General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

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good NYP article on the press attempts to cover for Hillary
http://nypost.com/2016/09/14/hillary-collapse-coverage-reveals-absurdity-of-biased-media/

"........ Those organizations were so gullible that they created a protective circle around her. Doing a modern imitation of the correspondents of the past who refused to photograph FDR in a wheelchair or refused to reveal JFK’s and LBJ’s White House trysts, the press corps swallowed Clinton’s claim that her health was fine.

They did so despite the fact that she has a history of fainting and falling, including in 2009, when she broke her elbow, and in 2012, when she sustained a concussion and maybe worse. That pattern alone should have resulted in skepticism.

Instead, the press corps closed their minds and treated dissenters like pariahs to coerce conformity. NBC News got the full treatment when it dared to break ranks.

Alone among the big networks and major papers, it did a four-paragraph, 91-word story on Clinton’s uncontrolled coughing fit during her Labor Day speech. In a flash, campaign operatives and their media handmaidens declared war on the reporter, Andrew Rafferty, lest others also get the crazy notion that their job is to report facts.

Rafferty was mocked and swamped with insults, including from some MSNBC commentators who turned on their sister network. They were like jackals, tearing away at a colleague’s reputation out of partisan allegiance.

The Washington Post, CNN and others added their voices to the Clinton chorus, demonizing any who mentioned her coughing fits as cranks, nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. No news here, they thundered.
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Holy Jeebus. One of the more explicit camel toes I've seen. Or, is it a moose knuckle?

Looks like she's eaten a few dozen too many donuts. The fat bomb done exploded.
 
Clean said:
Holy Jeebus. One of the more explicit camel toes I've seen. Or, is it a moose knuckle?

Looks like she's eaten a few dozen too many donuts. The fat bomb done exploded.
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Fat shaming by the Pro-Trump crowd seems to be one of life's simple pleasures, eh? I guess that's part of the Anti-PC movement. ******* behavior is encouraged! That's not the way I want to raise my 3 sons. Trump embodies this boorish behavior.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Fat shaming by the Pro-Trump crowd seems to be one of life's simple pleasures, eh? I guess that's part of the Anti-PC movement. ******* behavior is encouraged! That's not the way I want to raise my 3 sons. Trump embodies this boorish behavior.
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:rolleyes1: Most fat shaming is done by millennials on social media...in other words democrats.
 
Rudeness, like truthfulness, shouldn't be a partisan issue. Conscience is a personal responsibility, because groups don't have a conscience.
 
Joe Fan said:
"Former Secretary of State Colin Powell vented to his associates earlier this year about Hillary Clinton’s attempts to rope him into her defense of her email practices, according to alleged leaked messages reviewed by POLITICO late Tuesday.

“I didn't tell Hillary to have a private server at home, connected to the Clinton Foundation, two contractors, took away 60,000 emails, had her own domain,” Powell said in one Feb. 4 email to former Reagan White House chief of staff Kenneth Duberstein, in the latest cache of hacked communications among top Washington insiders to emerge in the heat of this year’s presidential campaign.

In a separate email that day to Condoleezza Rice, who succeeded him as George W. Bush’s secretary of state, Powell wrote: “Been on the phone and email all afternoon. Hillary and Elijah Cummings have popped off.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/colin-powell-clinton-emails-228135
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Collin Powell probably thinks like most of us when staring at the 2 major candidates this election. His conversations with Condoleeza Rice even got roped in. This is the second time Powell has been hacked. When will he learn not to use email? At the very least, he needs to learn the term "passphrase".

Washington (CNN)Leaked emails from former Secretary of State Colin Powell show him strongly criticizing Donald Trump, labeling him a "national disgrace and an international pariah."

He also called the birther movement, which the Republican presidential nominee helped lead, "racist."

"That's what the 99% believe. When Trump couldn't keep that up he said he also wanted to see if the certificate noted that he was a Muslim," Powell wrote in an August email.

The messages, the existence of which were first reported by BuzzFeed and The Intercept, were posted to DCleaks, an organization affiliated with other recent hacks of high-profile figures.

