General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

Htown77 said:
What I learned from that post is that while America may have an excessive number of fat people, Europe is in much worse shape as it has an excessive number of nature dorks.
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Lol. I'm no nature dork (though I have hiked in the Swiss Alps and followed it with making a fondue and definitely see the appeal), but I will take Euro-nature dorks over the hipsters who were just starting to take over Austin when I moved. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of reasons to criticize Europeans - complacency, pretentiousness, hypocrisy of hating America while being the first to beg for its help when they need it, rabid political correctness, smug attitude toward Christianity (but reverence and admiration for people who would cut off their heads), and making skiny jeans and man purses fashionable. However, their enthusiasm for hiking isn't one of them.

In all seriousness, I think the biggest reason for their enthusiasm has more to do with weather and spare time than anything else. I enjoyed hiking in Austin from time to time, but it's much more enjoyable to hike in 50-degree weather than in 100-degree weather. In addition, Americans work much longer hours, sit in traffic a lot longer, and have much less vacation time. Other than in their immediate area, how many Americans have time to go hiking on a regular basis?
 
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I35 said:
Deez, I don't know if you've watched or read the news in like the last month to month and a half, but it seems the roles have changed with Trump vs Hillary. Trump has been pretty mild and even stated concern about Hillary being ok. It doesn't matter if he's sincere or not. He's now saying the right things. The fact that he's changed and really hasn't said anything offensive in a while shows he's in to win. Meanwhile, Hillary is saying the most outlandish thing of any candidate ever calling millions of voters deplorable and many different phobias. Even you have to admit that he's figured it out. I know you hate this.
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First, I haven't seen much news in the last few weeks. I was in Texas for the last two weeks, but it was for a family medical emergency. I didn't follow the news much. Accordingly, I can't admit that Trump has figured anything out, nor can I deny it. I heard that he gave a good foreign policy speech but then followed it up with more goofiness in the commander in chief forum.

Second, assuming for the sake of discussion that he has "figured it out," why do you assume I would hate that? I've voted for the GOP nominee in every presidential election my entire adult life with the lone exception of 2008, when I voted for Bob Barr. (Interestingly, nobody gives me flack for bailing on McCain or claims it was a de facto vote for Obama, but that's another discussion.) I would much rather Trump "figure it out" and vote for him than not.

Believe it or not, not everybody bases their votes on pissing matches, and not everybody who reaches a different political conclusion than you does so in bad faith. If I was truly the blind Trump-hater you think I am, I wouldn't be criticizing the media's conduct in this election, and I wouldn't argue with people like Crockett when he defends Hillary's ethics. Furthermore, I wouldn't set forth reasons and rationales under which I would consider voting for him.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Lol. I'm no nature dork (though I have hiked in the Swiss Alps and followed it with making a fondue and definitely see the appeal), .....
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I went to a dinner party in Stockholm one night, and they had this giant block of cheese rotating above a small heat source. Once it was right, you held your plate under it, with a sort of flat-edged spoon to the cheese and it peeled off and fell onto your plate. We ate it with fruit and some kind of bread. Was delicious. The Swedes said it was really a Swiss thing. Do you know this? I forgot what they called it
 
CNN so dishonest

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from 32 to 14 in just one year
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Joe Fan said:
I went to a dinner party in Stockholm one night, and they had this giant block of cheese rotating above a small heat source. Once it was right, you held your plate under it, with a sort of flat-edged spoon to the cheese and it peeled off and fell onto your plate. We ate it with fruit and some kind of bread. Was delicious. The Swedes said it was really a Swiss thing. Do you know this? I forgot what they called it
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Joe,

That sounds like Swiss raclette (usually pronounced "rock-LET"). I've never had it, but I hear it's quite good.
 
When Powell said "Bill Clinton is still dicking bimbos at home", I assumed he was referring to Hillary.

Thank God we have libs like Seattle Husker to let us know that we Trump supporters do in fact belong in Hillary's basket of deplorables. Proud to be a basketeer.

I was referring to this picture of Chloe shilling for Hillary.

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She's only fat in the sense that when she isn't playing at being a political activist, she's an actress who posts topless selfies on the internet. She doesn't look like she's on top of her game in that picture. Go to google images and search for "Chloe Grace Moretz naked". You'll get an eyeful.

She's a celebrity who has injected herself into politics much like George Clooney or Brad Pitt. She's fair game for poking (no pun intended) fun at. Comparing what I said to "fat shaming" anybody's daughters who posts on this board is idiocy.
 
Iaugh at the new DNC talking point that HTC got sick because she knew she had to work /campaign harder because she is a female.
Will we see.that excuse used on HF?
 
