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He couldn't find anyone smarter and more successful than someone he labeled a "loser" and a "choker"?

Eh...that's a term of endearment now. ;) That's the new standard for political discourse.

Here is a sampling of the insults Trump and Romney leveled at each other.

Trump and Romney's 10 harshest insults
Can Romney, who called Trump a 'fraud' and 'phony,' get the nod to be his secretary of state? Will the president-elect select a man he once dismissed as a 'stiff' who 'choked' in 2012?

By MADELINE CONWAY


11/25/16 04:21 PM EST

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Mitt Romney called Donald Trump a "fraud" and "phony" whose words and actions are "degrading" to women, and whose policies would trigger a recession, make America less safe and foster an era of "trickle-down racism."

Trump labeled Romney a "stiff" and a "catastrophe" who had "choked like a dog" when he ran for president in 2012.

Now Romney is a top contender to become Trump's secretary of state, the U.S. government's voice to the world and fourth in line of succession for the presidency — if the two men can put aside the ugly words they hurled at each other during the past year.

Trump may be willing to forgive — The New York Times says he has told aides that Romney “looks the part” — but many of the president-elect's fiercest supporters are not yet ready to forget the former Massachusetts governor's outspoken role in the "Never Trump" movement. Romney might even have to offer a public apology if he wants the job, Fox News' Ed Henry speculated Friday morning.

“Many inside the building believe in reaching out to those who worked against us but believe Romney is a bridge too far, untrustworthy and, frankly, that there are better alternatives,” a senior transition aide told POLITICO.

Here’s a look back at the insults Trump and Romney traded over the course of the campaign:

1) Romney: On Muslims, Trump 'fired before aiming'

At first, the dispute was policy-focused: Romney took to Twitter in December to attack Trump's proposal for a ban on Muslim immigration and his praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"On Muslims, @realDonaldTrump fired before aiming," Romney wrote while linking to a statement from House Speaker Paul Ryan about freedom of religion. Romney also offered an “important distinction” between Putin’s leadership and that of the United States: “[T]hug Putin kills journalists and opponents; our presidents kill terrorists and enemy combatants.”


2) Romney: Trump’s tax returns might contain a 'bombshell'

Romney grew more aggressive early this year as Trump’s lead in the Republican primaries became more clear — and he raised alarm bells over Trump's refusal to release his tax returns.

Accusing Trump of “dodging and weaving” on his taxes, Romney suggested that his reasons for doing so were less than benign.

“We’re gonna select our nominee. We really ought to see from all three of these fellas what their taxes look like to see if there’s an issue there,” Romney said on Fox News. “I think in Donald Trump’s case, it’s likely to be a bombshell.”

3) Trump: Romney's a ‘fool’ who ‘totally blew an election’

Trump, not one to take an insult without responding, dismissed Romney as a “fool” who “blew an election that should have been won” back in 2012.

“Mitt Romney,who totally blew an election that should have been won and whose tax returns made him look like a fool, is now playing tough guy,” he tweeted.

“When Mitt Romney asked me for my endorsement last time around, he was so awkward and goofy that we all should have known he could not win!” he continued.

4) Romney calls Trump a ‘fraud’

Romney took the dispute to an entirely new level in March, delivering a blistering speech in Utah denouncing Trump as a “phony” and “fraud” whose business ventures were much less successful than advertised and whose brand of foreign policy was “reckless.”

"Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University," Romney said to applause. "He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.

"His domestic policies would lead to recession," Romney continued. "His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill."

From that day on, the GOP’s former standard-bearer was a face of the conservative “Never Trump” movement.

He did not endorse an alternative candidate, however. Instead he called on Republicans to vote against Trump strategically to deny him a majority of party delegates so that they could stop him at their nominating convention.

5) Trump: Romney's a 'stiff' who begged for my support in 2012

Trump fired back the same day, mockingly recounting the way Romney had sought his endorsement in 2012.

“Why did Mitt Romney BEG me for my endorsement four years ago?” he demanded.

Phoning in to NBC’s “Today” Show, Trump also called Romney a “stiff.” To MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Trump described Romney as a “catastrophe” who was “just trying to stay relevant.”


6) Romney: Maybe I shouldn't have accepted Trump's endorsement

Asked to explain why he had accepted Trump's endorsement four years earlier, Romney suggested that he may not have had he known more about the billionaire’s views.

“Some of the things he’s said more recently would have made it difficult — particularly with regards to the Klu Klux Klan, things he’s said about Muslims in general — I’d have had a very difficult time standing next to him four years ago,” Romney said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

7) Trump: Romney ‘choked like a dog’

Trump again mocked Romney as a loser, telling an April rally in New York: "The last election should have been won, except Romney choked like a dog. He choked." Trump then grabbed at his neck, saying: “I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe.”

“Romney choked,” he repeated. “Romney can’t recover from a choke.”

