Riots in Minneapolis

[lkainer]

There was. In fact, the prosecutor even alluded to "tolerance" in the abuser even if the amount would be fatal for "you and I." In other words, the State is conceding he was stoned out of his oversized gourd...

And yes, there were levels detected of THC, meth and fentanyl. But a detectable level of meth does not negate a potentially lethal level of fentanyl.

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

He had 3-4 x the lethal dose in his system. I'm wondering if he swallowed additional fentanyl when arrested and died from the OD. Will see what evidence is produced.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system (msn.com)

 

[mb227]

He had 3-4 x the lethal dose in his system. I'm wondering if he swallowed additional fentanyl when arrested and died from the OD. Will see what evidence is produced.

It appears that there may also have been an ingestion of at least two Percocet tablets while in custody...something he has a history of doing whilst in a custodial status (which is why his earlier arrests in Minneapolis are coming into evidence at some point).

 

[Horn6721]

lk
Thanks

 

[OUBubba]

huisache, do you think NPR is an honest source of information?

Any drug can be described as a trace because it doesn't take much to have an effect. I think they used a factual statement to obfuscate the reality.



Laughing about overdoses is sick and twisted. I feel sorry for your workplace having to endure a person like that.

A. Laughed that the murder was described as a "fentanyl overdose".
B. I've worked with this one since 2004 and recruited him to come here.

 

[OUBubba]

It appears that there may also have been an ingestion of at least two Percocet tablets while in custody...something he has a history of doing whilst in a custodial status (which is why his earlier arrests in Minneapolis are coming into evidence at some point).

Is he a magician?

 

[Monahorns]

Thanks Ikainer for the facts of the matter. However, it can't over rule what Bubba's buddy said at the water cooler.

 

[mb227]

Is he a magician?

It is clear you have ZERO experience with reviewing offense reports and video...and for many years now, a lot of agencies have been using video packages which also incorporate a view of the perp seat as well as the cage area.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Hey trace, 4 x Lethal Dose, it's all the same. It's not a big volume compared to 240 pounds!

And no Barry, the antidote to fentanyl overdoes isn't to whip out the meth pipe. I realize people in East OK carry one around like most folks carry a pocket knife, but meth pipes are not an approved for medicinal purposes.

What I want to see most of all from the trial, is Old Boy's counterfeit 20 dollar bill.

Based on St. George of Floyd's history of easily solvable crime (the home invasion/ armed robbery he served time for was solved by the fact that he not only used his own SUV as the getaway vehicle, but didn't even swap out the license plate. That, and the robbers beat such a hasty retreat they left one of their crew upstairs as they drove off. Dude must have been running after St. George's SUV like Rerun in What's Happening), I just don't get the feeling that they got a copy of the US Treasury's own currency plates for his counterfeiting operation.

Just don't see St. George with one of those printer's visors on, checkboard apron around his waist, looking up at a sample bill and saying "Almost there, just need a bit more magenta in the dye".

Most likely, dude made a quick stop in at the local Kinkos before he made his final "purchase" at the Quicky Mart. I wonder if he paid the extra 25 cents for color, or tried to pass a black and white $20. Or for that matter, one sided or double!

 

[Seattle Husker]

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

He had 3-4 x the lethal dose in his system. I'm wondering if he swallowed additional fentanyl when arrested and died from the OD. Will see what evidence is produced.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system (msn.com)

How much Fentanyl is fatal?

He had 11 ng/ml in his system. How does that convert to micrograms?

That's only 1 site but based on that calculation George Floyd had trace amounts of fentanyl and the doctors note is incorrect unless he's actually saying MICROGRAMS/ml and even then is in the "non-fatal" category.

 

[mb227]

How much Fentanyl is fatal?

He had 11 ng/ml in his system. How does that convert to micrograms?

That's only 1 site but based on that calculation George Floyd had trace amounts of fentanyl and the doctors note is incorrect unless he's actually saying MICROGRAMS/ml and even then is in the "non-fatal" category.

I would have hoped that EVEN YOU realized that there is a difference in blood level versus actual weight. Guess that was too much to hope for...

Doses are measured by weight, not by the amount per milliliter of blood.

When you go to the bar, do you ask for enough to get to .07 grams per 100 milliliters of blood? No. You ask for a shot or whatever your alcoholic beverage of choice was. In one hour of time, it could take between two and four drinks/shots to become intoxicated. INTOXICATED. And then go up from there to become DEAD drunk...

