Venezuelan Update (Florida Maquis)

Musberger has spent years defending Maduro (and Yugo Chavez)
How will he explain himself now that even Mother Russia is throwing in the towel?
Since he usually auto-adopts the position of the Russian Govt, will he reverse course and abandon Mauduro too (just when Maduro needs him most)?
Or will Musberger stick to his principles (yes, I make that assumption) and continue to defend Maduro? He does still defend the Yugo even after death. Will he hang in the same with Maduro the same?

I will disclose my suspicion in advance -- It is that he has no choice but to fall in line behind official Russian propaganda. Totalitarian Govt's, like Russia's, not only do not encourage individual thought, they dont even allow it. Where does Musberger fall on this spectrum? We will see.

Here is an article on the latest from VZ - aptly named "The Rats Are Abandoning The Ship"
‘The rats are abandoning the ship’: Lawmaker says Maduro losing Russian support

“The Russians are backing out because they’re not getting paid,” he said. “That Russian withdrawal is because they don’t see Maduro as viable. They don’t see the regime as viable.”​
 
Joe Fan said:
Musberger has spent years defending Maduro (and Yugo Chavez)
How will he explain himself now that even Mother Russia is throwing in the towel?
Since he usually auto-adopts the position of the Russian Govt, will he reverse course and abandon Mauduro too (just when Maduro needs him most)?
Or will Musberger stick to his principles (yes, I make that assumption) and continue to defend Maduro? He does still defend the Yugo even after death. Will he hang in the same with Maduro the same?

I will disclose my suspicion in advance -- It is that he has no choice but to fall in line behind official Russian propaganda. Totalitarian Govt's, like Russia's, not only do not encourage individual thought, they dont even allow it. Where does Musberger fall on this spectrum? We will see.

Here is an article on the latest from VZ - aptly named "The Rats Are Abandoning The Ship"
‘The rats are abandoning the ship’: Lawmaker says Maduro losing Russian support

“The Russians are backing out because they’re not getting paid,” he said. “That Russian withdrawal is because they don’t see Maduro as viable. They don’t see the regime as viable.”​
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Joe, the story was pure propaganda. The Russian company got paid, completed the training as contracted, and left. Russia is all in economically. They are going nowhere. The US wants to have it both ways. First the US says Russia needs to get out (they were never their other than an advising and training role), now they say they have abandoned Venezuela. If the US is now saying Russia is out, then why does the US continue to intervene? It isn't because our government gives a rats *** about starving children. In fact, trying to starve out the population is the primary tactic employed by the US to achieve regime change.

 
Joe Fan said:
Musberger has spent years defending Maduro (and Yugo Chavez)
How will he explain himself now that even Mother Russia is throwing in the towel?
Since he usually auto-adopts the position of the Russian Govt, will he reverse course and abandon Mauduro too (just when Maduro needs him most)?
Or will Musberger stick to his principles (yes, I make that assumption) and continue to defend Maduro? He does still defend the Yugo even after death. Will he hang in the same with Maduro the same?

I will disclose my suspicion in advance -- It is that he has no choice but to fall in line behind official Russian propaganda. Totalitarian Govt's, like Russia's, not only do not encourage individual thought, they dont even allow it. Where does Musberger fall on this spectrum? We will see.

Here is an article on the latest from VZ - aptly named "The Rats Are Abandoning The Ship"
‘The rats are abandoning the ship’: Lawmaker says Maduro losing Russian support

“The Russians are backing out because they’re not getting paid,” he said. “That Russian withdrawal is because they don’t see Maduro as viable. They don’t see the regime as viable.”​
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PUTIN DEFENDS MADURO: Trump had it wrong, Russia may send more military specialists to Venezuela - Fort Russ
 
So were they a Russian company, or military specialists as Putin states? Your lies are hard to follow.
 
Mus?
When did Trump announce blockade on Venezuela?
The last report I knew about ,Last Thursday, said only that he was considering it.
When was it announced?
 
Horn6721 said:
Mus?
When did Trump announce blockade on Venezuela?
The last report I knew about ,Last Thursday, said only that he was considering it.
When was it announced?
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From the article:

"Venezuela denounces before the world that a boat that holds 25 thousand tons of Soya, for food production in our country, has been seized in the Panama Canal, due to the criminal blockade imposed by Donald Trump," the vice president said in a tweet.

"Venezuela calls on the UN to stop this serious aggression by DonaldTrump's govt against our country, which constitutes a massive violation of the human rights of the entire Venezuelan people, by attempting to impede their right to food."

