Venezuelan Update (Florida Maquis)

[Musburger1]

1992: Venezuela became the 3rd riches country in the Western Hemisphere.

Yes, but the poverty rate was around 80%, the ideal environment for social unrest, especially considering the natural resources within the country.

2009: socialist banned private ownership of guns

There is a militia, separate and apart from the military, of over 1.4 million of well armed civilians.

2016: Food Shortage becomes widespread

Tell the rest of the story. Private businesses began hoarding food and supplies and Colombians backed by CIA funding began buying up supplies, taking it across the border into Colombia and selling into the black market. Simultaneously, the US and Gulf allies glutted the oil market in order to weaken oil exporting opponents (Russia, Iran, Venezuela). Obama declared Venezuela a threat to national security, and sanctions were imposed. In short, the US waged financial war.

2019: Venezuelans Massacred by their own government, civil war begins.

This is total fabrication.

 

[I35]

This is total fabrication.

I’m not going to respond to your gibberish “but”

I will stay what you call “fabricated” has cost Venezuelan lives. Everyone saw the video of the Government vehicles plowing over the protesters.

Just look what has transpired from 1992 to 2019. It’s crazy what socialism does to countries. If I had one word I could use to describe socialism I’d use the word CANCER.

 

[Musburger1]

I’m not going to respond to your gibberish “but”

I will stay what you call “fabricated” has cost Venezuelan lives. Everyone saw the video of the Government vehicles plowing over the protesters.

Just look what has transpired from 1992 to 2019. It’s crazy what socialism does to countries. If I had one word I could use to describe socialism I’d use the word CANCER.

Socialism May or may not be the optimal form of government. But it wasn’t socialism that destroyed Iraq, Syria, Libya, and any number of countries in the sight of Washington DC. The imperial, lawless warfare aimed at subjugating and confiscating resources is what brought massive death and impoverishment. Ignorant fools like
you can’t possible accept that.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Socialism May or may not be the optimal form of government. But it wasn’t socialism that destroyed Iraq, Syria, Libya, and any number of countries in the sight of Washington DC. The imperial, lawless warfare aimed at subjugating and confiscating resources is what brought massive death and impoverishment. Ignorant fools like
you can’t possible accept that.

 

[Musburger1]

 

[Musburger1]

She gets it.

 

[I35]

Socialism May or may not be the optimal form of government. But it wasn’t socialism that destroyed Iraq, Syria, Libya, and any number of countries in the sight of Washington DC. The imperial, lawless warfare aimed at subjugating and confiscating resources is what brought massive death and impoverishment. Ignorant fools like me can’t possible accept that.

I had to fix that for you. The US is the last country you should be blaming. Iraq, Syria, and Libya all had dictators that would gas and kill their own people. Saddam had a giant shredding machine that could chew up refrigerators. He would put men in there to kill people he thought he couldn’t trust and made their families watch. Did America cause him to do that? How about people they thought were gay that would tie their hands behind their back and throw them off of 5 story buildings. I actually seen a video and I regret it because it’s hard to get that image out of my head. But was that the US governments fault? How about them gassing their own people. Is that the US Governments fault? YOU can’t defend that!!! It’s just amazing how your view is that everything is America’s fault.

 

[Musburger1]

I had to fix that for you. The US is the last country you should be blaming. Iraq, Syria, and Libya all had dictators that would gas and kill their own people. Saddam had a giant shredding machine that could chew up refrigerators. He would put men in there to kill people he thought he couldn’t trust and made their families watch. Did America cause him to do that? How about people they thought were gay that would tie their hands behind their back and throw them off of 5 story buildings. I actually seen a video and I regret it because it’s hard to get that image out of my head. But was that the US governments fault? How about them gassing their own people. Is that the US Governments fault? YOU can’t defend that!!! It’s just amazing how your view is that everything is America’s fault.

The allegations against Ghadafi and Assad are blatant lies.

Saddam did murder many hundreds if not thousands of Iraqi citizens. We murdered tens of thousands and made tens of thousands more refugees. And tens of thousands more joined ISIS in revenge. You are a complete idiot.

 

[Monahorns]

Some people put the Iraqi civilian death toll in the hundreds of thousands, like 500,000. And US foreign policy created ISIS out of Al Qaeda. The US isn't guilty for what a dictator did, but our government is guilty of many things they have done directly. Like fail to tell Saudi Arabia it is bad to starve poor people to death who happen to be Shia and not Sunni. In that case US Gov isn't guilty for Saudi's actions but do have some responsibility to tell Saudis to stop and quit funding the military that is doing the starving.

Not sure how that relates to Venezuela though. The US military always has a "humanitarian" reason for interventions abroad. But you don't send in an army for humanitarian aid and you don't start a war without simple, clear goals and Congressional approval.

 

[Musburger1]

Some people put the Iraqi civilian death toll in the hundreds of thousands, like 500,000. And US foreign policy created ISIS out of Al Qaeda. The US isn't guilty for what a dictator did, but our government is guilty of many things they have done directly. Like fail to tell Saudi Arabia it is bad to starve poor people to death who happen to be Shia and not Sunni. In that case US Gov isn't guilty for Saudi's actions but do have some responsibility to tell Saudis to stop and quit funding the military that is doing the starving.