Peggy Cifrino, an aide to Powell, told CNN: "The emails are accurate. No further comment at this time."
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GOP senator challenged: Who's worse, Trump or Clinton? 01:04

The emails are notable for their candor about Trump. Powell, who oversaw the State Department during the beginning of George W. Bush's administration, hasn't endorsed Trump and has largely sidestepped questions about his thoughts on the controversial GOP nominee.

Powell also lampooned Trump's proposal that he could win over the African-American population.

"For him to say yesterday that within four years he would have 95% of blacks voting for him is schizo fantasy," Powell wrote, adding, "And (former Fox News chief Roger) Ailes as an adviser won't heal with women."

Moreover, the former secretary of state tore into Trump as an embarrassing figure to represent the United States.

"Trump is a national disgrace and an international pariah," Powell wrote in June.
"He appeals to the worst angels of the GOP nature and poor white folks," Powell wrote in another email.

As Trump's lead in the Republican primary solidified, Powell complained to CNN's Fareed Zakaria about the network's political coverage.

"You guys are playing his game, you are his oxygen," Powell wrote in December.
Clinton 'kind of screws up with hubris'

But the messages also showed Powell angry with Hillary Clinton over her handling of her personal emails as secretary of state.

As The Intercept reported, Powell wrote in 2015, "Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris."

The FBI released information from its investigation of Clinton's email practices in July and August, and the notes it released showed Clinton indicating her practices came from Powell.
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Powell: Clinton camp trying to 'pin it on me' 01:29

Powell pushed back against this publicly, telling People magazine in August that Clinton's people were trying to pin it on him.

He said as much in his email, writing on August 23: "(Clinton) didn't need any advice or ok from me; she was already doing it. I gave her written guidance on why and how I had been doing it."

Clinton appeared on CNN shortly thereafter and told Anderson Cooper that the blame rested with her.

Cheryl Mills, a former staffer for Clinton, forwarded the transcript of Clinton's CNN interview to Powell, a leaked message shows.

He responded to Mills, calling the comments "very nice."

"The only thing I would add is to simply say she had a private account on a public server before becoming SecState and continued to use it when she became SecState. On the other hand this might to lead to questions about the basement," Powell said.
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  • Report: Colin Powell advised Clinton on email 01:59
On August 28, he said that Clinton "could have killed this two years ago by merely telling everyone honestly what she had done and not tie me into it. I told her staff three times not to try that gambit."

Wednesday's email leak was not the first time Powell's private thoughts were revealed. In 2013, a hacker known as "Guccifer" infiltrated Powell's email. The Romanian hacker, Marcel Lazar, also managed his way into the digital spaces of some members of the Bush family and Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal.

Lazar was sentenced to 52 months in prison on September 1.
These leaks came from DCleaks on the same day a hacker by the alias "Guccifer 2.0"released more information from the Democratic National Committee. Experts have pointed to Russian state elements as the actors behind the DNC leaks.

Powell, Rice talk Iraq War
An exchange in 2015 showed Powell and his successor, former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, critiquing some of their former colleagues in the Bush administration.
Rice forwarded a link to story about Bob Woodward slamming former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's recent commentary on the Iraq War.
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State Department: Colin Powell had classified emails 01:28

Rice praised Woodward and added: "First, we didn't invade Iraq to bring democracy --- but once we overthrew Saddam (Hussein), we had a view of what should follow. If Don and the Pentagon had done their job ... things might have turned out differently."

Powell criticized "Doug and Paul," presumably Douglas J. Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, for their plan on Iraq and praised his former boss, President George W. Bush.

"43 (Bush, the 43rd president) knew what had to be done," Powell wrote to Rice. "As you say, the boys in the band were brain dead."
CNN's Elise Labott contributed to this report.
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Seattle Husker said:
Why else try to bring up the millenial talking point? You have daughters, right? Is fat shaming acceptable to you?
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When did I ever say it was acceptable? Stop with the loaded questions. You're smarter than that and it speaks to desperation.

