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[Horn2RunAgain]

Here is Patricks Crusius home:

It looks like he was very poor. Only drove a short 10 hour drive to target brown people. Keep on making excuses though since he is white.

He is poor. Minimum wage job. The house belongs to his grandparents, he hasn't been to this house in six weeks.

 

[UTChE96]

He also speaks about how humans are damaging the environment, wasting natural resources, and dumping too much plastic. Therefore, more humans must be killed in order to protect the environment. He validates his point by citing “The Lorax”. I think its clear that Dr. Seuss and his radical environmentalism is to blame.

 

[Mr. Deez]

He also speaks about how humans are damaging the environment, wasting natural resources, and dumping too much plastic. Therefore, more humans must be killed. He validates his point by citing “The Lorax”. I think its clear that Dr. Seuss and his radical environmentalism is to blame.

And this is what's so stupid about trying to score political points based on the politics of murderers. It's often a mixed bag, and of course, we only do this when there is a hint or alleged hint of Right-leaning views. What if we did this with everybody who kills somebody? What are the political views of the guys who murder people in Chicago or Baltimore every day? I doubt that many of them are Republicans. And frankly, I don't care. It's not relevant. But if we're going to be consistent . . .

 

[Joe Fan]

Nothing about the El Paso massacre posted on Hornfans.
FBI Director Wray says white supremacist violence is fueling most domestic terrorism

No one is stopping you from posting to your heart's content. So post away. This is one of the fundamental differences between our sides.

And, by now, we pretty much know how you roll.

Person on the street -- "I dont like chorizo tacos"
PenisEnvyHorn -- "THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A WHITE NATIONALIST!"

Random poster -- "Did you see the latest from aggy?"
PenisEnvyHorn -- "THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE HITLER!"

Anyone -- "Looks like it's going to rain."
PenisEnvyHorn -- "THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A RACIST!"​

So, really, what is the point anymore?

 

[Joe Fan]

I dont like publishing the details from these shooters but, out of simple human compassion for PenisEnvyHorn, I pulled some quotes from this latest shooter's written thing. You can decide for yourself who and what he sounds like --

"The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.... This phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic 'The Lorax.'

"Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations."

"Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable."​

 

[UTChE96]

And as expected, none of the same MSM outlets are blaming Warren for the Dayton shooting. If the MSM wants conservatives to stop calling them "fake news" then they could start by acting like legitimate journalists instead of an appendage of the Democratic party.

 

[Joe Fan]

And there was, of course, a second shooter around the same time in Ohio, curiously unmentioned by PenisEnvyHorn. This one was a registered Democrat, who voted in Dem primaries and who described ICE detention facilities as “concentration camps.” Sound familiar? This person self-described as --

“he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back“​

The Ohio person also praised the actions of the antifa firebomber of the ICE detention facility in Tacoma. That one would have been much worse had he not been shot as he was loaded down with lotsa guns and ammo, had the schedule of when the workers changed shifts and was waiting for them near their parking lot. I guess the Tacoma matter slipped PEH's attention as well.

So, there you go, now all three incidents have been mentioned on the WestMall forum for our friend.

 

[theiioftx]

Meanwhile, Joe 330330 is praying for the victims in Michigan and Houston. In related news, Biden plans on naming Bob Mueller as his VP.

 

[Crockett]

Trump would be a voice of Presidential moderation compared to the angry nutcases on 8chan that stir these guys to violence.

 

[Horn6721]

Strange how things go.
In Chicago the past week end 4 people were shot and killed and 38 wounded.
I guess MSM missed that
Or decided to skip it since they can't blame Trump and white supremists.

 

[mchammer]

I dont like publishing the details from these shooters but, out of simple human compassion for PenisEnvyHorn, I pulled some quotes from this latest shooter's written thing. You can decide for yourself who and what he sounds like --

"The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.... This phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic 'The Lorax.'

"Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations."

"Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable."​

I have seen a lot of people on Twitter who act as if they are in a death cult. They need to get together and kill themselves before hurting others. When I read this crap on Twitter, my stock response is “join a death cult and get it over already”.

 

[Joe Fan]

I have seen a lot of people on Twitter who act as if they are in a death cult. They need to get together and kill themselves before hurting others. When I read this crap on Twitter, my stock response is “join a death cult and get it over already”.

