Ukraine updates
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Ukraine now claims the captain of the sunken Mockva was killed in the missile attack. Some reports state that two Ukrainian Neptune missiles hit the Mockva.
Russia’s other surface ships are now sailing well clear of the Western Ukrainian coastal waters. An amphibious landing on the shores of Western Ukraine, and close-in naval fire support against Odessa and other Western Ukrainian coastal areas now appear to be scratched from Russia’s possibilities. This alone doesn’t win or lose the war. But it matters.
Russia’s other surface ships are now sailing well clear of the Western Ukrainian coastal waters. An amphibious landing on the shores of Western Ukraine, and close-in naval fire support against Odessa and other Western Ukrainian coastal areas now appear to be scratched from Russia’s possibilities. This alone doesn’t win or lose the war. But it matters.
Monahorns
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It's impossible. Except if the US does it for them, which would mean nuclear missiles hitting the city you live in.
Monahorns
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Not true Stat. The history between the two countries goes way before the Soviets. Big mistake.
The Russian army is acting like Russian pre-USSR. It's bad enough. But on the good side the US isn't arming them to the teeth like in WW2.
I didn’t say “realistic” I said sweet. But if not for nukes, he would already be toast. He is at odds with his own circle so might not be long before he is gone.
This Russian army is acting like the Soviet era Red Army, and it's no surprise. That's where they come from just a few short decades ago. The Soviet-era army didn't resign and Yeltsin didn't appoint all new officers and NCOs. It was the same people, installing the same tactics and culture. Should anyone really expect them to change that much?
The Red Army has been a marauding horde of rapists and thugs since its founding by Trotsky and Lenin. In college, you might have encountered a shaggy haired professor or two, who like tweed jackets and never ironed his clothes, who would claim that Trotsky was a good guy, and the USSR could have been a utopia, but it was Stalin that ruined it for everyone. I won't defend that s-o-b Stalin, but it was also Trotsky who spearheaded the vicious early days and actions of the Red Army putting down White Russia, attacking Poland, killing Ukrainians, murdering dissenters and politically "suspicious" persons (and whole villages), and raping and pillaging all along the way.
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The Russian NAVY is acting like the Czarist Navy. Russia is Japan's b!tch at sea. Not a good historical record at sea. The Russians should stick to their ground game--it needs a lot of work.
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Watch out for the next lie coming out of Pravda: it was sunk by a Finnish submarine. So Russia has no choice but to invade Finland. Or maybe it was Moldova. Or something like that…
More on the sinking of the Moskva—
Per news.com.au. Sources indicate that the ship’s radar may have been distracted by a Turkish-made Byraktar drone, allowing the Ukrainian Neptune missiles to get through…? No verification on this yet. And perhaps the missiles could have made it through with or without radar distraction…
Per news.com.au. Sources indicate that the ship’s radar may have been distracted by a Turkish-made Byraktar drone, allowing the Ukrainian Neptune missiles to get through…? No verification on this yet. And perhaps the missiles could have made it through with or without radar distraction…
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Monahorns
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Yeah, but it shows you desires. Once someone starts wanting something they pursue it. I have seen it so many times. I want this thing but it is unrealistic or I know I shouldn't. But a week later the person going full steam ahead. It's better to just stop.
Monahorns
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The point is the political ideology that motivates military action. It's different now. Communism was a global revolutionary movement. That is not what we are talking about.
The horrendous actions of war is common to all war. Armies rape, murder, and steal. All of the US allies do it too. The quibbling about Trotsky vs. Stalin is useless. Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin were all evil Communists who would murder anyone they wanted and lie about anything they wanted. They were all Communists with a global agenda.
Anybody that doesn’t prefer Russia to become Ukraine versus being one of Earth’s most dangerous threats is a sick individual.
TaylorTRoom
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The Red Army committed many atrocities marching to Berlin. They were “excused”, in large part, as a response to like crimes committed by the Nazis as Operation Barbarossa began. The Germans used the Commissar Order as the pretext for their atrocities.
The Russian Army has no excuses now. These crimes committed in their wat of aggression have no excuse.
The Russian Army has no excuses now. These crimes committed in their wat of aggression have no excuse.
Putin was not only a Communist, but an officer in the KGB. It doesn’t get much more communist than that. Denial of this fact is historical revisionism.
They’re not too late. The Orthodox Churches celebrate Easter starting NEXT Sunday, not today.
But, whenever you celebrate it (or don’t)—Happy Easter!
I see they got the model out quick now that the Moskva was reclassified by the Russian military as being in the submarine class...
Monahorns
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Sober up and make sense.
Monahorns
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No doubt. The Nazis did awful things. The Soviets did awful things. The South Vietnamese did awful things. The Ukrainians are doing awful things. The Russians are doing awful things. The Iraqis who were US allies did awful things. The Iraqis who were US opponent things. I'm not saying excuse it. I am saying don't excuse anyone for doing these things. There is lots of punishment to go around. Apply justice with impartiality.
Monahorns
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Is Putin in 2022 motivated by global Communist revolution? That is what you are asserting. Be clear.
Man up and sponsor.
If you can get Switzer to sponsor, you can get anyone to sponsor.
Putin was not only a Communist, he was KGB. That’s ingrained in his methods and who he his. While change is possible, you don’t just go from an officer in the KGB to a regular guy.
Putin apologists and the blame America first crowd is stretched out so much, they’re circus contortionists at this point.
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