Ukraine updates
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OUBubba
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I don't think FIFY is friendly. It's assholery. I have done it a few times but I've steered away from that.
PS: Wind in trailer parks are a booger.
OUBubba
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I may frame this.
Get a room.
OUBubba
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Let me bask in the afterglow, killjoy.
Facing Addiction
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Musburger1
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Musburger1
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OUBubba
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The poor guy riding his bicycle would disagree.
"It was a simple egalitarian life in the time of the Soviets." Oh, how people long for the days when the Communists ruled...
"Russia acted professionally in their attacks..."
Kramatorsk station attack: What we know so far
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ates-west-moves-ramp-pressure-putin-rcna23542
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/08/russia-ukraine-war-news-putin-live-updates/
Rockets hit busy railway station full of Ukrainians in E. Ukraine trying to evacuate to W. Ukraine. Some are saying dozens of civilians are dead, WaPo is saying at least 50 civilians are dead.
Scores of people, including children, are deadafter two rockets hit a railway station in Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region as thousands were trying to evacuate the area, Ukrainian officials said Friday.
Russia has denied carrying out the attack, with the country's defense ministry calling Ukraine's accusations a "provocation." Moscow has consistently denied targeting civilians in its attacks...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ates-west-moves-ramp-pressure-putin-rcna23542
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/08/russia-ukraine-war-news-putin-live-updates/
Rockets hit busy railway station full of Ukrainians in E. Ukraine trying to evacuate to W. Ukraine. Some are saying dozens of civilians are dead, WaPo is saying at least 50 civilians are dead.
Scores of people, including children, are deadafter two rockets hit a railway station in Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region as thousands were trying to evacuate the area, Ukrainian officials said Friday.
Russia has denied carrying out the attack, with the country's defense ministry calling Ukraine's accusations a "provocation." Moscow has consistently denied targeting civilians in its attacks...
TaylorTRoom
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The evidence in support of JCPOA is that Iran doesn’t yet have nukes. The evidence in support of Trump’s sanctions is that Iran doesn’t yet have nukes. (Honestly- I wonder if either approach has more effect than Stuxnext and Mossad assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists).
Iran has shown a willingness to bomb Israel, at all times and through all methods. They supply Hezbollah with missiles to rain into Israel. IAEA doesn’t want Iran to have nukes. Israel can’t tolerate Iran having nukes. It’s existential for them.
Is JCPOA effective? Judging from what Israel thinks about it, I doubt it.
(Btw, did you see the reports that, while negotiating Blinken, Iran tried to put a hit out on John Bolton?)
Iran has shown a willingness to bomb Israel, at all times and through all methods. They supply Hezbollah with missiles to rain into Israel. IAEA doesn’t want Iran to have nukes. Israel can’t tolerate Iran having nukes. It’s existential for them.
Is JCPOA effective? Judging from what Israel thinks about it, I doubt it.
(Btw, did you see the reports that, while negotiating Blinken, Iran tried to put a hit out on John Bolton?)
This is an issue on which everybody is wrong in part because there aren't any easy answers, and we all want there to be one. There's no reason to trust the IAEA. They aren't going to stop Iran from getting a nuke anymore than they were able to stop North Korea. If Iran wants a bomb badly enough, they're going to get one whether the IAEA or the United States, or the European Union wants them to or not. Furthermore, they have no idea what Iran is or isn't doing to develop one, because if Iran has nuclear labs, they aren't going to be stupid enough to tell anyone about it. People on the Right rip on the nuclear deal, and to a point they're right. It's rank political theater and pretty worthless, but they often act as though they would have been able to force something with a greater guarantee, and that's also rank political theater.
Only military force would actually stop them, and the West isn't going to do that and shouldn't. Might Israel and Saudi Arabia do it? Maybe, because a nuclear Iran is truly an existential threat to them in the short term, but they'd be going at it largely alone.
Would "being nice" to mullahs make the big difference in getting the Iranian people to overthrow the bad apples? I don't believe the Iranians who oppose the regime or are receptive to doing so are that dumb. They know the US is hostile to the nation because of the regime and not the other way around, and they know that if the regime was overthrown our policy would change. There's a reason why hundreds of thousands of Iranians have emigrated to the US since the fall of the Shah and are largely living well. These people aren't idiots. The regime remains in power either because the people generally support it or don't have the real power to get rid of it.
I can't think of a country in which it doesn't apply.
OUBubba
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A world where 30% of the population are the majority.
