The Media Industry
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It would help if he posted links to the actual stories rather than posting graphics that he finds on 4chan. I've googled these stories before, and a few have been fake. These are real, but as you suggested, they are different authors.
Joe Fan
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Seattle Husker
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It is amazing these people can make so much, yet consistently be so wrong
That depends on your perspective. Cillizza is hardcore left thus maybe he felt having a "guido" leading Trump's campaign would eventually lead to his downfall? What am I thinking...Cillizza is simply an hourly Trump basher. Cillizza is print media version of Hannity without the audience.
Joe Fan
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I can only assume this refers to me?
Here is what I say -- No one brings more facts to this forum than me. No one. And I am so confident of this I am even willing to make you a wager on it.
I bet no other single poster has created more linked posts on this forum since Trump and the primary season began than me. I will even take it one step further. I am willing to bet you, without even trying to add it up, that I have alone made more posts containing links than you and your two reflexive auto-likes combined. Again, in this forum since Trump entered the race to now. You got it? It's 3-on-1. Me vs. You + your 2 sidekicks
Are you willing to take this bet?
One last term -- Sorry but the stakes cannot have anything to do with penises (obligatory - not that there would be anything wrong with it if it did)
I wouldn't dispute any of this. I'm sure you post more links and more facts than anyone here, because you post more than anyone else here. The problem is that you probably also post more fiction and unsubstantiated material than anyone else.
Joe Fan
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Ok then
Back to this I guess
Very clever. To apply a football analogy, you are like a quarterback who leads the league in touchdown passes but also leads in attempts (but not completions) and in interceptions.
It his defense he posts most things when they first come out in the news. Unfortunately, as unreliable as news is today from both sides of the aisle, 20-30% is going to be garbage.
Seattle Husker
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That would be an acceptable reason if her ever double backed and said I was wrong, especially when proven to be wrong. Admitting fallibility seems to be a cardinal sin among the alt-righters.
Once again, JF is not alt-right.
Seattle Husker
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Yes that was stated yet he reposts all their material (specifically 4Chan) and holds the same positions. OK.
Like I said before there is a lot of overlap between traditional conservatives and alt-right. There are conservatives that use 4chan and Pepe. It's like the difference between traditional liberals such as yourself and democrat socialists. You would agree with democrat socialists on many issues but you also couldn't agree on many others. You two are not the same thing. You're doing exactly what a lot of conservatives do when they call traditional liberals "socialists" or "communists" because there is an overlap on a few issues.
ProdigalHorn
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I'm sure it seems like it, but does he REALLY repost all their material? Alt-right is supposedly white supremacist, right? Do they hide that? I'm curious because I haven't seen him post any white supremacist propaganda yet, and I presume there's some out there.
Seattle Husker
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Just my perspective, white supremacist is only a subset of the alt-right rather than the entirety of it.
ProdigalHorn
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What is your definition of "alt-right?" Like so many things, the definition has been so muddied - i believe intentionally so - in order that we can on one hand smear white supremacists, racists, and neo-nazis as "alt right" and then turn around and claim that mainstream conservatives are "alt right" because they want to build a wall or they want stricter vetting of nations with known terrorist ties. As a result, anyone who doesn't subscribe to our version of a political doctrine can be smeared as a dangerous radical without ever having to call that person such. And when you get called on it, you just say "hey, I never said the guy was a (insert horrible slur) although you have to wonder why he clearly shares so many common beliefs with those people... we're just sayin'..."
Think Steve Bannon coined the phrase initially didn't he?
It depends on how we define alt-Right, but I generally define it according to the ideology of Richard Spencer, who is at least thought to be the guy who came up with the term. The gist of his view is that Western civilization and culture are inseparable from European ethnicity. There are other facets to his ideology, but that's the common theme. It's the "why" behind the white nationalism and supremacy. To be fair to Joe, I haven't seen him post anything supportive of that.
Seattle Husker
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That's not true. It is a catch-all for extremist conservative views that reject traditional conservatism. White nationalism, not white supremacist, is a part of the alt-right.
Here is Merriam Webster's definition:
I do think JoeFan meets that definition.
ProdigalHorn
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That'll hold a lot more weight when I see anyone in the MSM make the distinction that white nationalists are not white supremacists.
Seattle Husker
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I always assumed the dictionary would be the official definition. Would you agree that JoeFan fits that definition?
I do think the Alt-right hasn't done enough to distance itself from the White Supremacists that tried to lay claim to the movement.
ProdigalHorn
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But that's the problem. Who is the "alt right" again? Who's in charge of making their collective statements of outrage? And there have been plenty of examples where white nationalists have said "this is not about white supremacy, and we don't support that," and shockingly, it doesn't seem to gain any traction.
As far as the dictionary definition, I'm assuming you're being flip? Because I guarantee you no one in the media could give you the Webster's dictionary definition of "alt right" - and even then, would it matter? If there's enough noise out there, your definition, my definition, someone else's definition are completely disconnected from anything in the dictionary. Frankly, I don't think I've once seen an article that refers to the "alt right" and actually defines what that term means. I'm sure there are some, but for the most part, it's left wide open for interpretation.
Extremist? You do you know that anybody right of John McCain is considered an extremist to academia like Webster's, right? Joe Fan and I are extremists when you have liberals in academia redefining things. I'm going by guys like Bannon who defined it, not what liberal academia thinks. If you think Joe Fan is alt-right and an extremist you are out of your mind.
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Definition of alt-right
:a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism
This is the full definition from Merriam-Webster. This is one crock of ****.
:a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism
This is the full definition from Merriam-Webster. This is one crock of ****.
Joe Fan
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For the record, I dont go on 4chan. I looked there maybe once or twice in my entire lifel? Nor do I care about Pepe. I posted a pic of Pepe once and was amused by the emotional overeaction to a cartoon frog. So I did it again as a sort of social science experiment. It's kind of like watching lab mice -- what will they do with this stimuli or that (no one is actually injured in these tests).
I dont think any of that is factually correct. Spencer has maybe 800 followers worldwide? To me, pages of discussion on him is much ado about nothing. I look at the murder rate in Chicago and I see a real issue that affects Americans. This is something that should be dealt with. But you guys always prefer to talk about people like Spencer instead. Why is that?
The fact that Americans cannot have a civil discussion about the ridiculously high crime in Chicago and its causes is the sort of thing I do spend time thinking about (not Pepe or Spencer). In my view, the primary reason we cannot discuss this type of thing civilly is because liberals wont let us. They know where the discussion will go, so they prevent it. They divert attention elsewhere (imagine the sound of of a dog whistle followed by "Hey look, there is Spencer kissing Pepe!"). Meanwhile, people continue to die and otherwise suffer for it. This needs to change. Doing so will require liberals being beaten back and demoralized.
Lastly, I am pretty sure Spencer did not invent the alt right.
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