 

[Duck Dodgers]

The chart lists fentanyl in mass (micrograms), while the tox report listed it in a ratio, per ml - I assume of blood, such as for blood alcohol content.

To convert, you'd have to know the volume of blood in Old Boy's body, or more accurately, have a chart that showed effects on a mass / volume basis.

Dude was tripping hard - just watch the full arrest video. He's jumping around, babbling nonsense about how he doesn't want to be shot as he was shot before by the PO-leeze (a lie) and it hurt real bad (the immortal words of John Wayne Bobbit, when asked about what if felt like when his dick was cut off).

Once cuffed up and in the backseat of the car, he's babbling about how claustrophobic he is - rather strange to feel that way about being in a car, considering he drove one to the Quicky Mart. Must be 100% different front seat compared to the back.

All the actual details of his dope fiend-ness will come out at the trail. Media reports are always incorrect and unreliable. We'll see what the actual level of drugs were in his system, and how it may have affected his demise.

 

[lkainer]

The chart lists fentanyl in mass (micrograms), while the tox report listed it in a ratio, per ml - I assume of blood, such as for blood alcohol content.

To convert, you'd have to know the volume of blood in Old Boy's body, or more accurately, have a chart that showed effects on a mass / volume basis.

Dude was tripping hard - just watch the full arrest video. He's jumping around, babbling nonsense about how he doesn't want to be shot as he was shot before by the PO-leeze (a lie) and it hurt real bad (the immortal words of John Wayne Bobbit, when asked about what if felt like when his dick was cut off).

Once cuffed up and in the backseat of the car, he's babbling about how claustrophobic he is - rather strange to feel that way about being in a car, considering he drove one to the Quicky Mart. Must be 100% different front seat compared to the back.

All the actual details of his dope fiend-ness will come out at the trail. Media reports are always incorrect and unreliable. We'll see what the actual level of drugs were in his system, and how it may have affected his demise.

Another interesting item is he was saying "I can't breath" before anyone touched him.

George Floyd told police he was struggling to breathe before an officer put a knee on his neck (nbcnews.com)

 

[lkainer]

They supposedly have video of this as well.

George Floyd put drugs in his mouth to conceal from cops, defense said | Metro News

Don't agree with Chauvin on his neck while handcuffed though. Would like to hear the story on that one. Floyd is obviously a large strong guy on drugs. Not sure if Chauvin still viewed him as a threat.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Between the meth, fentanyl both in his system from using as well as what he swallowed down to avoid being busted with it, dope, being overweight, heart disease, diabetes, sickle-cell, and the Wuhan, St. George of Floyd made Mr. Glass look like Wolverine, compared to him.

Dude was a walking heath time bomb. Charging someone for his death is like saying the Captain of the Hindenburg was at fault for not keeping a level altitude.

 

[mchammer]

On NPR this morning they referred to "traces" of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

For some reason I had been led to believe there was more than that.

Hui, this is how NPR is preparing their audience for the acquittal, slow at first and then bam!

 

[Duck Dodgers]

It's called National Propaganda Radio for a reason.

 

[iatrogenic]

Between the meth, fentanyl both in his system from using as well as what he swallowed down to avoid being busted with it, dope, being overweight, heart disease, diabetes, sickle-cell, and the Wuhan, St. George of Floyd made Mr. Glass look like Wolverine, compared to him.

Dude was a walking heath time bomb. Charging someone for his death is like saying the Captain of the Hindenburg was at fault for not keeping a level altitude.

However, if you add in the fact that he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach during a home invasion, and was passing counterfeit bills, we are able to justify defunding the police.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

What I was surprised about with regards to St. George's home invasion / armed robbery conviction was that he only served 5 years in prison for that. Seems short for a crime with a gun - some places have a minimum 15 year sentence for any felony involving a firearm.

Wonder if it was plea bargained down to such a short time in the slammer as the target was a drug house, and the DA felt that the victim, while a woman, would either not want to testify as to why they picked her place out, or would not be a sympathic victim.

Or maybe St. George turned stool pigeon and ratted out the rest of his group of bumblers (their "plan" was to gain entry into the house by having one of their crew pretend to be with the water department and say he needed to come inside. One guy had a blue shirt so he volunteered - that was the extent of their disguise - no fancy patch with Houston Water Department on it or such, like you'd seen in the movies, just a blue shirt. These dudes were not Oceans 11), as he was the first one nailed, from using his own SUV as the getaway vehicle, with real license plate.