Musburger1
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There's been a shake-up in the military leadership of team Russia. Enter the new general in charge: Alexander Dvornikov. Dvornikov blasted cities like Aleppo to rubble to chalk up a W for team Russia in the Syrian war. Dvornikov was also in charge of the Southeastern portion of this war, where Russia has made some headway and had some success. From what I can gather from the articles, he ordered and oversaw the destruction of Mariupol. Commentators imply Dvornikov is more brutal, yet more competent than the boobs that have been running much of the Russian war effort thus far. So basically, they go from incompetent butchers in charge to a competent butcher in charge. The bad situation may soon get worse. Look for Dvornikov to roll in the heavy artillery, start the bombing runs, and blast more cities to rubble--that seems to be what he does best.
From the WaPo:
Dvornikov has been overseeing troops in Ukraine’s south and east. He is in the running to replace Russian Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov, said Mark Galeotti, an honorary professor at University College London who studies Russia’s armed forces. He is known as “one of the real heavy hitters of his generation,” Galeotti said.
Dvornikov was Russia’s first commander overseeing its brutal campaign in Syria, where Russian forces carried out widespread and indiscriminate bombardments of Syrian civilians, neighborhoods and hospitals in tandem with President Bashar al-Assad’s own air wars and sieges. Dvornikov was honored as a “hero of the Russian Federation” in 2016 for his work there.
Vlad: "General: Don't be such a softie like you were in Syria."
Russia appoints general with cruel history to oversee Ukraine offensive
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...eneral-alexander-dvornikov-ukraine-commander/
From the WaPo:
Dvornikov has been overseeing troops in Ukraine’s south and east. He is in the running to replace Russian Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov, said Mark Galeotti, an honorary professor at University College London who studies Russia’s armed forces. He is known as “one of the real heavy hitters of his generation,” Galeotti said.
Dvornikov was Russia’s first commander overseeing its brutal campaign in Syria, where Russian forces carried out widespread and indiscriminate bombardments of Syrian civilians, neighborhoods and hospitals in tandem with President Bashar al-Assad’s own air wars and sieges. Dvornikov was honored as a “hero of the Russian Federation” in 2016 for his work there.
Vlad: "General: Don't be such a softie like you were in Syria."
Russia appoints general with cruel history to oversee Ukraine offensive
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...eneral-alexander-dvornikov-ukraine-commander/
Donbas: Battle in east Ukraine expected to be bloody and decisive
Ukraine war in maps: Tracking the Russian invasion
Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'
The Red Army's gonna Red Army:
(so where TF are the JOs and NCOs in this picture...)
The soldiers who saved her stayed in her house for a few days. She says they would point their gun at her and ask her to give them her husband's belongings.
"When they left, I found drugs and Viagra. They would get high and they were often drunk. Most of them are killers, rapists and looters. Only a few are OK," she said.
Oksana, a neighbour, told us it had been left there by Russian soldiers who found the woman's body and buried her. "They [Russian soldiers] told me she had been raped and that her throat was either slit or stabbed, and she bled to death. They said there was a lot of blood."
"On 9 March, several soldiers of the Russian army entered the house. The husband tried to protect his wife and child. So they shot him in the yard," said Mr Nebytov.
"After that, two soldiers repeatedly raped the wife. They would leave and then come back. They returned three times to rape her. They threatened that if she resisted they would harm her little boy. To protect her child she didn't resist."
When the soldiers left, they burnt down the house and shot the family's dogs.
"About 25 girls and women aged 14 to 24 were systematically raped during the occupation in the basement of one house in Bucha. Nine of them are pregnant," she said. "Russian soldiers told them they would rape them to the point where they wouldn't want sexual contact with any man, to prevent them from having Ukrainian children."
Ukraine war in maps: Tracking the Russian invasion
Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'
The Red Army's gonna Red Army:
(so where TF are the JOs and NCOs in this picture...)
The soldiers who saved her stayed in her house for a few days. She says they would point their gun at her and ask her to give them her husband's belongings.
"When they left, I found drugs and Viagra. They would get high and they were often drunk. Most of them are killers, rapists and looters. Only a few are OK," she said.
Oksana, a neighbour, told us it had been left there by Russian soldiers who found the woman's body and buried her. "They [Russian soldiers] told me she had been raped and that her throat was either slit or stabbed, and she bled to death. They said there was a lot of blood."
"On 9 March, several soldiers of the Russian army entered the house. The husband tried to protect his wife and child. So they shot him in the yard," said Mr Nebytov.
"After that, two soldiers repeatedly raped the wife. They would leave and then come back. They returned three times to rape her. They threatened that if she resisted they would harm her little boy. To protect her child she didn't resist."
When the soldiers left, they burnt down the house and shot the family's dogs.
"About 25 girls and women aged 14 to 24 were systematically raped during the occupation in the basement of one house in Bucha. Nine of them are pregnant," she said. "Russian soldiers told them they would rape them to the point where they wouldn't want sexual contact with any man, to prevent them from having Ukrainian children."
