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He was hospitalized for an OD two months earlier.

Defense questions Floyd's girlfriend about drug use
During cross-examination, defense attorney Eric Nelson questioned Floyd's girlfriend, Courteney Bayta Ross, about Floyd's struggle with addiction. He asked her about an incident in March 2020 where Ross said she had gone to pick Floyd up to take him to work, but found him "doubled over in pain." She said he had suffered a drug overdose that required an extended hospital stay.

Chauvin Trial: Police supervisor testifies officers "could have ended their restraint" against George Floyd (cbsnews.com)
 
2003TexasGrad said:
So all the talk about excited delirium is tin foil hat bunk?

I'd venture to say Floyd's system hadn't yet ODd when he was pulled over. And, after watching the body cam footage he was definitely high as a kite on something. Man was in lala land. But you're saying it wasn't because of drugs?
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You need not even watch body cam...the in-store video showed him tweaking while waiting for the clerk.

Add in his Harris County history that is as long as my arm as well as his prior HX with the M/SP police for ingesting while in the backseat of a cruiser and the tox screen suggests strongly that drugs were, in fact, a contributing factor to the death of St. Floyd of George. The icing on the cake is his dealer, present at the scene, not wanting to testify...due to the risks of self-incrimination.
 
Hey, Hubba Bubba, is anyone saying the knee to the neck did not exacerbate the fact the guy had all those drugs in this body? Do people routinely die from that, what I have seen, approved technique?

Is your beef that the cop should have let up BECAUSE Floyd was so out there on drugs?
 
horninchicago said:
Hey, Hubba Bubba, is anyone saying the knee to the neck did not exacerbate the fact the guy had all those drugs in this body? Do people routinely die from that, what I have seen, approved technique?

Is your beef that the cop should have let up BECAUSE Floyd was so out there on drugs?
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I fall in line with the paramedic and the guy's boss. Detaining him and getting him under control was fine. Knee on the neck for almost the length of Free Bird as the guy said "I can't breathe" over 22 times becomes a deplorable action. Once he's got cuffs on there's a duty to protect and he failed as if he was John Blake bringing back the wishbone circa 1995.
 
OUBubba said:
I fall in line with the paramedic and the guy's boss. Detaining him and getting him under control was fine. Knee on the neck for almost the length of Free Bird as the guy said "I can't breathe" over 22 times becomes a deplorable action. Once he's got cuffs on there's a duty to protect and he failed as if he was John Blake bringing back the wishbone circa 1995.
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I've never been a cop, but I have known a lot. If the police let up every time some otherwise POS criminal said things like being unable to breathe, no one would ever be apprehended.
 
mb227 said:
You need not even watch body cam...the in-store video showed him tweaking while waiting for the clerk.

Add in his Harris County history that is as long as my arm as well as his prior HX with the M/SP police for ingesting while in the backseat of a cruiser and the tox screen suggests strongly that drugs were, in fact, a contributing factor to the death of St. Floyd of George. The icing on the cake is his dealer, present at the scene, not wanting to testify...due to the risks of self-incrimination.
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Exactly. I've followed this case and trial somewhat closely. To suggest Floyd wasn't on drugs or that he wasn't ODing on drugs is straight malarky man!
 
horninchicago said:
Hey, Hubba Bubba, is anyone saying the knee to the neck did not exacerbate the fact the guy had all those drugs in this body? Do people routinely die from that, what I have seen, approved technique?

Is your beef that the cop should have let up BECAUSE Floyd was so out there on drugs?
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My hornfans experience has improved dramatically since ignoring Bubba and Husker. All the chaffe is gone. It's great.
 
2003TexasGrad said:
So all the talk about excited delirium is tin foil hat bunk?

I'd venture to say Floyd's system hadn't yet ODd when he was pulled over. And, after watching the body cam footage he was definitely high as a kite on something. Man was in lala land. But you're saying it wasn't because of drugs?
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I never said that, I just said that the defense's claim that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose are not supported by his clinical symptoms.

The reason why the defense is hanging it's hat on fentanyl instead of the meth in his system is two fold:

1. Floyd's fentanyl level was sky high, but only in the context of a "naive" drug user, not someone who chronically abused it.

