For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

Yea I agree, this is fixable. TH needs to watch tape on coaching greats (Saban, Swinney, Meyer, Brown, Stoops). Commit to the run, seriously. Punt when you should on 4th and kick FG when you can. Slow down going for it on 4th down. He just needs to improve in game decisions.

Or, we let Yurcich take over as HC!

Majestic, your too negative and sky is falling RE: Texas. Your gonna give yourself a heart attack.
 
How was Herman a successful OC? That’s what I cant’t figure out. Our offense has not been lights out and he makes poor decisions on the field as to field goals etc.

Same reason I never gave Charlie a pass as head coach because he was a DC and our defense sucked under his time here.

You would think they could at least get the side of the ball they were familiar with to be a strong point for our team.
 
Yea I agree, this is fixable. TH needs to watch tape on coaching greats (Saban, Swinney, Meyer, Brown, Stoops). Commit to the run, seriously. Punt when you should on 4th and kick FG when you can. Slow down going for it on 4th down. He just needs to improve in game decisions.

Or, we let Yurcich take over as HC!

Majestic, your too negative and sky is falling RE: Texas. Your gonna give yourself a heart attack.
4 years in and TH needs to watch coaching videos? AC, love ya, man, but he's beyond reproach.

And, Majestic is right, Texas is an embarrassment if it is true that they went after Meyer as hard as they did and came up empty.
 
4 years in and TH needs to watch coaching videos? AC, love ya, man, but he's beyond reproach.

And, Majestic is right, Texas is an embarrassment if it is true that they went after Meyer as hard as they did and came up empty.

HIC, If they came up empty (which we won’t know til Sep 2021), it could be due to coach ego rather than our program.

Our program got hit with Covid (not the least of which was the decimated officiating crews), social reform demands, a coach trying to show commitment to a RB that no longer deserved it, Herman trying to keep a game from going to OT against ISU when that was his game plan to begin with.

We are not an embarrassment. See Roschon, Bijan, Overshown, Ossai, WRs and TEs. We probably need to think hard about Casey Thompson not hitting the field which is why if we are going to make a coaching change at all, now would be best.
 
How was Herman a successful OC? That’s what I can’t figure out. Our offense has not been lights out and he makes poor decisions on the field as to field goals etc.

Because UM was making all the critical decisions like "do we kick FG or not; do we go for it on 4th down or not; etc. TH has terrible in game adjustments; he gambles way to much, impulsive in a bad way. Has cost numerous games by outsmarting himself.
When he was an OC, TH was saved from himself by UM.

TH is stubborn, impulsive in a child-like way that has resulted in bad decisions, embarrassing behavior, lost games, and lost recruits.
 
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How was Herman a successful OC? That’s what I cant’t figure out. Our offense has not been lights out and he makes poor decisions on the field as to field goals etc.

Same reason I never gave Charlie a pass as head coach because he was a DC and our defense sucked under his time here.

You would think they could at least get the side of the ball they were familiar with to be a strong point for our team.
When Herman won the championship as the OC at tosu he had a very good offensive line and a big strong running QB and a good defense. Herman, in that moment, was smart enough to stick with what was working, running the QB who was unstoppable. That's how Herman gained much respect as an OC. But that blueprint did not work here at UT. Well to a degree it did, but not good enough.
 
Herman hasn't been fired. So, why would Meyer or Texas say he has accepted the Texas job if he has?
This is exactly the point. Ultimately he may not come but as I have said, you can’t accept a job when that job is not (yet) available.

Some here (not you HIC) revert back to the “Texas is a s*** show. No it isn’t. If we don’t get Meyer, we move on. We’ve had an unfortunate string of disappointing HC performances over the past 10 years. I choose to believe that much better days are ahead, and very close.
 
This is exactly the point. Ultimately he may not come but as I have said, you can’t accept a job when that job is not (yet) available.

Some here (not you HIC) revert back to the “Texas is a s*** show. No it isn’t. If we don’t get Meyer, we move on. We’ve had an unfortunate string of disappointing HC performances over the past 10 years. I choose to believe that much better days are ahead, and very close.
I agree.

To be fair, I have said today that if Texas doesn't get Meyer, that it is a **** show. But, I like your optimism and will go with that.
 
HIC, If they came up empty (which we won’t know til Sep 2021), it could be due to coach ego rather than our program.

Our program got hit with Covid (not the least of which was the decimated officiating crews), social reform demands, a coach trying to show commitment to a RB that no longer deserved it, Herman trying to keep a game from going to OT against ISU when that was his game plan to begin with.

