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The BBC reporter was just repeating a narrative and didn't expect anyone to call him on the carpet. Mus k absolutely humiliated him.
Amongst his ilk, I doubt he was humiliated. Rather, he was bullied. This clown will continue with the narrative.
They don't want to be associated with Pravda or Goebbels-style propaganda, but that's basically what they are at this point.
This is ********. MSNBC spread lies about Russia collusion with impunity because the dems laundered their lies through anonymous government officials. Ducking ********.
I don't think that would necessarily save them if someone sued. It depends on what the MSNBC personnel said about it. That's what got Fox into trouble.
The Fox announcers' opinion that they think Powell is lying is just as I said opinion, not fact. Dominion has extremely vulnerable software and that is 100% fact. In fact, one of the commentators said the software was fine and it's not. I don't think Powell was right but these Fox announcers are talking way out of their purview.
Texas and Florida don't use Dominion software because of the security risks involved.
You're allowed to have guests on that don't agree with your opinion and not be sued for it.
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You are allowed, but it wasn't the guests' comments that made them liable. It was the Fox hosts' comments that did, especially Lou Dobbs, who later got canned. Maria Bartiromo's name has gotten mentioned as well, but I looked at what she said, and it's a pretty big stretch. Dobbs is the one whose comments really drove the lawsuit.
You happen to have what Maria said handy?
What did Dobbs say that was so bad?
Was it the "Read all about Dominion and Smartmatic voting companies and you’ll soon understand how pervasive this Democrat electoral fraud is, and why there’s no way in the world the 2020 Presidential election was either free or fair."?
That's his opinion which is no different than these MSM stations calling Trump a Russian agent.
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My understanding (could be wrong) is that she said, "Sidney (meaning Powell), I want to ask you about these algorithms and the Dominion software. . . . Sidney, we talked about the Dominion software. I know that there were voting irregularities. Tell me about that."
That's very weak stuff for a defamation claim. If that's all they had against Fox, I'm not sure this case would have flown. It's totally non-specific and doesn't even say anything negative about Dominion.
Here's a link to the NR article that has some excerpts. Some of it is opinion, but much of it is presented as though it's confirmed to be supported by facts.
Actually, what the MSM stations did to Trump is much more blatant. What gets them out of getting sued is SCOTUS opinions severely limiting defamation lawsuits by public officials. Basically, the media has an "I'm stupid" defense. Like I've said here countless times, New York Times v. Sullivan is a ******** opinion, and it needs to go along with several other defamation cases that followed it. They are ruining serious journalism.
They went all the way through discovery. It was a last minute settlement.
Dominion is **** software so saying that one believes elections are being stolen by them isn't a huge stretch. In fact, one of the America's best cybersecurity person believes it. On a personal level I believe it's being done through the adjudication process and mail in balloting.
Fox and the NY Post have been called Russian disinformation networks. If that can't pass the "malice" test this sure as hell doesn't.
Yes, Fox News sucks but this was a political hit job.
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I’m assuming there was some sort of NDA before settling?
Again, they have the "I'm stupid" defense. If Fox or NY Post sued those networks, they'd say, "we had no idea they weren't Russian disinformation networks, and we have these intelligence 'experts' all saying they were." That would be enough for those networks to avoid going to court against Fox or NY Post unless Fox or NY Post found some smoking gun of the networks' personnel admitting that they know it's all BS, which isn't likely to happen. They know better than to put that in writing. (Some of Fox's personnel didn't know better.)
Almost certainly. Mainstream media outlets certainly seem to be enjoying it.
LOL. If there is, nobody is acting like there is. Everybody's blabbing all about it.
Lawyer malpractice would come into play if there isn't. Fox wants this to go away so they are not going to enforce it.
That's the thing that I was saying earlier. The Fox people are entitled to their opinion but they don't really have a clue to what is BS or not. What they were saying is not necessarily fact. Behind the scenes they were defending Dominion software that we know is faulty. So bad that Texas and Florida won't touch it.
To me this doesn't pass the malice test.
Not likely. If the lawyer never even mentioned it as a possibility or never attempted to get a NDA after the client requested it, then perhaps malpractice could be on the table.
However, a NDA isn't just boilerplate settlement language. It's something the parties bargain for. If Fox asked for a NDA and Dominion wasn't willing to agree to one (which is possible since the whole idea of a defamation lawsuit is to compensate for a damaged reputation and seek to restore that reputation) or wasn't willing to agree without additional money that Fox wasn't willing to pay, then that definitely isn't Fox's lawyer's failure. It's just a matter of the parties not being able to reach agreement on the matter.
When discovery uncovered conversations in which the Fox people admitted they knew Powell was full of crap but then talked on the air as though she wasn't, that was sufficient evidence of actual malice to support a verdict. That's why Fox was willing to settle. The evidence was strong enough to go to a Delaware jury that likely wouldn't have been favorable to them.
Just FYI - in a legal context, "actual malice" doesn't mean evil intent, despite the language. It means that the defendant made the statement knowing it was false or with reckless disregard for whether it was false. It's from the NYT v. Sullivan case that, again (and I'm going to keep saying it until it's gone), is ******** and should be overruled.
It's their opinion, man. Just because they think she's lying or they don't believe in election fraud does NOT make it fact. Powell has actual backing of cybersecurity experts who says she is telling the truth. Those believing she lied is not the same as knowing she lied.
They had to settle because the judge poisoned the jury calling Fox liars when he knows damn well the issues Dominion has. He also didn't let Fox do much in the way of discovery like he did Dominion. He handcuffs Fox where they can't show anything substantial then calls them liars.
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