You equated Trump and his supporters to fat shaming. That was your point Husker. The fat-shaming I hear about and that we see reported is a millennial social media phenomena. The Hillary supporters I know disparage the physical appearances of Trump supporters all the time. They can't help themselves. Let me be very specific...they marginalize Trump supporters by disparaging their physical appearance - calling them old, fat, and white from "flyover country."









And that ridiculous LA Times article/San Diego State University's professor saying millennials are more "conservative" than whatever...is an example of deflection. I never said anything about whether millennials are conservative or liberal. I said they are democrats meaning they (statistically overwhelming) vote for democrat candidates in elections as they are listed as the democratic candidate on the ballot - like the one coming up in November between the Democratic Party candidate and the Republican Party candidate. Let's use some common sense.
 
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Clean said:
Holy Jeebus. One of the more explicit camel toes I've seen. Or, is it a moose knuckle?

Looks like she's eaten a few dozen too many donuts. The fat bomb done exploded.
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By what standard is she fat? Those pants aren't very attractive on her, and frankly, I don't understand why some women wear pants that do that. However, I don't see much fat on her body.
 
texas_ex2000 said:
When did I ever say it was acceptable? Stop with the loaded questions. You're smarter than that and it speaks to desperation.

You equated Trump and his supporters to fat shaming. That was your point Husker. The fat-shaming I hear about and that we see reported is a millennial social media phenomena. The Hillary supporters I know disparage the physical appearances of Trump supporters all the time. They can't help themselves. Let me be very specific...they marginalize Trump supporters by disparaging their physical appearance - calling them old, fat, and white from "flyover country."

And that ridiculous LA Times article/San Diego State University's professor saying millennials are more "conservative" than whatever...is an example of deflection. I never said anything about whether millennials are conservative or liberal. I said they are democrats meaning they (statistically overwhelming) vote for democrat candidate in elections as they are listed as the democratic candidate on the ballot - like the one coming up in November between the Democratic Party candidate and the Republican Party candidate.
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You're right. You didn't say one way or the other but rather deflected to millennials. Clean and Joe Fan and the article posted by Joe Fan were the evidence I used.

Notice in either of your posts you have yet to say that it was wrong? I'd say millennials are wrong too if Joe Fan/Clean or the author of that article were a millennial.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Fat shaming by the Pro-Trump crowd seems to be one of life's simple pleasures, eh? ......
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If you had actually taken the time to read (20 seconds at most) the article embedded in that tweet, you would have seen that the author did not make fun of her weight/size. He did say he thinks she has poor acting skills and that he finds her "not all that attractive." But he does not fatshame her.

I guess you could argue that the tweeter let that photo speak for itself. But, if so, then that means you saw what you wanted in it. Other people probably find her cute.

Lastly, an argument can also be made that fatshaming has an altruistic motive. Being overweight brings serious health issues with it -- from diabetes to blood pressure to heart issues. This is on top of skin issues, something crucial to professional actresses. Seen thusly, fatshaming is an encouragement to get yourself healthy. If you do that, it helps keep all of our health insurance costs down. Like it or not, Obamacare gave us all a small stake in her weight.
 
I did not deflect. I argued that democrats are the ones doing the majority of fat shaming.

Seattle Husker said:
Notice in either of your posts you have yet to say that it was wrong? I'd say millennials are wrong too if Joe Fan/Clean or the author of that article were a millennial.
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I've posted here close to 4,000 times. I'm not dignifying your desparate accusation.
 
theiioftx said:
Bubba still working it. :0
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Of what he said, which one of them was it even worse about?

Besides that about Bubba, he calls Hilly a "greedy" person who has "unbridled ambition" and who is "not transformational."

Other descriptive words and phrases he used for her include --
"Dumb"
"Screw up"
"Hubris"
"Character minefield"

And he added he would "rather not vote for her"

Here is what i think -- Bill probably LOLd at the part about him, but I doubt Hillary found any of it amusing.
 
Can you imagine hoping your wife becomes POTUS simply because of the "benefits" he will get in the White House? He could care less about everything else.
 
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