Clean said:
She's only fat in the sense that when she isn't playing at being a political activist, she's an actress who posts topless selfies on the internet. She doesn't look like she's on top of her game in that picture. Go to google images and search for "Chloe Grace Moretz naked". You'll get an eyeful.
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I guess I'm not following your logic. I don't condone her nutty political activism or posting topless selfies. I agree that they make her fair game for criticism at least within the scope of those topics, and if you were calling her a dumb skank, I'd probably agree. However, I don't see how being an idiotic political activist or posting topless selfies makes one fat. Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
I wouldn't hold your breath on Trump not going off the reservation one or two more times before November.

It's like a game of bizzaro football tied in the 4th quarter where teams don't want the ball because they fear a pick 6 is inevitable.
 
Are American's too stupid to understand Donald Trump's tax returns? Should Donald finance NOT be vetted? Trump Jr. doesn't think so in the latest reason why Trump won't release them. Based on this logic, he'll never release them. It's amazing to me that neither candidate values transparency while hurling accusations at the other that they need to be more transparent. Is it any wonder that the average American distrusts BOTH major candidates?

When asked why his father has not released his tax returns as presidential candidates have traditionally done, Trump Jr. said, "Because he's got a 12,000-page tax return that would create … financial auditors out of every person in the country asking questions that would detract from (his father's) main message."
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In addition, Americans work much longer hours, sit in traffic a lot longer, and have much less vacation time.Other than in their immediate area, how manyAmericans have time to go hiking on a regular basis?
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@Mr. Deez Actually, I found the nature dork thing so funny because I had not realized how much my european friends go hiking until your post. My german and swiss friends go hiking every other weekend. My english cousins go quite a bit and are constantly doing marathons and other outdoor activities.

I have not gone hiking since I became an Eagle Scout at 17. I do know an american couple that goes hiking often... but one is a geologist that likes to go look at rocks so I do not know if they count. Other than them, I have not encountered any regular hikers. As far as I know, the only americans into hiking are the boy scouts and the random person you hear on the news getting killed by a bear or bees in a national park.

I am going to have to agree it is likely a lack of time issue. Americans have to choose their free time carefully. I also wonder if that contributes to the lack of physical fitness in general. I do not think it is all fast-food.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I guess I'm not following your logic. I don't condone her nutty political activism or posting topless selfies. I agree that they make her fair game for criticism at least within the scope of those topics, and if you were calling her a dumb skank, I'd probably agree. However, I don't see how being an idiotic political activist or posting topless selfies makes one fat. Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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I thought she was pretty good in KickA$$. I haven't seen her in anything else.

She's a young hollywood actress...who cares what her political views are? We spend too much time talking about the politics of entertainers and athletes. Do your lives and experiences resemble their lives and experiences...even the semi-normal ones that grew up in the Midwest? Hardly.

For the most part, I don't mind them. They can't help their political views...like many Californians (joking) and I enjoy their movies. What does get me sometimes are liberal celebs like Morentz and Matt Damon who are feverntly anti-gun or support anti-gun candidates while making tremendously gun violent movies.

Now, that doesn't mean I don't like a good gunfight in a movie (John Wick is awesome and violent, but Keanu is very pro-gun and shooting enthusiast), it's their hypocracy. I also enjoy movies that promote liberal progressive messages (Wall-E is one of my favorites, Dallas Buyers Club, the Bourne movies, etc). As long as the movie is entertaining...that's all I pay for.

Art, which include some movies, are meant to invoke empathy and provoke thought...sometime political thought. I enjoy those too and approach art of all kinds and politics with an open mind. But art and the artist must be sincere. You can't be a liberal anti-gun artist while making movies with glamorized gun body counts in the dozens.
 
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Seattle Husker said:
Are American's too stupid to understand Donald Trump's tax returns? Should Donald finance NOT be vetted? Trump Jr. doesn't think so in the latest reason why Trump won't release them. Based on this logic, he'll never release them. It's amazing to me that neither candidate values transparency while hurling accusations at the other that they need to be more transparent. Is it any wonder that the average American distrusts BOTH major candidates?
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SH, it only benefits one of the two candidates to show their tax return for every election. The democratic nominees will not get scolded at all from the left media over anything in that tax return. So it's only asked for so the left media can dissect and bring up and point at things that shouldn't be a big deal in the GOP candidates tax return. I think what's much more important to know than what a tax return shows is what Hillary is saying (transcript) in her speeches to wall street when she was making big amounts of $$$. Or open the books to the foundations which seems to be a way to by pass campaign laws. Notice the left media isn't asking or wanting to see those two things which is much more important to the voters than what someone made last year.
 
