "it's less than 10 people". Spin, spin, spin. If it's that important to you I could dig up Oct-Dec of that year so you can come back with more spin. This is the kind of ******** from you is why people block you.

I was editing my post while you are posting. Notice the 1 minute timestamp difference. I didn't know the exact number which is why I updated it to <10. Of course, only the kneelers were considered, not those standing while holding a hand in the air. In hindsight, my <10 was pretty close when looking only at the kneelers.

Only covers Sept. 2016? Have you read the dates/descriptions? From your link:

2016
Sept. 1, 2016

• Kaepernick is joined by Eric Reid, who would kneel the remainder of the season
• Seahawks CB Jeremy Lane sits during the national anthem

Sept. 4, 2016

• Megan Rapinoe of the National Women’s Soccer League kneels during the national anthem

Sept. 8, 2016

• Broncos LB Brandon Marshall takes a knee during NFL season opener

Sept. 11, 2016

• Four Dolphins: Arian Foster, Michael Thomas, Kenny Stills, and Jelani Jenkins took a knee during the national anthem. Jenkins stood for the rest of the season, while the other three remained kneeling.
• Chiefs CB Marcus Peters raises a fist during the national anthem
• Patriots TE Martellus Bennett and DB Devin McCourty raise fists after the national anthem

Sept. 12, 2016

• 49ers LB Eli Harold and S Antoine Bethea stand with fists raised in the air
• Rams DE Robert Quinn and WR Kenny Britt stand for anthem with fists in the air

Sept. 18, 2016

• 49ers S Jaquiski Tartt and CB Rashard Robinson join Bethea and Harold in raising fists during the anthem. Harold later joined Kaepernick on a knee, while Tartt and Bethea stopped raising a fist in November.

Sept. 19, 2016

• Eagles S Malcolm Jenkins, DE Steven Means, CB Ron Brooks, and DE Marcus Smith raise a fist during the national anthem (Jenkins and Brooks did so during the duration of the season)

Sept. 22, 2016

• Texans OT Duane Brown raises a fist during the national anthem

2017
Aug. 12, 2017

• Raiders RB Marshawn Lynch sits for anthem after coming out of retirement

Aug. 13, 2017

• Seahawks DE Michael Bennett sits during the national anthem (announced he would sit all season)

More protests were demonstrated during Week 3 of the 2017 season after Trump said NFL owners needed to fire the “sons of *******” who “disrespected the flag.” The protests below happened after those statements.

Sept. 24, 2017

• Jaguars and Ravens players kneel in London. A total of 14 players for the Jaguars kneeled including Leonard Fournette, Jalen Ramsey, and Calais Campbell. At least a dozen kneeled on the Ravens sideline, including LB Terrell Suggs.
• A total of 32 Denver Broncos players kneel during the anthem, including LB Brandon Marshall, RB Jamaal Charles, WR Demaryius Thomas, and LB Von Miller. TE Virgil Green and LB Shaquil Barrett stood with raised fists.
• At least eight Bills players kneeled while linking arms, including DT Marcell Dareus and WR Jordan Matthews. RB LeSean McCoy ignored the anthem altogether and continued to stretch while it played.
• At least 20 Browns players kneel during the anthem while linking arms, including DE Myles Garrett, LB Christian Kirksey, and S Jabrill Peppers.
• A total of 18 Patriots players kneel during the anthem while linking arms, including CB Malcolm Butler, WR Brandin Cooks, and CB Stephon Gilmore.
• Eagles S Malcolm Jenkins, WR Torrey Smith, and WR Marcus Johnson raise fists during the anthem.
• Falcons DTs Grady Jarrett and Dontari Poe kneel during the anthem.
• A total of eight Lions players kneel during the anthem, including DT A’Shawn Robinson, RB Ameer Abdullah, and DT Akeem Spence.
• Saints WR Brandon Coleman, Titans WR Rishard Matthews, and Giants WR Odell Beckham Jr. raise fists after touchdowns.
• Packers TE Martellus Bennett, CB Kevin King, and TE Lance Kendricks sit during the anthem. Four days later all three stood for a Thursday Night Football game.
• Six Chargers players kneel or sit during the anthem, including LB Melvin Ingram.
• Chiefs TE Travis Kelce took a knee during the anthem, the most prominent white player to do so. Other Chiefs players sit during the anthem and CB Marcus Peters raised a fist.
• Bengals DE Chris Smith raised a fist after a sack vs. Green Bay.
• Seven Washington players kneel during the anthem, including WRs Jamison Crowder and Josh Doctson.
• Nearly the entire Oakland Raiders team links arms and sits during the anthem, including DE Khalil Mack, S Reggie Nelson, and CB Sean Smith.
• At least 10 Colts players kneeled, including S Darius Butler.