2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

Pete and Amy both bow out and throw their support to Joe. Sounds like a "Stop Bernie at any cost" action to me.

Personally, I hope Bernie has the nomination sewed up before the convention. If he's the Dem nominee, Trump will win in a landslide - and the Congress will go back to the GOP. Nobody can seriously support an avowed socialist - and he'll be a drag on the Dem ticket that will take down some marginal Dem Congressmen with him.
 
Many out there in the liberal media are suggesting that Warren should come to terms with Biden and drop out. These folks do not seem to realize how understandably hesitant she must be to sign a treaty with anyone.
 
Someone sent me this Queen vid, Another one bites the dust for Amy.
Of course apropos
but the greatness is there and the look on the dude's face at 3;10 is
well not that there is anything wrong with that
 
Mr. Deez said:
Pete does have political chops, but lots of people have political chops. Everybody who ever made it to a debate stage had political chops. They were US senators, members of Congress, Governors, etc. You don't get to those levels without a lot of political chops.

Pete was to able to raise a lot of awareness and attention (and money) from being gay and therefore different, intersectional, and "historical." Had he just been another straight white dude who was well-spoken, he wouldn't have gotten where he did. In fact, you would have no idea who he was.

He tried to do the same thing Obama did in 2008. Had he been a white dude, would he have beaten Hillary Clinton? Hell no. First, he almost surely wouldn't have run. Second, if he had, she would have whipped his ***, because most of those millennials would have stayed home and because black voters would have voted for Hillary. She would have been slugging it out with John Edwards instead, and she would have beaten him too (mostly because she was a woman).
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Joe Walsh talking points or do you have the political science to back it up?
 
LongestHorn said:
Joe Walsh talking points or do you have the political science to back it up?
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That's like asking if I have science to back up the contention that water is wet. It's pretty obvious stuff. But like I mentioned to bystander, it feels much better to deny or question it if you're a supporter of Buttigieg or Obama.

And don't get the wrong idea. I'm not suggesting that Mayor Pete sucks or that there's nothing more to him than the fact that he likes having sex with men. Ideology aside, the good things you think of him are true. He is smart. He is well-spoken. He seems like a nice and generally decent and sincere guy. I'd say the same things about Obama. My point is that those aren't what make him remarkable as a candidate. Most of the candidates who ran share those characteristics with him as do countless others who chose not to run.
 
I would argue water isn’t obviously wet in freezings temperatures and you would readily agree. And Pete is a boring moderate Wall Street *****, to which you may also agree.

But political scientists have studied the racial salience of the 2008 election and published those for folks to read.

After reviewing evidence of racial bias in voter attitudes and behavior, they conclude that, in a racially blind society, Obama would likely have achieved a landslide.
 
LongestHorn said:
I would argue water isn’t obviously wet in freezings temperatures and you would readily agree. And Pete is a boring moderate Wall Street *****, to which you may also agree.

But political scientists have studied the racial salience of the 2008 election and published those for folks to read.

After reviewing evidence of racial bias in voter attitudes and behavior, they conclude that, in a racially blind society, Obama would likely have achieved a landslide.
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Based on over 50+years of detailed research, I conclude he would have lost.
 
LongestHorn said:
I would argue water isn’t obviously wet in freezings temperatures and you would readily agree. And Pete is a boring moderate Wall Street *****, to which you may also agree.
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I don't think he's boring at all. Is he a Wall Street *****? Of course. All Democratic nominees of the last several decades have been Wall Street *******. They would have los
if they weren't. There's a lot of money and votes in being a Wall Street *****.

LongestHorn said:
But political scientists have studied the racial salience of the 2008 election and published those for folks to read.

After reviewing evidence of racial bias in voter attitudes and behavior, they conclude that, in a racially blind society, Obama would likely have achieved a landslide.
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I'm not going to defer to political "scientists" for two reasons. First, you haven't identified anything specific, so I can't read and scrutinize the methodology. Second, politics isn't a science. It's more of an art and having your finger on the pulse of the electorate. There's a reason why political consultants can make a lot of money, while the so-called "scientists" do not. And frankly, my record on political outcomes is better than most political scientists'. They're smart in the academic arena, or more accurately, they can put on a façade of smartness in the academic arena. They're not very smart in the real world, though there are exceptions.

And not to swing my junk around too much, but I made a nice living being able to read people's instincts and preferences and learning to appeal to them. And I got paid based on results rather than credentialism. So in short, the political "scientists" (the "arts and crafts" majors, as my Constitutional Law professor called them) can lick my balls all day long.
 
Biden says he'll tap BETO to be his gun control czar if elected! That does two things; proves Biden is senile and guarantees he won't win Texas.
 
Clean said:
Biden says he'll tap BETO to be his gun control czar if elected! That does two things; proves Biden is senile and guarantees he won't win Texas.
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He will not win anything in the south. Some days I think the democrats want to lose.
 
Here is a solution for Bernie and the student loan crisis.
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theiioftx said:
Pretty sure all four of those states like their guns too. In AZ, you can carry without a permit.
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They like their guns, but Obama carried 3 out of 4 of them twice. So the issue obviously doesn't override everything. The hope with Biden is that he'll rebuild that coalition.
 
Mr. Deez said:
1. Colleges and universities spend too much money, which requires them to charge exorbitant tuition.

2. Stop doing that.
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Agreed, the institutions are a big reason for the problem and those willing to pay those exorbitant costs don't help the cause.

Still...it doesn't absolve the individual from repaying what they agreed to repay. Plus, nobody forced them to go to college and take a loan to pay for it.

Life is all about choices and living with said choices.
 
militaryhorn said:
Agreed, the institutions are a big reason for the problem and those willing to pay those exorbitant costs don't help the cause.

Still...it doesn't absolve the individual from repaying what they agreed to repay. Plus, nobody forced them to go to college and take a loan to pay for it.

Life is all about choices and living with said choices.
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I agree with this in be principle. However, the "educational industrial complex" has done everything it can to make the choice as difficult as possible. First, we generally don't teach a marketable skill in high school, so for most kids, it's either college or the night shift at Mickey-D's, and high school counselors and teachers tell kids that college is a must. The bottom line is that we've made students extremely dependent on college for economic success. They don't feel like they have much of a choice.

Second, we've created Pell Grants and student loan programs that wildly distort a student's ability to pay. They effectively create a third-party payer with a lot of resources (similar to health insurance). The universities exploit that racket to the fullest by jacking up tuition.

The point is that students should repay their debts, but there's more to the story. It's not an open-and-shut case. The colleges and universities are running a racket, and the federal government and high schools are helping them do it.
 
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MrD
speaking to Obama taking those states even with open carry
" the issue obviously doesn't override everything"
The second amendment was not the big issue then.Obama did not run on more gun control.
 
I totally agree with our high schools not teaching a marketable skill, trade skill. There are crane operators pulling in over $100,000 a year. Also they need to start back up teaching civics.
 
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