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[Chop]

Here's the deepest, and oldest, root of why they hate the West with a burning passion. They've just never gotten over it.

Sack of Constantinople - Wikipedia

"The sack of Constantinople is a major turning point in medieval history. The Crusaders' decision to attack the world's largest Christian city was unprecedented and immediately controversial. Reports of Crusader looting and brutality scandalised and horrified the Orthodox world; relations between the Catholic and Orthodox churches were catastrophically wounded for many centuries afterwards, and would not be substantially repaired until modern times."

By the way Czar means Caesar. To the Russian mind, when Rome fell and was sacked by Germanic hordes (Germanic hordes = folks they have feared for 1,000 years or more), they believe the Roman Empire continued on in the East (it did) with Constantinople as the capital and the center of the Christian world. After the sack of Constantinople by the Turks, that center of the Christian world shifted to Moscow and its ancient Orthodox patriarchy. That's how they see it.

Now, of course, none of this squares with 1917 forward. The Communists (of which Putin was a commie and long time officer in the KGB) explicitly denied God and were required to be atheists. If the Russians want to bring back the Czars, there are still living Romanovs out there...

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Tucker can ask these questions, and he should always be allowed to ask these, and any other, questions. I'm glad there are press members who push the envelope. It's called a free press.

His issue is that if he goes a little too far off the deep end with outlandish theories, people will start viewing him as some sort of kook and his ratings could decline.

He was ridiculed over his coverage of hunter Biden's laptop, and that TonyBobulinski was paid to rat out the bidens.. Roasted in fact.

But...He's been proven right... So I'll sit chilly and sees how this plays out. Tucker's track record is far better than Joy Reid, andrea Mitchell, etc.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Bubba
Great points

 

[huisache]

Now, of course, none of this squares with 1917 forward. The Communists (of which Putin was one of the biggest Commies of all--head of the KGB) explicitly denied God and were required to be atheists. If the Russians want to bring back the Czars, there are still living Romanovs out there...

when was Putin head of the KGB? Is all of the information you drop on Hornfans of a similar quality of veracity?

 

[Chop]

when was Putin head of the KGB? Is all of the information you drop on Hornfans of a similar quality of veracity?

Woah, looks like I was wrong on that point. Fixed it. It turns out he was a KGB officer then later the head of the Russian Security department. KGB agents were necessarily Communist Party members.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Now, of course, none of this squares with 1917 forward. The Communists (of which Putin was one of the biggest Commies of all--head of the KGB) explicitly denied God and were required to be atheists. If the Russians want to bring back the Czars, there are still living Romanovs out there...

Putin was in the KGB, but he wasn't the head. And I don't think he's a Czarist. I think he's a Russian nationalist. It's a little like the Nazis. They were German nationalists but didn't want to restore the Kaiser even though they could have.

 

[Chop]

Putin was in the KGB, but he wasn't the head. And I don't think he's a Czarist. I think he's a Russian nationalist. It's a little like the Nazis. They were German nationalists but didn't want to restore the Kaiser even though they could have.

Fixed the misranking of Putin in the KGB—got it. I’m not sure where he’s at wrt a Czar. I think the ROC is very much pro-Czar. Dugin—I’m not sure. And Dugin seems to be Putin’s advisor and guide or sorts.

 

[OUBubba]

Putin was in the KGB, but he wasn't the head. And I don't think he's a Czarist. I think he's a Russian nationalist. It's a little like the Nazis. They were German nationalists but didn't want to restore the Kaiser even though they could have.

He was a big dog in the KGB. He may not have been the head but he was climbing the ranks. Obvi.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Fixed the misranking of Putin in the KGB—got it. I’m not sure where he’s at wrt a Czar. I think the ROC is very much pro-Czar. Dugin—I’m not sure. And Dugin seems to be Putin’s advisor and guide or sorts.

It sorta depends on what you mean by Czarist or "pro-czar." If you mean in favor of restoring the traditional Russian royal family to the throne, I don't buy it. Neither Putin nor his closest allies would want to share power with a czar. Might they occasionally invoke the royal family to arouse Russian heritage and nationalism? Sure, but that's a far cry from wanting to restore the family. Again, the Nazis did the same thing with Kaiser but never restored him for the same reason.

If you mean that they're in favor of creating a new royal monarch with Vladimir Putin as the Czar, then perhaps. He basically acts like a czar already.

He was a big dog in the KGB. He may not have been the head but he was climbing the ranks. Obvi.

He wasn't a big dog. He was an officer, but he was in Leningrad and Dresden, and I don't think he was in charge of either facility. The big dogs were in Moscow, and the big dogs in East Germany were in East Berlin with the Stasi, which did their dirty work.

I'm not saying he deserves no blame for anything bad, but my point is that he wasn't high enough in the KGB to assume he was an ideological communist or an atheist. Keep in mind that many in the Soviet Union professed to be communists and atheists because not doing so was a career-killer, but large numbers of them were not. They were just self-serving people trying to work within a system they didn't control. Hell, I'm pretty sure Gorbachev was actually a Christian in private, and he obviously was a big dog.

 

[Chop]

Here's an interesting find -- Putin's E. German Stasi I.D. card.

STASI ID of Putin found in East German archives • Passport-collector.com

 

[Chop]

KGB - Creation and role of the KGB

"The KGB was created in 1954 to serve as the “sword and shield of the Communist Party.

...

By the end of the 1960s, the KGB had become firmly established as the Communist Party’s security watchdog. Its value as an instrument of political control was reflected in the appointment of its head, Yury Andropov, to the Politburo (1973) and his succession to the head of the party and the country in 1982. Under Andropov, the KGB recruited the “best and the brightest” members from the party establishment."