Not sure how that relates to Venezuela though. The US military always has a "humanitarian" reason for interventions abroad. But you don't send in an army for humanitarian aid and you don't start a war without simple, clear goals and Congressional approval.

Good points, but the US doesn’t solely wage war militarily. Sanctions may have killed as many people as bombs, and have been used as weapons as well.

The dollar is king and the rest of the world is dependent on financial institutions controlled by the US. In fact, the US has ditched diplomacy as the primary tool of influencing allies and foes alike, and turned to sanctions and economic threats as the focus of the State Department. The attack on the Turkish Lira, threats to sanction the UK over doing business with China’s tech company Haiwei are two examples.

And just like the colonists stood up against Britain, the Venezuelan’s are standing against their oppressor in Washington DC.

 

[Monahorns]

I am not a big fan of sanctions, but I disagree that investment from the US is the only way for a country to have a stable economy and feed its people. Claims like that don't hold up to scrutiny. Venezuela has enough natural resources to do much better than they are even with little to no trade. People at least would not starve.

 

[Musburger1]

I am not a big fan of sanctions, but I disagree that investment from the US is the only way for a country to have a stable economy and feed its people. Claims like that don't hold up to scrutiny. Venezuela has enough natural resources to do much better than they are even with little to no trade. People at least would not starve.

Outside investment is part and parcel to free markets. Sanctions are threats/warnings to outside investors. The US wants to invest in Venezuela but doesn’t want anyone else too.

China has been flooded with outside investment. This has fueled the growth of its economy. Lots of countries and businesses want to invest in Russia too, but the US threatens them. Trump wants outside investment to come to the US. He bragged when Foxxcon announced expanding to the US and would be a major employer. Fox con has since backtracked.

 

[Monahorns]

Outside investment is a good thing and it accelerates economic growth. I agree. I don't agree that it is a necessary thing to have an economy that is stable enough to feed people.

 

[Musburger1]

Outside investment is a good thing and it accelerates economic growth. I agree. I don't agree that it is a necessary thing to have an economy that is stable enough to feed people.

True, but with some caveats. If you have a commune oriented society, for example the frontier settlements of the 1800’s or in the case of Venezuela, the rural areas outside of Caracas that grow their own food and aren’t as dependent on the monetary system and the central government, you can survive sustainably, but you aren’t going to see “growth.” The same can be said of the native Americans (Indians) who were self-sufficient.

But when your goals are growth and wealth, the requirement is to have access to energy and investment. That’s largely what the world has become. Venezuela has opted to become part of the “growth” scene and it made economic sense to concentrate on energy. When the US and Saudis glutted the oil market and the US cut off investment, the model imploded. The morale of the story - acquire nukes or else you are likely to have the US kick your *** and steal your assets.

 

[iatrogenic]

Maybe Venezuela could go back to the "non-growth scene" and be poor again. Or, they could kick out a corrupt dictator like 50+ other countries suggest, and only the backward, corrupt countries of Russia, Cuba and Iran support.

After Maduro is gone, we can go back to "stealing" their resources again by paying market rate just as before.

 

[Musburger1]

Maybe Venezuela could go back to the "non-growth scene" and be poor again. Or, they could kick out a corrupt dictator like 50+ other countries suggest, and only the backward, corrupt countries of Russia, Cuba and Iran support.

After Maduro is gone, we can go back to "stealing" their resources again by paying market rate just as before.

After we bomb the crap out of their infrastructure, we can chose a puppet, maybe name him the Shah of Venezuela, and back him with a brutal police force just like we tried to do in Iran when we stole their oil. Everyone will love that.

 

[Musburger1]

Colonel Wilkerson on Venezuelan military.

 

[iatrogenic]

After we bomb the crap out of their infrastructure, we can chose a puppet, maybe name him the Shah of Venezuela, and back him with a brutal police force just like we tried to do in Iran when we stole their oil. Everyone will love that.

Exactly how much oil did we steal?

 

[Musburger1]

Rick Scott - The other criminal senator from Florida.

 

[iatrogenic]

Come on Mus, give us the stolen oil facts. Otherwise, people might start believing you're full of it.

 

[Musburger1]

Come on Mus, give us the stolen oil facts. Otherwise, people might start believing you're full of it.

It’s classified. I can’t tell you.

 

[iatrogenic]

It's classified as a myth, which explains your inability to provide facts.

 

[Musburger1]

Monsanto wants to get their hands into Venezuela.
How GMO Seeds and Monsanto/Bayer’s “RoundUp” are Driving US Policy in Venezuela

 

[iatrogenic]

So a German company is driving U.S. foreign policy in Venezuela. Who would have thunk it!

 

[Musburger1]

Ten years of planning?

 

[Musburger1]

“Socialism always fails.” Learn why it failed in Venezuela.
#TrumpUnblockVenezuela: A Timeline of US Sanctions, Violations Against Venezuela

 

[Musburger1]

Summation of DC failure and a salute to the heroes and truth tellers.

 

[Musburger1]

The handywork of the US government in action.

 

[iatrogenic]

Making furriners carry blue barrels has been our strategy for many years, Mus.

 

[Musburger1]

Watch Brazil.