I should think it is pretty obvious. If China takes over and nationalizes the chip plants, then we only buy them on China's terms, not on free market terms.
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Monahorns
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How is that different than the billions of dollars of imports we already buy from them? Why not show concern for everything we already purchase from China? If these chips have military applications why not do everything possible to continue peace and avoid war?
And what war is China going to start with us? Attack our West Coast? I don't see the threat to America here and therefore the justification for treating this computer chips as some sort of mcguffin. The fact is that the only thing China MAY do is take over Taiwan. In that case it is most likely China would sell the same chips to us. Better to onshore that technology. It was unbelievably stupid to ever allow their manufacture right off the coast of China.
Isn't it true that China enacted new tariffs on US goods only after Trump's administration enacted tariffs on Chinese goods?
Monahorns
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So we don't buy current Chinese imports on free market terms? I thought we bought from them because they are so cost effective.
China hasn't nationalized all the **** we buy from them, but with something as crucial as electronics? I wouldn't put it past them.
Monahorns
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Just about every company in China even US owned ones has a CCP committee in it making sure that the CCP's interests are met. They don't have to nationalize. They are more like a fascist country now than strict communist. They call it Socialism with Chinese characteristics. It is more like Mussolini than Mao.
Either way. Critical technology needs to be taken out of Taiwan ASAP. They also make all the zippers for the close you wear. Just think if China takes over Taiwan! No more zippers for you!
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VYFan
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Good read.
About the only thing that will stop the war on the Ukraine side is for NATO to commit to bringing them in only if they stop fighting and end by negotiation. That isn't in the cards so Viet Nam and Afghanistan (the Russian war) are going to pale as Russia slowly extinguishes the population of Ukraine.
Monahorns
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Talks about bringing Ukraine into NATO is what started the war. The only way forward for Ukraine is to negotiate peace, promise not to enter NATO, and give up the land they have already lost.
It sucks. It is a horrible situation for Ukraine. But it will only get worse for them if they continue down this path.
I read this week that the Ukrainian government is now trying to extradite Ukrainian men out of Poland to conscript them into the war. This path is more and more death for their young generation. Foreign NGOs don't care. They are already talking about making a lot of money off the land they are buying up now. They will bring immigrants from around the world to rebuild and produce. The threat to Ukraine has become existential from both sides.
I think Corruption Joe has laundered more than enough cash through Ukraine already.
Time to stop.
Time to stop.
Absolutely NOT
"We need to give ’em everything they need. And if this administration won’t give it to them, then I submitted that we write in our appropriations bill, we write the weapons that he [Zelensky] asked for, that this administration won’t give,” McCaul told reporters, adding that senior Democratic lawmakers agreed with his proposal"
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...l-says-of-ukraine-aid-after-zelensky-meeting/
"We need to give ’em everything they need. And if this administration won’t give it to them, then I submitted that we write in our appropriations bill, we write the weapons that he [Zelensky] asked for, that this administration won’t give,” McCaul told reporters, adding that senior Democratic lawmakers agreed with his proposal"
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...l-says-of-ukraine-aid-after-zelensky-meeting/
Monahorns
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Poland is pulling out from military support of Ukraine. Describes them as a drowning man pulling down others into the water. It is a rational view but Poland had been one of the most staunch supporters, which was also understandable based on their history. A bit surprised though.
Monahorns
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Shows that Russia is more or less content with the land bridge extending from Donbas to Crimea. They are playing defense and it looks very sustainable.
Either Russia can't or doesn't want to project power that far off their borders, but did want strategic depth and ability to supply Crimea over land. Kind of what I was saying at the start of the whole thing.
Sounds like Poland is thinking the same thing with what their leaders have said recently.
Either Russia can't or doesn't want to project power that far off their borders, but did want strategic depth and ability to supply Crimea over land. Kind of what I was saying at the start of the whole thing.
Sounds like Poland is thinking the same thing with what their leaders have said recently.
One Euro says Enough
"Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has reasserted his nation’s sovereignty, standing up to “the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America.”
“This autumn, Hungary’s opponents are expected to come forward to make their demands simultaneously,” Orbán stated in an October 3 speech in Budapest. “What the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America want from us is what we cannot — and I think do not want to — give them.”
The Biden administration “will continue to want us involved in the war: to supply arms, and to give more money to Ukraine, or at least to allow Brussels to give Ukraine our money,” he declared.
Hungary is a sovereign country. We will not become a migrant ghetto and we will not give up our right to have our own foreign and economic policy"
Hungarian P.M. Viktor Orbán: ‘We Will Not Become a Migrant Ghetto’
"Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has reasserted his nation’s sovereignty, standing up to “the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America.”
“This autumn, Hungary’s opponents are expected to come forward to make their demands simultaneously,” Orbán stated in an October 3 speech in Budapest. “What the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America want from us is what we cannot — and I think do not want to — give them.”
The Biden administration “will continue to want us involved in the war: to supply arms, and to give more money to Ukraine, or at least to allow Brussels to give Ukraine our money,” he declared.
Hungary is a sovereign country. We will not become a migrant ghetto and we will not give up our right to have our own foreign and economic policy"
Hungarian P.M. Viktor Orbán: ‘We Will Not Become a Migrant Ghetto’
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