2. Fentanyl overdose is much more associated with respiratory suppression than methamphetamine is.

Floyd's agitation is a sign of meth, not fentanyl, but meth doesn't cause the same kind of respiratory suppression which is why the defense wants fentanyl to be the culprit instead of meth.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
Floyd's agitation is a sign of meth, not fentanyl, but meth doesn't cause the same kind of respiratory suppression which is why the defense wants fentanyl to be the culprit instead of meth.
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And you so easily dismiss out of hand that he was on meth while in the store and even on the sidewalk but then swallowed his illegally obtained fentanyl while in the cruiser. Dismissing it even with #FentanyFloyd's history with THAT agency of ingesting his illegal drugs to force a hospital trip instead of a jail booking.

He learned in Texas that tampering with evidence is usually a lesser rap than the POCS. He just honed that skill in the frozen wastelands of Minnesota...
 
How many ER docs are actually practicing & how many are moonlighting? I'd say that 85-90% of ER docs are moonlighting.
 
SabreHorn said:
How many ER docs are actually practicing & how many are moonlighting? I'd say that 85-90% of ER docs are moonlighting.
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Depends on the ER.

In a busy urban ER I'd bet no more than 10% are "moonlighting" depending on your precise definition.

In a rural ER the percentage is higher, I'd guess maybe 75-90%

The busiest urban ERs which are affiliated with academic medical centers generally won't hire you unless you are a board certified EM doc
 
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AustinHorn24 said:
Urban ERs won't hire you unless you are board certified in emergency medicine.
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Level one trauma centers won't unless you have completed residency, but board certification for Emergency Medicine is relatively new - within the last 30-40 years.

Jim Duke rocked the healthcare world in either 79 or 80 when the young man ranked #1 in his class at UCLA Medical School announced he was passing the multiple residency offers he had to move to Houston and do his residency with James H "Red" Duke, Jr, Aggie Extraordinare, Ordain Baptist Preacher, and funniest man I ever met. The fact that the kid had residency offers from the major medical school and chose Hermann was unthinkable. At that time, every hospital in Texas was staffed with moonlighting medical students, Ben Taub & Hermann having doctors assisted by medical students.
 
The professor is not being consistent with his logic. If something doesn’t tell what happens 5 seconds later, the same can be applied to his analysis.


Further, Tobin explained that fentanyl did not play a role in Floyd's death. After observing body-cam footage, Tobin calculated Floyd's respiratory rate at 22 breaths per minute, within normal range. People who overdose on fentanyl generally have a respiratory rate of about 10, so Tobin concluded that fentanyl was not affecting Floyd's breathing.

"Basically it tells you that there isn't fentanyl on board that is affecting his respiratory centers. It's not having an effect on his respiratory centers," Tobin said.

At the scene, former officer Tou Thao told the concerned bystanders that "if you can speak, you can breathe." Tobin testified that comment is true but misleading and "gives you an enormous false sense of security."

"Certainly, at the moment that you are speaking, you are breathing. But it doesn't tell you that you're going to be breathing five seconds later," the doctor said
 
SabreHorn said:
Level one trauma centers won't unless you have completed residency, but board certification for Emergency Medicine is relatively new - within the last 30-40 years.

Jim Duke rocked the healthcare world in either 79 or 80 when the young man ranked #1 in his class at UCLA Medical School announced he was passing the multiple residency offers he had to move to Houston and do his residency with James H "Red" Duke, Jr, Aggie Extraordinare, Ordain Baptist Preacher, and funniest man I ever met. The fact that the kid had residency offers from the major medical school and chose Hermann was unthinkable. At that time, every hospital in Texas was staffed with moonlighting medical students, Ben Taub & Hermann having doctors assisted by medical students.
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Red Duke was a great guy. I never met him but always heard funny stories.
 
mchammer said:
The professor is not being consistent with his logic. If something doesn’t tell what happens 5 seconds later, the same can be applied to his analysis.


Further, Tobin explained that fentanyl did not play a role in Floyd's death. After observing body-cam footage, Tobin calculated Floyd's respiratory rate at 22 breaths per minute, within normal range. People who overdose on fentanyl generally have a respiratory rate of about 10, so Tobin concluded that fentanyl was not affecting Floyd's breathing.

