'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

Global warming was supposed to ruin the cacao crop.

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EDITORIAL: Environmentalists oppose building largest solar plant in US

This editorial is a few months old but still very relevant. I have long felt the modern environmentalist movement was really just a cover for radical leftists to cloak their anti-capitalist intentions. I knew the same climate change proponents would eventually oppose the construction of renewable power projects as well.

Environmentalists frequently assert that we need to boost renewable energy to reduce carbon emissions, which they believe pose a mortal threat to the globe. Last year, a report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claimed the world has just 12 years to reduce carbon emissions or face widespread disasters from rising temperatures.

There are many reasons to be skeptical about the constant drone of doomsday prophesy designed to gin up support for a massive state takeover of the American economy under the guise of tackling global warming — not the least of which would be the dozens of inaccurate predictions made by environmental alarmists over the course of decades, if not centuries. But reducing carbon emissions is now a mainstream policy plank.

For many environmental groups, though, the attacks on fossil fuels are less about promoting a shift to cleaner energy alternatives and more about kneecapping economic growth and development. “In fact, nearly half of all blocked energy projects,” noted Jen Schwartz in Outside magazine in 2015, “would provide renewable or clean energy.”
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UTChE96 said:
EDITORIAL: Environmentalists oppose building largest solar plant in US

This editorial is a few months old but still very relevant. I have long felt the modern environmentalist movement was really just a cover for radical leftists to cloak their anti-capitalist intentions. I knew eventually the same climate change proponents would eventually oppose the construction of renewable power projects as well.
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In general liberals seem to just like to protest something.
 
For reasons completely unrelated to climate, restrictions/regulations around nuclear plant construction and devlepment of new techniques should removed.

There are several different nuclear feedstocks that could be far cheaper than coal and would last practically forever.
 
Monahorns said:
For reasons completely unrelated to climate, restrictions/regulations around nuclear plant construction and devlepment of new techniques should removed.

There are several different nuclear feedstocks that could be far cheaper than coal and would last practically forever.
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There are reasons for environmentalist to oppose a solar project beyond just the energy production. History is full of examples where our "cure" turns out to be worse than the disease. This solar project might kill off a species. The world likely wouldn't end if we didn't have these turtles but that possible result should be factored. I personally am a fan of nuclear. I do think it is the answer but obviously it is one of the prime examples of "the cure can be worse than disease" because it has failed in the past with disastrous results. Nuclear plant design has come a long way in the last 50 years but that rarely is enough to overcome the rhetoric of "impending nuclear disaster". Hopefully some region will eventually break the seal on small scale nuclear plants, because that is likely going to need to happen in small increments to get people to trust nuclear again.
 
mchammer said:
What is climate justice? Equal rain for all? LULZ
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It's a way to incorporate wokeness into environmentalism by presuming that climate change hurts the poor, POC, LGBTQ, women, etc. more than it hurts Whitey and calls for equitable distribution of environmental benefits and harms.

In other words, it's just exploiting climate change to further promote neo-Marxist horse **** and totalitarianism.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
I do think it is the answer but obviously it is one of the prime examples of "the cure can be worse than disease" because it has failed in the past with disastrous results.
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That sir is unadulterated ********. The worst failure was Chernobyl which wasn't a failure of "nuclear" but a failure of the Communist system. They were sloppy undisciplined and make multiple operational errors in a row that no one cared about until they were all dead.
 
Mr. Deez said:
It's a way to incorporate wokeness into environmentalism by presuming that climate change hurts the poor, POC, LGBTQ, women, etc. more than it hurts Whitey and calls for equitable distribution of environmental benefits and harms.

In other words, it's just exploiting climate change to further promote neo-Marxist horse **** and totalitarianism.
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Of course every bad thing hurts poor people more than the rich. The rich have more resources to insulate themselves from bad conditions. Those resources were built with fossil fuel powered energy. More fossil fuel energy is the path to give people more resources, not less.
 
California law bans small off-road gas engines, including lawnmowers and chainsaws


"The new law is expected to affect nearly 50,000 small businesses. California's budget includes $30 million to help professional landscapers and gardeners quit using gas-powered equipment, but even then, the budget is still not capable of bearing the full financial burden.

The National Association of Landscape Professionals also noted how zero-emission commercial equipment is both more expensive and less efficient than gas-powered equipment. A gas-powered riding lawn mower costs between $7,000-$11,000 while the zero-emissions version costs more than twice that amount, according to the outlet."

Look at what the bill's author say's"

"This is a pretty modest approach..."

THIS IS THE ARROGANCE OF TOTALITARIANISM. This is why Liberalism must be crushed at the polls. These people are sick with ambition. They cannot be counted on to do anything except feed us cake.
 
They will have to come up with some ‘green’ credits or subsidies because electric is expensive if you go cordless and corded is a PITA. Batteries on those cordless options don’t last long and are $$$ to replace.
 
Implementation timelines make all the difference in the world with mandates like this. Too short and it feels like a draconian business killing mandate. I already have a battery weed eater and it works very well. But I did have to buy a second tool+battery if I wanted more than 1:15 in run time. I also don't know yet whether I will get 3 yrs out of this battery or 6 or 8. Or what batteries will cost to replace, or if they will even still be configured correctly for my device. Unfortunately they don't have a Universal battery config yet so you are locked in to a brand right now and if they decide to change their config, your tools become worthless.

I'm already looking at electric lawn mowers and I've been impressed so far but I'm waiting one more season for that. That being said, this is personal use and a far cry from the high load that a commercial entity will require. I would think that application is still a few years away from ready. I think this CA action does already build in a staged approach. Time will tell if that timeline is too aggressive and will cause undue hardship on that industry or if it will be the stimulus needed to get commercial equipment up to speed.

Where this is REALLY, REALLY stupid is that they are doing this even though they don't have a capable electric grid and they are still shunning Nuclear. Mandating everyone move to electric this and that before you have the capacity to provide the juice consistently is monumentally stupid.
 
Did you buy an upscale brand like Stihl? The batteries are big bucks to replace and even with meticulous care I will be astounded if they hold the ‘re’ charge ability for three years. And I agree about the universality - any handyman homeowner can attest to that frustration. I’ll bet I have gone thru at least a dozen different model elect drills all with different batteries.
 
I have Dewalt tools and batteries, I was going to get their lawnmower but put it off a year. Read that you need two 60 volt batteries to keep it running for an hour.
 
Monahorns said:
More evidence that science is never settled and there must be ongoing challenges of all scientific understandings.
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This is the problem with the Totalitarians... they pretend to be progressive enough to accept that truth changes with the facts, but in the case of "follow the money," whatever conclusions rendered by science are to be acted upon immediately, without a slowed gait or pause for possible blunder.
 
bystander said:
This is the problem with the Totalitarians... they pretend to be progressive enough to accept that truth changes with the facts, but in the case of "follow the money," whatever conclusions rendered by science are to be acted upon immediately, without a slowed gait or pause for possible blunder.
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I find it very funny that Hollywood can be complete believers in conspiracies with big money, pharma, science, etc... when it comes time to make a buck off their own movies but in the real world, when conservatives point out that there are possible perverse incentives in the Climate and COVID debates then we are bunch of backwoods idiots.

This is from a guy that believes there is something to be concerned about with climate and someone who has taken the vaccine. Neither of these debates is "fact" yet. There is "evidence" to support certain conclusions, but they are both well short of being irrefutable facts at this point.
 
The sea level rise has been decreasing lately, at last as of a couple of years ago.

I also read several places that most of what is claimed as sea rise has been sea shore erosion. So not sure it's a problem.
 
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