We are not an embarrassment. See Roschon, Bijan, Overshown, Ossai, WRs and TEs. We probably need to think hard about Casey Thompson not hitting the field which is why if we are going to make a coaching change at all, now would be best.
Herman was just in over his head with this covid thing and blm thing. Too immature to handle it rightly. His immaturity was exposed. Now we are paying the price.
So I am for letting Yurcich take over. But I'm not the one doling out the money either. Herman has been thrown under the bus so he has to go. I think Hand has to go also due to perceptions, fair or not. I still like Ash. With the lack of time to prepare the defense for battle in the first half of the season, he came on strong in the second.
As someone else said earlier we may have to go through some up and comers before we find the right coach.
 
When Herman won the championship as the OC at tosu he had a very good offensive line and a big strong running QB and a good defense. Herman, in that moment, was smart enough to stick with what was working, running the QB who was unstoppable. That's how Herman gained much respect as an OC. But that blueprint did not work here at UT. Well to a degree it did, but not good enough.
And To Orlano was not the DC.
 
It is amazing to me how bad we are at this stuff. The leaking of chasing Meyer while Herman is still the coach is bad for the team and even though I dislike a lot about Herman it had to make his job harder with the kids too.
I don’t see it this way at all. We are a very high profile program and the fact that the college football world would speculate about a coaching change at Texas, and that Urban Meyer’s name would surface, is completely predictable.

To keep the lid on such speculation would likely be an impossibility. We would likely be looking for a new coach. We have the money, and UM would be the most coveted prize. Not rocket science.
 
Herman was just in over his head with this covid thing and blm thing. Too immature to handle it rightly. His immaturity was exposed. Now we are paying the price.
So I am for letting Yurcich take over. But I'm not the one doling out the money either. Herman has been thrown under the bus so he has to go.....
Nobody threw Herman under the bus. His players told him to hijack the bus and turn it into a SJW military vehicle. So Herman stood in the road to block the bus and it ran him over at the ousux mile marker. Then the bus backed over him again at the Iowa State line. My grandfather and his open hand taught me not to play in the road as a toddler. It's about time Menses learned the same lesson.
 
Herman blew it with the Eyes of Texas issue, its just that simple, he bet on winning being able to overcome the a**hole factor (the same bet John Mackovick made two decades ago and also lost). Herman lost (or at least should lose) his job when Texas fumbled on the goal line against TCU and showed up in a funk for three and half quarters against OU and then couldn't finish job when they finally did wake up at the end. Combine that with the Iowa State debacle which was really just a function of Herman overthinking everything in a desperate bid to save his job and you see how he lost his bet on winning overcoming the no one liking him factor and the host of people being pissed about how he handled the Eyes issue.
 
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It sets the stage for taking a Notre Dame offer

Yeah, I think he'd jump at the chance to coach ND, but with them being No. 2 in the nation, that's not happening. He rebuffed USC last season, so I don't think that's an option either. That leaves.....us or Fox Sports. I'm betting he stays in the studio.

I agree that we either get Urban or ride with Herman for one more year and hope he gets it together. I don't think the BMDs are going to shell out in the neighborhood of $50 million for another "up and comer".
 
4 years in and TH needs to watch coaching videos? AC, love ya, man, but he's beyond reproach.

And, Majestic is right, Texas is an embarrassment if it is true that they went after Meyer as hard as they did and came up empty.
4 years in and TH needs to watch coaching videos? AC, love ya, man, but he's beyond reproach.

And, Majestic is right, Texas is an embarrassment if it is true that they went after Meyer as hard as they did and came up empty.
I don’t want a head coach at UT who needs to watch videos of successful coaches so he might also learn to become a successful coach.
 
