Our next OC and DC

Crockett said:
It's always pretty complicated... successes and failures. Ed O was objectively terrible as Ole Miss Head Coach and a head coach he coordinated for got fired on the tarmac at USC He has some stellar seasons as position coach and coordinator before. It's always a mixed bag.

Best head coaching I ever saw in the NFL (pre-Bellichick) was by a guy who went 1-15 in his first attempt. Jimmy Johnson still had some of the same players and assistant coaches with him when he won consecutive super bowls for Dallas in the 1990s. Can Texas win with coaches who have never won anything anywhere? Probably not. Can they win with coaches who have not been with winning teams at every previous stop? Yes!

Redemption, underdogs turning the tables, turnarounds stories, team building, leadership, learning from losses. Those are what make football fun for me to observe. People aren't static. Some learn, grow and overcome. They inspire me and others.
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Do not forget Texas-ex Tom Landry was a failure for the first few years at Dallas. It took him a while to get that train on the tracks. And he was a better coach than Jimmy.
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
Do not forget Texas-ex Tom Landry was a failure for the first few years at Dallas. It took him a while to get that train on the tracks. And he was a better coach than Jimmy.
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No doubt Landry is one of the best ever. Boy I was in love with the cowboys back in those days. If I missed one second of their games I was pissed. VCR was just coming out but we never had one.
It's too bad Johnson didn't have another six or 7 years as the head coach. If only Jones had backed off a bit and let Jimmy be Jimmy (like we finally let Vince be Vince) the Cowboys would have had more titles. Jimmy would have been in the uppermost top tier maybe even at the level of belichek(sp).
 
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Austin_Bill said:
I guess no one remembers that Bill Belichick was a failure in Cleveland as a head coach.
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The Browns were in my team's division so we saw them 2 times a year. I can remember the signs in the stands in Cleveland that read: "Bill Bellichoke" with him hanging from a noose.
 
MajesticII said:
You might want to look at Ed's resume before calling him a coach from a loser program .... Dude spent some time at USC when USC was good ( late 1990s thru early 2000s ).
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majestic what is your overall balanced position?

they can be at a losing program as long as they were at a winning program previously? so as long as their tenures weren't ALL losing programs? i think most would agree with that. and mathematically, very few candidates would not fit that bill.
 
Joe Fan said:
Kind of ironic given the hard push for the 4-man front

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I'm generally a 4 man front guy. But look at the size of the Clemson DEs: 260 lbs and 265 lbs. A lot leaner and quicker than the 3-man front DEs we trotted out on the field--Graham 300 lbs, Roach 290 lbs. Clemson's DEs were built for the pass rush. Graham and Roach could each play at an interior DT position.

Note: Davis (Clemson's starting NT) is 290 lbs--the same size as our smallest starting DE...

We may be building DLs to stop a smash mouth running attack, rather than pass rush in the Big 12. Are we getting something wrong here...?

I really like Coburn. I'd like him even better if he were 20-30 lbs lighter.
 
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Chop said:
I'm generally a 4 man front guy. But look at the size of the Clemson DEs: 260 lbs and 265 lbs. A lot leaner and quicker than the 3-man front DEs we trotted out on the field--Graham 300 lbs, Roach 290 lbs. Clemson's DEs were built for the pass rush. Graham and Roach could each play at an interior DT position.

Note: Davis (Clemson's starting NT) is 290 lbs--the same size as our smallest starting DE...

We may be building DLs to stop a smash mouth running attack, rather than pass rush in the Big 12. Are we getting something wrong here...?

I really like Coburn. I'd like him even better if he were 20-30 lbs lighter.
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Two things stood out to me.
1. Two of their safeties are almost as big as their LB's.
2. They are losing three seniors. Unless a bunch of juniors leave early, they should be loaded again next year.
 
rick mueller said:
Two things stood out to me.
1. Two of their safeties are almost as big as their LB's.
2. They are losing three seniors. Unless a bunch of juniors leave early, they should be loaded again next year.
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While I like LSU, Clemson is the defending champion with the longest winning streak.

Re: “1.” big hard-hitting safeties above—we’ve got Overshown and BJ Foster. BJF was broken the last half of the season.
 
Pomspoms said:
Well Ed O is nowhere near a great coach. He's benefiting from a guy named Joe Burrow exactly like Mack Brown benefited with VY's play. I will give him credit for handing the offense over to his coaches.
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Also, Aranda was an exceptional hire as DC. Herman went after him, lost him to LSU
 
Chop said:
Re: “1.” big hard-hitting safeties above—we’ve got Overshown and BJ Foster. BJF was broken the last half of the season.
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Chris Ash must be salivating when he looks at the back end talent available for 2020. I am. We’re not talking about just Overshown, Sterns and BJF. There are about 5-6 others who, if coached up, have the potential to reach elite status.

Look at the corners. Yes, they struggled as freshmen, but the drop off from Kris Boyd (for example) was not as dramatic as one would have expected. And he was a senior, blessed with a great rush end.

Additionally, if the injury bug bites — which I doubt at least to the extent we saw this year, we will not be trotting on completely green players. This year’s baptism by fire should prove invaluable.

Frankly, I can’t wait, and we should see a preview tonight.
 
I still do not know either way how Ash will do, but I do know after yesterday that Orlando had to go. Hopefully we can keep Naivar who does not appear to have been the problem.
 
So, Naivar was safeties coach and took heat, directly or indirectly, from many on this board through the year. Now, he put together what was obviously a good defensive plan against a perhaps overrated Utah offense. So, he should stay? In what capacity? If his philosophy doesn't jibe with Ash's, should Herman make Ash keep him anyway? He certainly seems to have an understanding of this defense can, and should, play.
 
I'm pretty sure the deal with both Coordinators was they pretty much get to pick all the position coaches under them. Letting Naivar go would suck, but not the worst thing. I would rather have a coordinator who has worked with guys around them and who knows how to run the defense the coordinator is trying to put in.

We are already keeping coach Giles on defense and Coach Hand and Drayton on offense. If Ash has guys in mind that are an upgrade as defensive back coaches, then I'm all for taking them.

I say good luck to coach Naivar, and maybe our paths will cross again.
 
The other thing I'm curious about is the scout team player - Jacquess? Where has he been all year? Is he that good and Orlando couldn't see it? Or was it more that Ossai was either injured or mis-used all year? That seems to have been a key factor in the resurgence of the defense. Ossai was on fire, and we didn't lose a lot of linebacker production by playing Jacquess.
 
Creaky,

Study your history. Like I said, if Herman let's Naivar go or be let go, you will have heard the last nice thing I'll ever say about Herman. It's not about telling a coach who can and cannot be on staff, it's about character, and letting Naivar go shows me Herman has NO character and shouldn't be at The University if Texas.
 
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