In a subsequent tweet, the Venezuelan senior official explained that the owner of the vessel carrying the merchandise of food was informed by the insurance company that it was prevented from moving that cargo to Venezuela.

The shipment seizure comes just days after Trump signed an executive order Monday that imposes a near-total blockade on government assets in that country, which includes an embargo against food suppliers, among other basic inputs. This is the first time in 30 years that Washington has taken such an action against a sovereign country.
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An actual blockade would be a military (naval) action. The Venezuelan official called this a blockade, but it wasn't in the technical sense. The US isn't going to implement an actual blockade unless they actually invade the country.

What apparently happened here, is that the US sanctioned or threatened companies that insure tankers that would do business with and deliver goods to Venezuela. In other words, the US is using its financial might to achieve the same effect as a blockade withheld placing naval vessels at risk. Its just another bullying tactic in the attempt to bring about hardship to the population in the hopes that the citizenry will become discontent and rebellious and bring about regime change. To be effective policy, the US has to couple this with propaganda. Thus far, the propoganda has only worked on convincing the US citizenship that Maduro is the sole cause of shortages, but in Venezueala the US propaganda isn't working because the population has been educated enough to realize the US is pulling the strings.

Its apparent that with North Korea, Russia, China, Iran, and Venezuela, the US is using the military as a threat, but the real weapons are financial and propaganda. The US cannot afford to lose the support of its own citizens by actually committing the military to another war that results in US casualties. So instead, we get a long, drawn out conflict where attrition (who gets financially wiped out first) determines the outcome.
 
Mus
Is that the only proof you have?
Funny when I searched for news Trump actually put the blockade in place nothing comes up. But there are news reports of Trump placing an economic embargo except for allowing humanitarian aid and federal govt biz.
Not quite the same thing.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mus
Is that the only proof you have?
Funny when I searched for news Trump actually put the blockade in place nothing comes up. But there are news reports of Trump placing an economic embargo except for allowing humanitarian aid and federal govt biz.
Not quite the same thing.
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Are you totally illiterate? Did you even read my reply? Good grief. Why do I even bother to post anything.
Musburger1 said:
An actual blockade would be a military (naval) action. The Venezuelan official called this a blockade, but it wasn't in the technical sense. The US isn't going to implement an actual blockade unless they actually invade the country.
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Mus
Since you knew it was not a blockade and the embargo exempted humanitarian aid why would you think that link is credible?
 
Horn6721 said:
Mus
Since you knew it was not a blockade and the embargo exempted humanitarian aid why would you think that link is credible?
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The report was from Telesur. They are no less credible than CBS, Fox, or MSNBC. The article simply reported the facts.
1. The ship was halted at the Panamanian Canal.
2. The Venezuelan official initially labeled it a blockade.
3. The official later tweeted the actual dynamic; the ships owner ordered the ship to stop because the insurance company informed him they had been prevented.

You most likely aren’t going to see a major western news source report on this for obvious reasons. Telsur is not the National Enquirer. Venezuela will complain to the UN. When they do, RT and some non-western news companies will report on it. You’ll probably never know.
 
Informative interview. The interviewee is not pro-Maduro, but gives a fair analysis.

0:00 -2:00 minutes - Bolton outlines the thuggish police (work with us or we'll sanction your ***).

2:00 - 5:00 - The interviewee (he previously consulted for an opposition party in Venezuela) discusses what the sanctions have done, freezing of Venezuelan assets, etc. Points out the US will target India with indirect threats to Indian companies in order to limit where Venezuela can export oil.

5:00 - 8:00 Discusses the reported seizure of the food shipment and also how the sanctions on oil are able to hinder humanitarian shipments by eliminating the revenue necessary to purchase food and medicine.

8:00 to end Discusses sanctions effect on economy and population and then the impediments to a political solution.

 
Driving in this morning, I heard Hugh Hewitt say something like; Venezuela is getting to the point where Trump needs to go in and do something. Per Hewitt, Maduro is starving his people and death squads are killing political opposition.

Either we fix it down there or half the population will be up here for "temporary" sanctuary and we all know how that goes.
 
The US military has a good history of "fixing" problems in Latin America. Or wait, is that "creating" problems in Latin America.

I mean after 17 years Afghanistan is now a good liberal democracy, right?

I like how the US military always says they are starting wars for humanitarian reasons.
 
Monahorns said:
The US military has a good history of "fixing" problems in Latin America. Or wait, is that "creating" problems in Latin America.