8) Romney: Trump presidency would cause ‘trickle-down racism’

In June, Romney suggested to CNN that a President Trump would have a terrible cultural impact on the country because of the way his rhetoric appealed to some people's inner racism.

“I don’t want to see a president of the United State saying things which change the character of the generations of Americans that are following,” Romney said of Trump, who was by then the presumptive Republican nominee. “Presidents have an impact on the nature of our nation, and trickle down racism and trickle down bigotry and trickle down misogyny — all of these things are extraordinarily dangerous to the heart and character of America.”

Asked if he considered Trump a racist, Romney added: “I think his comments time and again appeal to the racist tendency that exists in some people and I think that's dangerous.”

9) Trump doubles down on ‘choked'

“Mitt Romney had his chance to beat a failed president but he choked like a dog," Trump said on Twitter. "Now he calls me racist-but I am least racist person there is.”

10) Romney 'offended and dismayed' by 'Access Hollywood' video

Romney, like many other Republicans, expressed disgust with the 2005 videotape that surfaced in October in which Trump bragged that he could get away with groping women because of his celebrity. The tape showed Trump guilty of "offensive conduct" as well as words, Romney said at a rally in Las Vegas, where he said he was speaking on behalf of "myself and my party."

"I was offended and dismayed by what was said and done by Mr. Trump," he said. "I think it's degrading to our women, to our daughters, our granddaughters, to future generations."

Romney never endorsed Trump in the general election.
 
He couldn't find anyone smarter and more successful than someone he labeled a "loser" and a "choker"?
You're caught up in politics. That's 2012
mindset. Trump is approaching his administration as a business. He's not asking him to run for President. He's asking him to run the State Department.

I wonder when liberals will realize every instinct they've had for the last 4 years is completely wrong.
 
I wonder when liberals will realize every instinct they've had for the last 4 years is completely wrong.
LMAO. I'm about as right wing as they come.

My instinct about Trump has been pretty damn correct. I didn't believe most of his rhetoric during the campaign and he has pretty much confirmed my thinking.
 
You're caught up in politics. That's 2012
mindset. Trump is approaching his administration as a business. He's not asking him to run for President. He's asking him to run the State Department.

What does that mean? That has been said a fair amount but nobody has elucidated how "approaching his administration as a business" is different than traditional governing. In fact, it's beginning to look pretty traditional in terms of the appointments with Goldman Sachs in the catbirds seat.
 
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What does that mean? That has been said a fair amount but nobody has elucidated how "approaching his administration as a business" is different than traditional governing. In fact, it's beginning to look pretty traditional in terms of the appointments with Goldman Sachs in the catbirds seat.
The only deal Kerry has ever closed before becoming Sec of State was marrying Teresa Heinz. Romney has actually ran complex businesses, organizations, and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

I don't know much about Mnuchin other than he was a global fixed income markets wunderkid and CIO at Goldman, had enough of it and then produced American Sniper. Jack Lew hasn't done anything as comparable or as badass. The only thing he's known for is pushing Alexander Hamilton off the $10 bill.

Is there something specific you know about in Mnuchin's time at Goldman that troubles you?
 
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The only deal Kerry has ever closed before becoming Sec of State was marrying Teresa Heinz. Romney has actually ran complex businesses, organizations, and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Really? An 18 year Senator has never had to close a deal? Maybe as Lt. Governor in the State of MA? At least do a modicum of research. Do you mean a business deal? If so, that may be the first time I've that's been a requirement of SOS. Maybe that should be a requirement for Sec of Commerce rather that State?

As an aside, I don't have a problem with Romney but the continuous attempts to paint Romney as somehow significantly more qualified than Kerry holds true only if you get as simplistic as his marriage and ignore decades of service. I'm not even a Kerry fan but the accusations are laughable, especially from a Yale man.

Is there something specific you know about in Mnuchin's time at Goldman that troubles you?

No, other than there is a lot of Goldman Sach's influence in the cabinet and advisors. I was simply asking you to explain "run it like a businessman" but I'm beginning to think that's mere slogan than a meaningful statement.

Just to support the Goldman Sach's point:
 
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Really? An 18 year Senator has never had to close a deal?
As far as Kerry goes, no deal of note. And the Lt. Gov of Massachusetts is not like the Lt Gov of Texas. He/she in Massachusetts is just a designated survivor. And Kerry served as the designated survivor for less than 2 years.

And while I think Romney would do well, I would prefer Giuliani.

I was simply asking you to explain "run it like a businessman" but I'm beginning to think that's mere slogan than a meaningful statement.
How about for starters, not stacking your cabinet with Yes Men?
 
As far as Kerry goes, no deal of note. And the Lt. Gov of Massachusetts is not like the Lt Gov of Texas. He/she in Massachusetts is just a designated survivor. And Kerry served as the designated survivor for less than 2 years.