I may be wrong about this but my sense is that most death cults are made up of persons of pallor. Why is that?

In any event, I will say it to save PenisEnvyHorn the trouble - "MOST DEATH CULTS ARE RACIST!"

 

[Dionysus]

PenisEnvyHorn

There’s no need for made up insulting names, ok? Just use the poster’s handle. Thanks.

 

[Joe Fan]

There’s no need for made up insulting names, ok? Just use the poster’s handle. Thanks.

But isnt he the one insulting everyone else with that name? If he is the longest, then what are you?

At least Freud laughed

 

[Monahorns]

The El Paso shooter was definitely a white supremacist. His manifesto shows that white supremacism is not a Conservative ideology. It is a collectivist, big government, anti-capitalist belief system.

I guess he likes Trump on some level, but his views diverge from Trumps on many issues.

 

[bystander]

If Trump had quietly enforced the law without any tweets or speeches about it would there have been no shooting?

Note that Obama deported over 3 million people with very little public outcry from the Left.

 

[Seattle Husker]

A Black Man kills someone. We hear nothing about it. The media doesn't report it. If it somehow does get reported, we may not hear that the killer was black.

A Muslim kills someone. We hear nothing about it. If we do hear about it, we will not learn his religion.

A Mexican kills someone. We hear nothing about it. If we do somehow hear about it, we will not learn if the Mexican is in the country illegally.

A White Man kills someone. We hear, “These racist ******** are inspired by Donald Trump to kill poor immigrants."

The difference is that a person killing 1 person is so common it barely merits mention on the evening news. We only care when the casualty count is >5. It just happens that the vast majority of those happen to be white males.

 

[bystander]

The difference is that a person killing 1 person is so common it barely merits mention on the evening news. We only care when the casualty count is >5. It just happens that the vast majority of those happen to be white males.

No doubt 9/11 and mass shootings strike the emotional chords.

 

[Statalyzer]

Like how 10,000 people dying in car accidents is business as usual, but if 20 people die in a rail accident or 150 die in a plane crash, it's suddenly bad that people are dying in vehicles, and often means that some reactionary change is needed.

 

[Seattle Husker]

And as expected, none of the same MSM outlets are blaming Warren for the Dayton shooting. If the MSM wants conservatives to stop calling them "fake news" then they could start by acting like legitimate journalists instead of an appendage of the Democratic party.

We don't know the motivations behind the Dayton killings. Local investigators have said this multiple times. Give it time.

The El Paso shooter posted his motivations 5 minutes before shooting started. This occurred after driving 9 hours to a location specifically to find a majority hispanic descent target population. He didn't drive to El Paso because they pollute more than Dallas or use more Natural Resources than your average Texan elsewhere that shops at Walmart. It's beyond rational to think he chose his targets based on those beliefs.

 

[Garmel]

The difference is that a person killing 1 person is so common it barely merits mention on the evening news. We only care when the casualty count is >5. It just happens that the vast majority of those happen to be white males.

Mostly because whites are the largest group. If you start factoring in percentage of population Middle Eastern people are by far the highest.

 

[bystander]

Fact/opinion:

This is about the climate in America concerning immigration. There is no justification for violence or poor conditions for those detained. We also need to realize that there is a crisis and the pursuit of zero tolerance in terms of comfort for those detained is putting enormous pressure on those who are in charge of detention and vetting. But we must do the best we can and weather the political opportunists.

1) Millions of people are in our country illegally and it appears more are coming daily.
2) Though Obama deported over 3 million people the Left did not object relative to what we hear today.
3) The feeling I get (not a fact; just my impression) is that the Left is against the wall and in favor of open borders, abolishing ICE, sanctuary cities, benefits and local voting rights (especially in California) and are attacking Trump daily about it.
4) Trump is aggressively enforcing the law.

Questions:

1) Can the actions of the Left in item #3 be categorized as aggressive and inflammatory to citizens who wish for an orderly and lawful immigration process?
2) Can we actually believe that California's benefits/voting rights stance is not in actuality an attempt to bump up the population for the next census count in order to garner more electoral college votes?
3) Has Trump in fact made speeches that a sick mind would be triggered towards violence?
4) Had Trump not commented at all about his immigration enforcement policies would El Paso have happened?
5) If Trump shuts down all public comment about enforcement of our immigration laws, allocates whatever he can to improve our detention facilities and continues to enforce the law will the Left stop calling him Hitler?