I mean after 17 years Afghanistan is now a good liberal democracy, right?

Help me out. We went to Afghanistan to create a good liberal democracy? I don't remember that reasoning.

I like how the US military always says they are starting wars for humanitarian reasons.
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Joe Fan said:
Venezuelan President Is Charged in the U.S. With Drug Trafficking

"President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela was charged in the United States on Thursday with federal drug trafficking crimes after an investigation by federal authorities in Washington, New York and Florida,..."​
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This is the kind of thing that infuriates me. How millions of dupes can't see through this, especially after Iraq WMD, Syrian chemical attacks, etc., and evaluate it for what it is is amazing.

1. Colombia sits right next door to Venezuela. Columbia is the epicenter of political corruption and the drug trade. Are their sanctions against it people and companies that deal with the Colombian government? Hell no. Colombia is a strategic ally that receives more US aid than any other South American country.

2. Venezuela has massive amounts of oil reserves. The US fracking industry is under great pressure and has mountains (hundreds of billions) of debt threatening its very existence with sub $30 WTI. Do you not for one minute understand the motive for a strong demonization campaign against Maduro? The whole purpose is to get the US population on board for overt US intervention if sanctions and starving out the population with such doesn't work.

3. Is the Venezuealan political/economic system a utopian paradise? Is Cuba? No, but neither should it be the business to overthrow the system and punish the population with embargoes, sanctions, threats, etc. to get our way. What we have done and continue to do is pure evil.
 
Musburger1 said:
This is the kind of thing that infuriates me. How millions of dupes can't see through this, especially after Iraq WMD, Syrian chemical attacks, etc., and evaluate it for what it is is amazing.

1. Colombia sits right next door to Venezuela. Columbia is the epicenter of political corruption and the drug trade. Are their sanctions against it people and companies that deal with the Colombian government? Hell no. Colombia is a strategic ally that receives more US aid than any other South American country.

2. Venezuela has massive amounts of oil reserves. The US fracking industry is under great pressure and has mountains (hundreds of billions) of debt threatening its very existence with sub $30 WTI. Do you not for one minute understand the motive for a strong demonization campaign against Maduro? The whole purpose is to get the US population on board for overt US intervention if sanctions and starving out the population with such doesn't work.

3. Is the Venezuealan political/economic system a utopian paradise? Is Cuba? No, but neither should it be the business to overthrow the system and punish the population with embargoes, sanctions, threats, etc. to get our way. What we have done and continue to do is pure evil.
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I dont recall saying your 'time out' was over
Dont make me call your father
 
Musburger1 said:
...2. Venezuela has massive amounts of oil reserves. ...
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I was just reading some history yesterday about currency devaluations in the 1970s, 80s and 90s. Basically, once Nixon took us off the gold standard, things got a little crazy all over the world. Most currencies were pegged back then. But, among the handful of currencies that was never pegged back then was Venezuela's. During this period, it was considered the best money in the Southern hemisphere, sort of the gold standard of South America. Did you know that?
This was a long time ago of course. Long before Hugo and Maduro destroyed it (98% devaluation, lol)
 
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Joe Fan said:
I was just reading some history yesterday about currency devaluations in the 1970s, 80s and 90s. Basically, once Nixon took us off the gold standard, things got a little crazy all over the world. Most currencies were pegged back then. But, among the handful of currencies that was never pegged was Venezuela's. During this period, it was considered the best money in the Southern hemisphere, sort of the gold standard of South America. Did you know that?
This was a long time ago of course. Long before Hugo and Maduro destroyed it.
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Venezuela was socialist in many ways long before Chavez. What Chavez did was attempt to take the profits away from privately controlled foreign companies and corrupt Venezuelan poliiticians, and share the wealth for the benefit of the population. And it worked until prices cratered. Did you know that? Basically the same thing Iran attempted to do in the early 1950s. The difference was that the US was able to eject the elected Iranian President via CIA/MI5 engineered coup and install our own dictator, the Shah, but was unable to accomplish the same with Chavez.

The US has since launched a massive sanctions and propaganda campaigns against both Iran and Venezuela, using "humanitarian or terror" designations as justifications. Naturally, no such actions and propaganda are disseminated to the public toward the Saudis or Colombians. Of course, the people who are suffering in Iran and Venezuela see the American government as the true terrorists as the US uses the dollar as a weapon to shut off all funding and punish any nation or country that wants to trade or assist these nations. In short, no nation is to have sovereignty except for the United States (and even here, personal freedom is constantly under attack).
 
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