I35 said:
SH, it only benefits one of the two candidates to show their tax return for every election. The democratic nominees will not get scolded at all from the left media over anything in that tax return. So it's only asked for so the left media can dissect and bring up and point at things that shouldn't be a big deal in the GOP candidates tax return. I think what's much more important to know than what a tax return shows is what Hillary is saying (transcript) in her speeches to wall street when she was making big amounts of $$$. Or open the books to the foundations which seems to be a way to by pass campaign laws. Notice the left media isn't asking or wanting to see those two things which is much more important to the voters than what someone made last year.
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I couldn't disagree more with this post. I respect your opinion but it comes off as pure justification for why Trump shouldn't have to do what every candidate (R and D) has done for the last 50 years. Only R's get attacked for their taxes? Ask Bernie Sanders about this article. Maybe you can ask HRC about this article. A simple google search will show that taxes of any POTUS candidate get a review by the media. That's the beauty of the tax return because unlike a speech which politicians can and lie while doing, a falsely filed tax return can mean real trouble.

Uh, the "left" media has also pushed on the Clinton Foundation and is now doing the same on Trump's charitable giving.

Honestly, I think speeches in general are about the worst way to judge any candidate.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I couldn't disagree more with this post. I respect your opinion but it comes off as pure justification for why Trump shouldn't have to do what every candidate (R and D) has done for the last 50 years. Only R's get attacked for their taxes? Ask Bernie Sanders about this article.
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Either you are blind or just refuse to see it. You use Bernie as an example? Apple to Oranges my friend. He was going up against the anointed one in the primaries. Do you really think they would have done the same investigative work into Bernie's taxes if he were running against Trump? Again, revealing taxes are only for one purpose and one purpose only. It's to try to crucify the opponent they don't want to win and run with it over and over. Really only Liberal voters care about the tax return and it's not what's in the tax return for the most part. It's because they know it's their advantage with the media on their side to attack the GOP candidate. The liberal candidates gets to swim across the river that doesn't have alligators. Then again Hillary would drown if she tried to swim...... She has to have help getting up the 3 or 4 steps to get on stage.
 
I35 said:
Again, revealing taxes are only for one purpose and one purpose only. It's to try to crucify the opponent they don't want to win and run with it over and over.
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But you're implying that this tactic works. And that the big, mean, liberal media somehow uses this to its advantage.

Look at every election from Reagan onward. Who did the media want to win? Reagan 84? Nothing Mondale could have shown in his taxes would have helped RR lose. Dukakis 88? Not most of them, but they surely didn't use GHWB's taxes against him successfully. Anyone but GHWB in 92? Again, same thing as 88 in terms of being mean about taxes. Clinton 96? Didn't matter... Dole could have released taxes showing that he gave a billion dollars to charity and it wouldn't have helped. Gore 2000? I think they were more concerned about Bush's war dodging than his taxes. Kerry 2004? Obama 2008? Obama 2012? That one might be the only example where the mean media told the public that Romney's money was in a foreign blind trust, therefore, he lost by 126 electoral votes.

Maybe, just maybe, the purpose of revealing taxes is transparency. But that doesn't fly with the average GOP voter's perception of shady liberals. I'll definitely agree that HRC is shady, but she released her taxes.
 
What in a tax return would be as negative as something in a verifiable health record?
Trump like Hrc has complicated returns compiled and entered by teams of accountants and Lawyers

Which has more direct impact on our country?
A tax return audited by this IRS
Or knowing a potential POTUS is ill?
 
Joe Fan said:
Now they tell us

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Even the Trump campaign is ready to let it go, if not Trump himself. Here is the Snopes article at that booklet when Brietbart posted it in 2012.

Here is the pertinent information from the literary agent that wrote that bio:

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."
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I35 said:
Either you are blind or just refuse to see it. You use Bernie as an example? Apple to Oranges my friend. He was going up against the anointed one in the primaries. Do you really think they would have done the same investigative work into Bernie's taxes if he were running against Trump? Again, revealing taxes are only for one purpose and one purpose only. It's to try to crucify the opponent they don't want to win and run with it over and over. Really only Liberal voters care about the tax return and it's not what's in the tax return for the most part. It's because they know it's their advantage with the media on their side to attack the GOP candidate. The liberal candidates gets to swim across the river that doesn't have alligators. Then again Hillary would drown if she tried to swim...... She has to have help getting up the 3 or 4 steps to get on stage.
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Yet, there are dozens of articles from mainstream and fringe sites examining the Clinton's taxes. If only liberals care then you'd better inform the Weekly Standard which authored the previous Clinton tax return analysis. Is that now a liberal mag?

I threw Bernie in to show that other Dems have also had their tax returns examined in the media too. In fact, with a little research I'd wager you could easily find analysis articles on every major political candidates tax returns in that time.

Keep the good fight though. May I suggest more support to backup the claims because in this fight at least the claims are easily refuted.
 
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