 

[Seattle Husker]

1) Millions of people are in our country illegally and it appears more are coming daily.

Yes, which is why we need a path to legal citizenship for these undocumented people that have lived amongst us for decades.

2) Though Obama deported over 3 million people the Left did not object.

Correct. He didn't boast about it but rather quietly enforced the law. Novel concept to some?

3) The feeling I get (not a fact; just my impression) is that the Left is against the wall and in favor of open borders, abolishing ICE, sanctuary cities, benefits and local voting rights (especially in California) and are attacking Trump daily about it.

This occurs incessantly on this board...take the extreme views and claim they stand for the entire political spectrum. White Supremacist do not represent the entirety of the right any more than than the 30% of progressives that support "open borders" (based on polling) support the issues that you outline. The reasons for supporting some of those topics are varied and complex and likely would differ among many progressives. A corollary is that some conservatives support a women's right to choose.

4) Trump is aggressively enforcing the law.

Enforcing the law and then some based on numerous legal challenges the Trump Admin have lost (or reversed policy decisions BEFORE the court ruled) on immigration topics.

1) Can the actions of the Left in item #3 be categorized as aggressive and inflammatory to citizens who wish for an orderly and lawful immigration process?

Orderly and lawful? Is that how you think the Trump Admin has implemented its immigration enforcement? In legal circles I think the attorney would object that you are leading the witness.

2) Can we actually believe that California's benefits/voting rights stance is not in actuality an attempt to bump up the population for the next census count in order to garner more electoral college votes?

Not sure what you are referring to here so I'll withhold comment.

3) Has Trump in fact made speeches that a sick mind would be triggered towards violence?

Abso-*******-lutely. Without question.

4) Had Trump not commented at all about his immigration enforcement policies would El Paso have happened?

"Commented about his immigration policy"? That's one way to whitewash Trump's rhetoric.

 

[bystander]

Yes, which is why we need a path to legal citizenship for these undocumented people that have lived amongst us for decades.

Not without 100% support from the Democrats to SLAM THE DOOR BEHIND THEM. Otherwise the threat of deportation is the only deterrent.

Correct. He didn't boast about it but rather quietly enforced the law. Novel concept to some?

What you are saying is that the deportations in and of themselves did not matter. The breaking up of families did not matter. Only the political dignity behind it. Hard to believe. I think it was a coordinated effort to not attack Obama because he was the sacred cow.

This occurs incessantly on this board...take the extreme views and claim they stand for the entire political spectrum. White Supremacist do not represent the entirety of the right any more than than the 30% of progressives that support "open borders" (based on polling) support the issues that you outline. The reasons for supporting some of those topics are varied and complex and likely would differ among many progressives. A corollary is that some conservatives support a women's right to choose.

I totally believe it.

Not sure what you are referring to here so I'll withhold comment.

1) Do you or do you not believe the state of California is offering benefits and local voting rights to illegal aliens? Do you believe the progressive demographic (feminist, atheist/secualar, green, educated etc) would actually want the demographic from south of the border SOLELY because of compassion? I don't. I believe it is completely contrived in political power. Increase the population; increase the electoral college vote. I have lived in South Texas since 1970. I was raised by a Cuban father. The demographic coming from Mexico is the polar opposite of the California progressive. I can say it because it is a cultural fact.

I'm not trying to white-wash Trump's aggression. I'm trying to figure out how a person should act when there is a law sworn to be upheld and you have millions of people with political and media cover ignoring it.

 

[mchammer]

Like how 10,000 people dying in car accidents is business as usual, but if 20 people die in a rail accident or 150 die in a plane crash, it's suddenly bad that people are dying in vehicles, and often means that some reactionary change is needed.

Nearly 40,000 die of auto accidents

 

[Seattle Husker]

I totally believe it.

I'm not questioning whether you belive a minority represents the majority. I know you do but rather pointing out your bias is overshadowing your rationality.