 

[iatrogenic]

What I was surprised about with regards to St. George's home invasion / armed robbery conviction was that he only served 5 years in prison for that. Seems short for a crime with a gun - some places have a minimum 15 year sentence for any felony involving a firearm.

Wonder if it was plea bargained down to such a short time in the slammer as the target was a drug house, and the DA felt that the victim, while a woman, would either not want to testify as to why they picked her place out, or would not be a sympathic victim.

Or maybe St. George turned stool pigeon and ratted out the rest of his group of bumblers (their "plan" was to gain entry into the house by having one of their crew pretend to be with the water department and say he needed to come inside. One guy had a blue shirt so he volunteered - that was the extent of their disguise - no fancy patch with Houston Water Department on it or such, like you'd seen in the movies, just a blue shirt. These dudes were not Oceans 11), as he was the first one nailed, from using his own SUV as the getaway vehicle, with real license plate.

If Kim Ogg would have been involved, he would have received a medal and been promoted to Director of Diversity and Equity, so it’s all relative. I do believe his death was worth $27 million more than his life was ever going to be. The $500,000 used to build the George Floyd Memorial site is money well spent. “Austere Pharmaceutical Tester, Printer, and Handgun Expert Murdered by the POlice”

 

[Duck Dodgers]

He certainly would have been released on the bond honor system, and quickly too. Kim Ogg, the criminal's best friend. On the street in 2 hours or your next felony is free!

As someone else here said, what a hoot it'd be if the city of Minn paid off his family the 27 million using Xeroxed 20 dollar bills. Good for the goose, good for the gander!

 

[OUBubba]

I don’t care if he had a fake 20 and fentanyl. Almost nine minutes on his neck when he was in cuffs is at least some degree of murder.

 

[theiioftx]

As I have stated before, if he wasn’t high on drugs and resisting arrest, he would be alive. He was 6’6” and well over 200 pounds. Chauvin is 5’9”.

Let’s see. Don’t do drugs. Don’t hold guns to pregnant women’s stomach, don’t pass counterfeit bills, and don’t resist arrest.

 

[lkainer]

They supposedly have video of this as well.

George Floyd put drugs in his mouth to conceal from cops, defense said | Metro News

Don't agree with Chauvin on his neck while handcuffed though. Would like to hear the story on that one. Floyd is obviously a large strong guy on drugs. Not sure if Chauvin still viewed him as a threat.

I don’t care if he had a fake 20 and fentanyl. Almost nine minutes on his neck when he was in cuffs is at least some degree of murder.

A murder charge requires intent. Do you believe Chauvin intended to kill George Floyd in front of a crowd while being videotaped? All while using a technique outlined in his training manual?

Tragic yes. Murder no. Manslaughter maybe.

 

[iatrogenic]

He wasn't wearing a mask. Was Covid listed as the cause of death?

 

[iatrogenic]

I don’t care if he had a fake 20 and fentanyl. Almost nine minutes on his neck when he was in cuffs is at least some degree of murder.

You should care because it matters. If he had not been using fentanyl, methamphetamines, and had severe blockage (at least 75% in one of his arteries) near his heart, he would be alive. The police used a standard, approved restraint technique. I'm confident there was no intent to murder, just an intent to subdue him and prevent him from resisting arrest, and generally acting like the drug addled fool that he was.

 

[lkainer]

He wasn't wearing a mask. Was Covid listed as the cause of death?

He did test positive for Covid as well

 

[lkainer]

As I have stated before, if he wasn’t high on drugs and resisting arrest, he would be alive. He was 6’6” and well over 200 pounds. Chauvin is 5’9”.

Let’s see. Don’t do drugs. Don’t hold guns to pregnant women’s stomach, don’t pass counterfeit bills, and don’t resist arrest.

Chris Rock said it best

 

[OUBubba]

That's funny. HE GOT WEED!!!!

 

[Garmel]

No way Chris Rock could have released that nowadays.

 

[Run Pincher]

You should care because it matters. If he had not been using fentanyl, methamphetamines, and had severe blockage (at least 75% in one of his arteries) near his heart, he would be alive. The police used a standard, approved restraint technique. I'm confident there was no intent to murder, just an intent to subdue him and prevent him from resisting arrest, and generally acting like the drug addled fool that he was.

None of that matters. The only thing that matters is that he was black and killed by a white cop. GOT THAT??