"Basically it tells you that there isn't fentanyl on board that is affecting his respiratory centers. It's not having an effect on his respiratory centers," Tobin said.

At the scene, former officer Tou Thao told the concerned bystanders that "if you can speak, you can breathe." Tobin testified that comment is true but misleading and "gives you an enormous false sense of security."

"Certainly, at the moment that you are speaking, you are breathing. But it doesn't tell you that you're going to be breathing five seconds later," the doctor said
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If his breathing was normal why did Floyd tell the cops he couldn't breathe before the altercation started?
 
^ you can bet Chauvin's attorney knows or will find out.
I found this amazing
:" Derek Chauvin’s lawyers found a “speedball” pill with George Floyd’s DNA in the ex-cop’s Minneapolis squad car — months after it was seized and searched by police, testimony at Chauvin’s murder trial revealed Wednesday.

Minnesota forensics scientists said the pill contained traces of fentanyl and methamphetamine when it was tested at the request of Chauvin’s defense team, which found it during a fresh search of the squad car in January.

The car had been sealed since police first searched it on May 27 — two days after Floyd’s police custody death — and with the items inside photographed but not tested.
But Anderson said the pill was among several “irregular-shaped” items that appeared to be chewed-up pills found in the back seat of police vehicle 320 — Chauvin’s vehicle.

The state’s lead investigator, James Reyerson, testified earlier on Wednesday that law enforcement officials were present at the time defense lawyers re-opened the vehicle.
Chauvin lawyers discovered George Floyd 'speedball' in squad car (nypost.com)

“The defense would not have access if you weren’t there,” Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson noted while questioning Reyerson.

Both the police vehicle and Floyd’s Mercedes Benz SUV were seized, searched, and photographed two days after the deadly incident.

Both were kept sealed and locked up at a secure state location.
 
Horn6721 said:
^ you can bet Chauvin's attorney knows or will find out.
I found this amazing
:" Derek Chauvin’s lawyers found a “speedball” pill with George Floyd’s DNA in the ex-cop’s Minneapolis squad car — months after it was seized and searched by police, testimony at Chauvin’s murder trial revealed Wednesday.

Minnesota forensics scientists said the pill contained traces of fentanyl and methamphetamine when it was tested at the request of Chauvin’s defense team, which found it during a fresh search of the squad car in January.

The car had been sealed since police first searched it on May 27 — two days after Floyd’s police custody death — and with the items inside photographed but not tested.
But Anderson said the pill was among several “irregular-shaped” items that appeared to be chewed-up pills found in the back seat of police vehicle 320 — Chauvin’s vehicle.

The state’s lead investigator, James Reyerson, testified earlier on Wednesday that law enforcement officials were present at the time defense lawyers re-opened the vehicle.
Chauvin lawyers discovered George Floyd 'speedball' in squad car (nypost.com)

“The defense would not have access if you weren’t there,” Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson noted while questioning Reyerson.

Both the police vehicle and Floyd’s Mercedes Benz SUV were seized, searched, and photographed two days after the deadly incident.

Both were kept sealed and locked up at a secure state location.
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Dayum
 
DKRoyal fan said:
Plus there would be a lot of dead bodies... mostly cops.
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Why would you not put handcuffs and leg cuffs on him and get off? Most chronic drug users don't have great personal hygiene.

Did those cops really like laying on top of George Floyd for that long?

If I was those cops, I'd cuff him and get off, the last thing I'd want to do is lean on top of him for that long
 
Looking at the various vids it is clear even with handcuffs the 6'6 230 lb Floyd continued to fight. As the training expert for the state testified when someone continues to struggle police are trained to physically subdue a suspect for their and his safety.
If people watched the actual testimony of real cops instead of relying on media opinions maybe they wouldn't make such stupid remarks
 
Horn6721 said:
Looking at the various vids it is clear even with handcuffs the 6'6 230 lb Floyd continued to fight. As the training expert for the state testified when someone continues to struggle police are trained to physically subdue a suspect for their and his safety.
If people watched the actual testimony of real cops instead of relying on media opinions maybe they wouldn't make such stupid remarks
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What do you know? You're just an internet doctor.
 
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