1) Do you or do you not believe the state of California is offering benefits and local voting rights to illegal aliens? Do you believe the progressive demographic (feminist, atheist/secualar, green, educated etc) would actually want the demographic from south of the border SOLELY because of compassion? I don't.

This is such a loaded response I'm not sure where to start in my response. Do I think California allows citizens to vote? Yes, although I don't live there. If you're claiming the existence of some massive conspiracy to all non-citizens to vote then that has been debunked over and over thus I'd merely point you to Google and ask you to avoid the extreme political spectrum blogs.

Do I think they offer some benefits to illegal immigrants? They do starting with education because if they don't these kids will be guaranteed to be a burden on society. With education there is a glimmer of hope for the future. They offer the same in Texas too, don't they? What other benefits are you referring to that Texas doesn't also offer?

I believe it is completely contrived in political power. Increase the population; increase the electoral college vote. I have lived in South Texas since 1970. I was raised by a Cuban father. The demographic coming from Mexico is the polar opposite of the California progressive. I can say it because it is a cultural fact.

Conspiracy theories are common on the West Mall but this one might be right up there with the HRC pedophilia ring, the Clinton murder conspiracy and the Seth Rich exposed the DNC email. Believe it or not, progressives are genuinely compassionate for others, almost to a fault. Many also feel that immigration adds to the richness (and economy) of our society. I work in IT and have personally used H1-B workers a half-dozen times because I couldn't find the skillset I needed in the US. The difference between you and I, IMHO, is that I don't see immigration as a threat.

Of course, you have different life experiences than I. I grew up up in a small Nebraska town with 33% hispanic population (farm labor that settled). My uncles are farmers that would have large families of migrants work on their farms each summer. Seattle has been my home for 30 years. Working in teach companies the workforce has been more diverse than anyone in Texas (not working Tech in Austin) can imagine. My sons attend(ed) a Public HS that's 60% Asian, a large % that are 1st generation Americans. It was ranked in the top 25 of HS in the country. My son's experienced first hand how hard they need to work academically to compete which set them up to excel when they reach college. The only time I lament this immigration is when my sons compete in sports. As you can imagine, their football team struggles mightily.

I'm not trying to white-wash Trump's aggression. I'm trying to figure out how a person should act when there is a law sworn to be upheld and you have millions of people with political and media cover ignoring it.

If you're not whitewashing the rhetoric then use Trump's language. Call illegal immigration an "invasion", "infestation" and plenty of other demeaning and inciteful words. Only then will you be acknowledging the power of Trump's rhetoric. Quoting Trump is not "media cover" either.

How should a person act towards illegal immigration? See: Obama.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Mostly because whites are the largest group. If you start factoring in percentage of population Middle Eastern people are by far the highest.

What % of mass shootings are carried out by whites vs. non-whites? Non-hispanic whites are ~60% of US population. Without looking it up, it sure seems like > 60% are being carried out by whites, regardless of political affiliation.

 

[Garmel]

What % of mass shootings are carried out by whites vs. non-whites? Non-hispanic whites are ~60% of US population. Without looking it up, it sure seems like > 60% are being carried out by whites, regardless of political affiliation.

You feel that way because the media hypes whites doing it and when minorities do it the coverage is a lot less. Whites are doing it at about at a 54%-63% clip, which is about at the 62% percentage of Americans who are non-hispanic white.

 

[Garmel]

What % of mass shootings are carried out by whites vs. non-whites? Non-hispanic whites are ~60% of US population. Without looking it up, it sure seems like > 60% are being carried out by whites, regardless of political affiliation.

You feel that way because the media watch hypes whites doing it and when minorities do it the coverage is a lot less. Whites are doing it at about at a 54%-63% clip, which is about at the 62% percentage of Americans who are non-hispanic white. Who Are Mass Shooters? Mass Shooter Demographics | Center for Inquiry

 

[Seattle Husker]

You feel that way because the media watch hypes whites doing it and when minorities do it the coverage is a lot less. Whites are doing it at about at a 54%-63% clip, which is about at the 62% percentage of Americans who are non-hispanic white. Who Are Mass Shooters? Mass Shooter Demographics | Center for Inquiry

I appreciate the link. There is a lot of info there I'll need to digest before I respond.