It's disgusting, but rape during war is extremely common. During the Allied invasion of Germany, rape was very common by the US and British troops, and of course it was rampant by the Soviet troops. (It was less common by French troops, but we can speculate on why that was the case. They were probably raping dudes, and German men in the '40s probably weren't very interested in reporting that.) Basically, eastern Germany and its former territories (occupied by the Red Army) were a big rape orgy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html
Russia's Black Sea Flagship, Moskva, was hit by a Ukrainian missile, seriously damaged, and possibly sunk.
Russia’s Moskva, a flagship missile cruiser from the Black Sea fleet, was set aflame and evacuated after being hit in a Ukrainian missile attack, according to Ukrainian authorities. The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed the ship caught fire and was “seriously damaged.”
“The cruiser we believe was between 60 and 65 nautical miles south of Odesa, almost exactly due south when it experienced an explosion,” the official said, adding that they didn’t know what caused the explosion or fire. “We do believe that the ship is still battling with a fire,” the person added.
Russia's Black Sea Flagship, Moskva, was hit by a Ukrainian missile, seriously damaged, and possibly sunk.
Russia’s Moskva, a flagship missile cruiser from the Black Sea fleet, was set aflame and evacuated after being hit in a Ukrainian missile attack, according to Ukrainian authorities. The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed the ship caught fire and was “seriously damaged.”
“The cruiser we believe was between 60 and 65 nautical miles south of Odesa, almost exactly due south when it experienced an explosion,” the official said, adding that they didn’t know what caused the explosion or fire. “We do believe that the ship is still battling with a fire,” the person added.
Moskva Missile Cruiser: Ukrainian Missiles Blow Up Infamous Russian Warship that Opened Fire on Ukrainian Troops on Snake Island
The crew of the Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet's flagship, was severely injured and abandoned the ship, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. Ukrainian officials claimed that shore-based anti-ship guided missiles hit Moskva which had been operating from the Black Sea Fleet's headquarters in Sevastopol, Crimea.
Some Russian sourced reports are claiming it was not a Ukrainian missile strike that cause the ship damage, but rather a mysterious and unexplained "explosion" onboard the ship... Hmmmmmmm, could it be a "Nazi" sabateur...? Well, regardless, somebody's going to Siberia for a long, long time.
The crew of the Moskva, the Black Sea Fleet's flagship, was severely injured and abandoned the ship, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. Ukrainian officials claimed that shore-based anti-ship guided missiles hit Moskva which had been operating from the Black Sea Fleet's headquarters in Sevastopol, Crimea.
Some Russian sourced reports are claiming it was not a Ukrainian missile strike that cause the ship damage, but rather a mysterious and unexplained "explosion" onboard the ship... Hmmmmmmm, could it be a "Nazi" sabateur...? Well, regardless, somebody's going to Siberia for a long, long time.
Statalyzer
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Eh, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, claims the history of the duck as its own (re: "Well Ukraine was recently part of Russia" which only works we equate Russia with the USSR), flaps like a duck, and rapes like a duck, let's just call it a duck.
Yep - making the same mistake the left has been making in the US for a few years now, oddly enough - you can't just claim "anti-fascist!" and then have that automatically mean you're in the right for attacking someone.
I have no idea which is right, but it's not a big face-save for Russia even if their side of the story is true. "Our ships just sometimes explode as if hit by a missile even when not under fire from the enemy" isn't a exactly a great triumph to report...
The Moskva (Russian cruiser and their Black Sea Fleet's flagship) has sunk. Russia confirms.
This is a big loss for Russia (even though it's just a surface ship...
)
Russian warship Moskva has sunk - defence ministry
The 510-crew missile cruiser was a symbol of Russia's military power, leading its naval assault on Ukraine.
Kyiv says its missiles hit the warship. Moscow has not reported any attack. It says the vessel sank after a fire.
The blaze caused the explosion of the warship's ammunition, Russia says, adding that the entire crew were later evacuated to nearby Russian vessels in the Black Sea.
Ukrainian military officials said they struck the Moskva with Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles.
So now Russia's getting their asses kicked at sea by Ukrainian technology...
This is a big loss for Russia (even though it's just a surface ship...
)Russian warship Moskva has sunk - defence ministry
The 510-crew missile cruiser was a symbol of Russia's military power, leading its naval assault on Ukraine.
Kyiv says its missiles hit the warship. Moscow has not reported any attack. It says the vessel sank after a fire.
The blaze caused the explosion of the warship's ammunition, Russia says, adding that the entire crew were later evacuated to nearby Russian vessels in the Black Sea.
Ukrainian military officials said they struck the Moskva with Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles.
So now Russia's getting their asses kicked at sea by Ukrainian technology...
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