Perhaps we have met the enemy and it is us.
Nobody wants to hear that, but take a deep breath.
Austin isn’t the Austin where we went to school. Understanding that the posters’ school years run from ‘50’s to 2019. Over that time, the atmosphere of the ‘college’ town has morphed. Gradually mostly, but took giant leaps in late 60’s. When college students were allowed to vote in Austin, it was a runaway train. Fifty thousand ‘transients’ voting permanent policy for a town of 400,000.
The town, it’s obsession with everything UT, and the whole experience faded.
We maintain one of the highest expectation levels of any school. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan all have had protracted periods of mediocrity over the last 40 years. Hell ‘Bama had a coach buying drinks in a topless bar since 2000 to get fired!
One thing is certain.These HS recruits are tuned in and listening. Nobody wants to go into a stinking pot of intrigue and ‘just hope it works out’. Now consider getting into UT and staying in. I’m told it is as hard as Michigan, Vanderbilt, or Stanford. Stanford and Notre Dame are in a position to market an internationally admired degree and skim the best 4,0 guys to a large extent. UT has become so ‘anti-jock’ (told this by two 3,8 pre-med student athletes) that they are not just getting little help, they are getting mistreatment. One said his prof responded to his explaining that he might miss some Friday classes for football travel. Prof said thanks for telling me, I hate jocks.
And don’t think that is easily overcome. DKR, while watching our freshman game against Baylor, told my dad “I’d hate for my job to hang in the balance of winning with those guys (Baylor)” coaches watch boards and closely follow recruiting. Since the incessant ‘fire the coach’ chant, it has gone predictably south.
The measure of success timeline is crazy. And to count anything that comes out of the 2020 s*** show, good or bad, with much credibility is absurd. no one will ever know how good or great their team might have been if we’d practiced in spring and summer and been allowed to play normal schedules with all players.
Who knows who brought all the EOT Bs down on us. But what a clown act it’s been addressing that. The BAND disbands? Give me a break. Send them home and sell the tickets.
This whole year has been a dreadful time to make reasonable evaluations and certainly a poor time to make long-term, maybe permanent decisions. Like always, when the notion to launch into the aTm Aggy alma mater “Fire the Coach” someone better ask the question, “And hire whom?” Just being disappointed at Herman is not enough. Do yourselves a favor and dig up the list that was considered when we hired Mack Brown (who was not the favorite by far). NONE of them, NONE lasted 3 more years in NCAA football.
 
I know I know, the Meyer thing looks bad. I think Yurcich may be able to help. And I agree TH may be beyond reproach. MB could have gone 9-1 in 2020 with our players. Maybe 8-1 due to KS getting canceled. TH can recruit and prepare but in game decisions have been horrid. He may just need to take next year off and let Yurcich try. If Yurcich was controlling the offense against K St. It sure looked different.
 
Herman blew it with the Eyes of Texas issue, its just that simple he bet on winning being able to overcome the a**hole factor (the same bet John Mackovick made two decades ago and also lost). Herman lost (or at least should lose) his job when Texas fumbled on the goal line against TCU and showed up in a funk for three and half quarters against OU and then couldn't finish job when they finally did wake up at the end. Combine that with the Iowa State debacle which was really just a function of Herman overthinking everything in a desperate bid to save his job and you see how he lost his bet on winning overcoming the no one liking him factor and the host of people being pissed about how he handled the Eyes issue.
How in the world should a turnover (fumble) be counted as a reason to dismiss the coach (I am anti-Herman btw). The kid was trying to make a play.
Good grief. It's an unfortunate result in battle.
Why even mention that.
 
How in the world should a turnover (fumble) be counted as a reason to dismiss the coach (I am anti-Herman btw). The kid was trying to make a play.
Good grief. It's an unfortunate result in battle.
Why even mention that.

You misunderstand I am not blaming the fumble in a vacuum, just noting that any chance to win that game went away with that play and when you gamble as Herman did that winning would make everything else ok, you gamble that plays like that aren't going to happen and that people will put up with your general asshattery and arrogance because you win. When you lose games, whatever the reason, your ability to get away with being an arrogant *** go down dramatically.
 
Nobody threw Herman under the bus. His players told him to hijack the bus and turn it into a SJW military vehicle. So Herman stood in the road to block the bus and it ran him over at the ousux mile marker. Then the bus backed over him again at the Iowa State line. My grandfather and his open hand taught me not to play in the road as a toddler. It's about time Menses learned the same lesson.
I know you want to blame Herman and his many mistakes as the reason for his demise. I understand that and rightfully so. But, nevertheless, CDC did throw Herman under the bus in the pursuit of UM. Can't get away from that.
 
How in the world should a turnover (fumble) be counted as a reason to dismiss the coach (I am anti-Herman btw). The kid was trying to make a play.
Good grief. It's an unfortunate result in battle.
Why even mention that.

Serious response: Because it was an early down. I think 2nd but maybe 1st and whoever Tom ordered the ball handed to should’ve been coached not to do that on that down.

Verified 1st and Goal at the 1.
 
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The fumble should not be the issue. The issue was Texas should not have been in a position playing a weak opponent at home where a fumble on the goal line costing the game. At the time of the fumble, Texas should have been 14 to 21 points ahead.
 
The fumble should not be the issue. The issue was Texas should not have been in a position playing a weak opponent at home where a fumble on the goal line costing the game. At the time of the fumble, Texas should have been 14 to 21 points ahead.

The only mitigating factor was that it was the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen which did probably have a hand in how close it was.
 

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