And while I think Romney would do well, I would prefer Giuliani.

How about for starters, not stacking your cabinet with Yes Men?

Which POTUS has stacked their cabinet with "yes men"?
 
Has Trump stated that he'd fully divest from his businesses?

The Office of Government Ethics, within the Executive Branch sent a half dozen tweets Trump's way today.



Oh great...now you have a government agency trolling Trump.



Long live the internet trolls!
 
Just to support the Goldman Sach's point:
Seattle, you do know that when investors are bullish on the economy as a whole, S&P 500 and Dow Jones, that financial services are the biggest component and huge beneficiary of a bull market right? Investment, stimulated and encouraged by policies that promote investment and free markets, is how you grow the economy, not the f'in government. And investment banking is what Goldman Sachs does. Their beta is 1.20 and the market is going gangbusters right now. Of course GS is up.

By this nittwit's logic, a bear market with GS down (and yes, that's what a positively correlated beta >1.0 means) would be just the bee's knees. He's probably dumb enough to buy Bernie's logic that student loans should have lower interest rates than mortgages.

You know what industry indices are good to see down? Pharmaceuticals, energy, tobacco, etc.
 
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Candidate Trump vs Business Trump
Based on that short response, it sounds like you are saying that he said whatever it took to get elected and did not actually mean much of what he said or did on the campaign trail. Sounds a lot like certain individuals that the Trump voters despise.
 
Based on that short response, it sounds like you are saying that he said whatever it took to get elected and did not actually mean much of what he said or did on the campaign trail. Sounds a lot like certain individuals that the Trump voters despise.

Sorta like the deportation force that's now not going to happen? Or like the wall that's now going to be a fence, or a "virtual fence?" Or like how Hillary was going to be prosecuted and now she's not?
 
Based on that short response, it sounds like you are saying that he said whatever it took to get elected and did not actually mean much of what he said or did on the campaign trail. Sounds a lot like certain individuals that the Trump voters despise.
For clarity, Trump won because Hillary was the most terrible candidate in history. But to answer your question, not at all. I think real people who vote for Trump would love, for example, to see flag burners jailed. And for the record, I would love to see flag burners jailed. Yes to that! They probably say so in lunch while seeing it on TV. But they, like me, have no desire to change the law or an expectation for Trump to change the law. You don't hear other politicians voice those same sentiments out of political correctness. Trump did, and they are the same sentiments of all those voters.

You're saying they were bamboozled. Not at all. They voted for a guy they've probably worked with or for their entire lives and talks like they do. They know when scuttlebutt is scuttlebutt and promises are promises. They, honest working people, are a lot smarter than what you give them credit for. And frankly, to not know or recognize scuttlebutt, says quite a bit about that individual too.
 
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Based on that short response, it sounds like you are saying that he said whatever it took to get elected and did not actually mean much of what he said or did on the campaign trail. Sounds a lot like certain individuals that the Trump voters despise.

It was all "rhetoric" not promises per a previous thread discussion. It's all good.

"Drain the swamp"..."businessman vs. politician"..."hope and change" ;)
 
I am disappointed Trump has not accomplished more or implemented more of his promises 2 months prior to actually being President. :idk:

I think the election is over. Some of you need to move on.
 
I am disappointed Trump has not accomplished more or implemented more of his promises 2 months prior to actually being President. :idk:

I think the election is over. Some of you need to move on.

I'm confused. Should we just pretend he hasn't backpedaled on the promises he made? If he just kept his mouth shut, then you'd have a point. But when he's saying he's going to break his promises, I think it's pretty unfair to criticize people for calling him on it.
 
Your assumption is that he has broken promises before he has even taken the oath of office. As POTUS and even POTUS elect, feel free to criticize him all you want. Are you blaming Tom Herman yet for not winning a NC?
 
Your assumption is that he has broken promises before he has even taken the oath of office. As POTUS and even POTUS elect, feel free to criticize him all you want. Are you blaming Tom Herman yet for not winning a NC?

If Tom Herman came out and said, "Just so all you fans know, when I become coach, I am not going to try to win a NC," then yes, I would blame him.
 
What specific campaign promises has he broke? I know he has backed away from prosecution of HRC which he has no authority to do, but what else? I have been busy lately so maybe I missed them.
 
It was all "rhetoric" not promises per a previous thread discussion. It's all good.

"Drain the swamp"..."businessman vs. politician"..."hope and change" ;)
Husker, the Candidate Trump v Business Trump is something many people recognized a long time ago. I didn't make it up. It's not a West Mall theory. In the 3 weeks he's been President Elect, for better or worse, he hasn't deviated drastically from my expectations.

He's behaving like a business person, not a politician. I've spent my life around, financing, and advising business people. They don't act like politicians. And if you continue to examine Trump through a politician's lens, you and many other liberals, will further lose touch with reality. Are you going to be shocked again in 4 years?
 

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