 

[Chop]

I could think of one poster who could probably tell us nearly all there is to know about the KGB...

 

[OUBubba]

I could think of one poster who could probably tell us nearly all there is to know about the KGB...

it's 6:05 PM in St. Petersberg. He's probably on his commute.

 

[Chop]

The "Butcher of Bucha".

Here's the new Super-Villain in Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine ...

The Butcher of Bucha

Lt. Col. Azatbek Omurbekov, a leader of Russia's 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade.

And Azatbek is seen in links below posing for photos with religious icons and priests. Does anyone else see the irony...?

India and Israel have now condemned the Russian atrocities. India "unequivocally condemned" Russia's actions, and Israel's foreign minister called Russia's acts "war crimes." Some of the fence-stradlers are finally jumping off the fence onto our side.

Lt. Col. Azatbek Omurbekov -- The Butcher of Bucha

 

[Chop]

Some soldiers in Russia's 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade are shown below. A few short months ago, most were probably regular guys.

Everyone should know their names! Ukrainian intelligence published the names of the Russian military who staged the #BuchaMassacre | odessa-journal.com

 

[theiioftx]

Can one of the Biden supporters explain why we haven’t implemented EVERY sanction available at this point?

And it’s time to send F-16’s and every other weapon they need to end this genocide.

 

[Monahorns]

Can one of the Biden supporters explain why we haven’t implemented EVERY sanction available at this point?

Not a Biden supporter. However, they probably want the same thing you do. Democrats and Republicans are very aligned on this issue.

The reason is because the cure would be worse than the disease. If you think food shortages, inflation, and economic collapse is a risk now. This would make it worse.

And it’s time to send F-16’s and every other weapon they need to end this genocide.

That would actually lead to more death overall. It would likely lead to nuclear war and millions dead.

The loss of life in Ukraine is super tragic. But let's not do things that would expand the geographical scope of war. That is actually the worst case scenario.

Plus, the path to ending the war has been in front of the politicians since before the war started. They have all chosen the path to war and to extend the war.

 

[theiioftx]

Putin is done. If he would launch nuclear for supplying Ukraine, he will certainly do it once he knows death or a trial is near. Better to address it now before he goes for more in the region and world. Plus, China and North Korea are watching. Time to punch the bully in the face.

 

[OUBubba]

Not a Biden supporter. However, they probably want the same thing you do. Democrats and Republicans are very aligned on this issue.

The reason is because the cure would be worse than the disease. If you think food shortages, inflation, and economic collapse is a risk now. This would make it worse.



That would actually lead to more death overall. It would likely lead to nuclear war and millions dead.

The loss of life in Ukraine is super tragic. But let's not do things that would expand the geographical scope of war. That is actually the worst case scenario.

Plus, the path to ending the war has been in front of the politicians since before the war started. They have all chosen the path to war and to extend the war.

Mark the date and time. I agree with mona here.

 

[theiioftx]

Are you also in favor of Russia negotiating for Iran to get nuclear too?

 

[OUBubba]

Are you also in favor of Russia negotiating for Iran to get nuclear too?

I'm not sure what you're talking about there. I'm in favor of the JCPOA (I think that's the acronym) that was keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear power. They are closer since Trump cancelled the agreement than they would otherwise be.

 

[theiioftx]

I'm not sure what you're talking about there. I'm in favor of the JCPOA (I think that's the acronym) that was keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear power. They are closer since Trump cancelled the agreement AND Joe Buden is POTUS than they would otherwise be.

FIFY..

The deal with Iran only delays their access IF they actually adhere to the agreement. Don't believe what the politicians and media who continue to lie to you say about it.

 

[OUBubba]

FIFY..

The deal with Iran only delays their access IF they actually adhere to the agreement. Don't believe what the politicians and media who continue to lie to you say about it.

Respectfully, don't "FIFY" on my ****. Point out where we may disagree but save the smart *** **** for *checks notes* those people. I don't want to sully your thoughts with my Okie education and you "fixing my writing" is too close to a vulcan mind meld.

 

[OUBubba]

FIFY..

The deal with Iran only delays their access IF they actually adhere to the agreement. Don't believe what the politicians and media who continue to lie to you say about it.

And: IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal | Arms Control Association

 

[theiioftx]

Iran should always be trusted. Afterall, they have a stated goal of wiping Israel and the US off the face of the Earth, so no worries. And they will do it in the name of religion with the reward of death and virgins. Jeez democrats are gullible.

 

[OUBubba]

Iran should always be trusted. Afterall, they have a stated goal of wiping Israel and the US off the face of the Earth, so no worries. And they will do it in the name of religion with the reward of death and virgins. Jeez democrats are gullible.

I'm not trusting them. I'm trusting the IAEA. There are two futures for Iran. One is led by the mullocracy and they stay the dark state that they've been since the Tehran thing. The other option is the people actually take control of the government and they become a modern state. They are close. However, the more we treat them like they are a pariah the longer those internally casting us as their enemy will stay in power. You actually sound like Benjamin Netenyahu. In his world they've been months away from having nukes since circa 1992 under George HWB.

 

[theiioftx]

Someone says hello.

 

[OUBubba]

Someone says hello.

Put a camoflauge had on that guy and it could be Si from Louisiana.

 

[Horn6721]

BIG EXCEPTION
The LA dude isn't calling for killing Jews Gays etc and Death to America in name of islam

 

[theiioftx]

Respectfully, don't "FIFY" on my ****. Point out where we may disagree but save the smart *** **** for *checks notes* those people. I don't want to sully your thoughts with my Okie education and you "fixing my writing" is too close to a vulcan mind meld.

It deserved to be corrected because the world is vulnerable because of Sleepy being in charge. Sorry if someone in the trailer park kept you up last night making you so grumpy.