For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

[Duck Dodgers]

The fumble should not be the issue. The issue was Texas should not have been in a position playing a weak opponent at home where a fumble on the goal line costing the game. At the time of the fumble, Texas should have been 14 to 21 points ahead.

Not sure about that. It’s been awhile since the game and I only watched it live and not since, but didn’t TCU have a lot of scoring chances at the end of the first half, yet only got a field goal or such from it? I remember them having a slim lead that could have been larger, then Texas took the lead, and TCU drove the field for the winning TD with about 5 minutes left. My feeling watching the game was that it was Texas who was lucky to have it close in the 4th.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

1. TH needs to go. He's offended so many fans that unless he starts hitting 10+ next year and never gets below 9 wins, he will forever be in the 'i hate Tom' bucket. Recruiting is going to be way off and he's already shown that he can't win when recruiting was fairly successful. The stink is already on him and it would take a miracle to wash it off. How MB got more peope to "Come early, be loud, stay late"...TH has done the opposite.
2. Everyone in College Football knows that we will write as big a check as anybody to KEEP a winning coach. Heck, just out of pride, we'd probably give our coach a raise to keep any winning coach as "the top paid coach in football". So there is NEVER, NEVER a reason to get out over our skis on extended contracts so that we are locked in to bad results. We should never ever again have a HC contract that goes beyond two seasons into the future. We would be much better off paying a large bonus in the current year, than rewarding HC's with 3-4 year extensions. That way, if we need to make a change, we make a change and we don't let buyouts influence the decision.
3. We don't want to take the A&M approach in my opinion. That was a huge gamble on Fisher. Looks like it may payoff but it certainly isn't a given...even at this point.
4. We need to quit worrying about splash and just hire a good coach. National Championships are a series of fortuitous events all coming together in one season. Look at LSU, in one season. Sure there are great coaches who know how to pull it together more consistently than others, but there are also great coaches at mid-tier schools who have their schools athletic legacy (or lack thereof) weighing them down.

 

[ViperHorn]

The only mitigating factor was that it was the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen which did probably have a hand in how close it was.

Check-out every oSu and ou games for as far back as you can find.

 

[Txreds]

I don’t see it this way at all. We are a very high profile program and the fact that the college football world would speculate about a coaching change at Texas, and that Urban Meyer’s name would surface, is completely predictable.

To keep the lid on such speculation would likely be an impossibility. We would likely be looking for a new coach. We have the money, and UM would be the most coveted prize. Not rocket science.

I agree that people would speculate that we would be considering a coaching change. My issue that we should have been able to do it quietly. One would think we could be discreet. Instead we leak and now look like fools chasing gold.

 

[majorfan2005]

Check-out every oSu and ou games for as far back as you can find.

I assume you are referring to the perennial no call on holds committed by Big12 spread offenses.

 

[majorfan2005]

I agree that people would speculate that we would be considering a coaching change. My issue that we should have been able to do it quietly. One would think we could be discreet. Instead we leak and now look like fools chasing gold.

As leaks go, I would rate this experience to be mildly audible. No one even knows for sure that he won’t be on our sideline next year.

 

[Pomspoms]

It's a shame that a kid (Ingram) plays hard, does well, makes plays, but his fumble is exasperated in an effort to further an agenda.
Probably one reason he's leaving.

 

[mchammer]

It's a shame that a kid (Ingram) plays hard, does well, makes plays, but his fumble is exasperated in an effort to further an agenda.
Probably one reason he's leaving.

He had fumble issues before. I think folks are mostly blaming the coaches for what happened.

 

[majorfan2005]

Serious response: Because it was an early down. I think 2nd but maybe 1st and whoever Tom ordered the ball handed to should’ve been coached not to do that on that down.

Verified 1st and Goal at the 1.[/QUOTE

It's a shame that a kid (Ingram) plays hard, does well, makes plays, but his fumble is exasperated in an effort to further an agenda.
Probably one reason he's leaving.

Ingram fumbled multiple times in games we lost this season. He did not deserve to run at all this season based on his lack of effort last year. He’s probably a very nice kid. No doubt. But he should’ve been firmly on the bench behind Roschon and Bijan this year and Roschon and whomever you like last year. I get your sentimate that a kid shouldn’t be singled out when going after a coach. Ingram deserved a far worse bed to lie in than he got.

All coaches take heat for mental mistakes of their players especially when the stakes are high and chances of bouncing back are low.

 

[SabreHorn]

his fumble is exasperated in an effort to further an agenda.

If anyone is, that is absurd. The "agenda" needs no exasperation. Herman humped the puppy in previous seasons by losing games that a mediocre coach would have won. Losing to Mike Locksley, the man whose actions and mouth got UNM sued multiple times, and is likely the only coach EVER to make John Blake look smart, is unthinkable and unforgivable.

Herman was "talked to" about his "summer adventure" and his arrogance, yet he is the "smart one" in the room. He should have had his sorry *** fired them, as he demonstrated that he had already lost his team and practice hadn't started.

Then he goes out and again has a mediocre season in the most down year of the Big XII's existence.

The guy is not qualified to lead a bad HS team, much less a team with the largest budget in the NCAA. NO ONE needs any single play or player to "exasperate" any negative thought or action toward Tom Herman, he has given anyone with a single brain cell enough ammunition to criticize him.

 

[dukesteer]

Ingram has been the third best back for most of the year, certainly after BR started to emerge.

The TCU fumble was 90% on Herman or Yurcich. In the stands, I was screaming before the play to get Ingram out of there. He was spent. No gas, after two conservative plays. To give him the ball in that situation was nothing short of stupid, but typical.

Ingram has no vision. None. He cannot see the hole, and he cannot select the proper lane. Instead, more often than not, he runs into the pile and gains nothing.

Either he had been poorly coached, or he cannot be coached up. His strength might be as a third down back, for passes.

 

[majorfan2005]

Herman is continually plagued by mental mistakes that he should have proactively screamed about before the snap. Sam forced a ball and got picked on 1st or second down in OT against OU.

Regarding Toms coaching skills. If he can’t win against OU in 2019 with Sam, CJ, Duvernay, Epps, Eagles, and Burt when the tallest OU DB was under 4’8”, he should not be coaching.

 

[caryhorn]

@caryhorn, I am interested to hear why you disagree. And, I hope I'm wrong, so please tell me why.

^^^ I only disagree with the 15 years in the toilet—so to speak.
I’ve seen many top football programs—I do think Texas is a top one—fall into the shidder for a few years but rally back fairly quickly.
The Horns have all the resources to bounce back.
Here are some examples of top level programs that have been great, fallen low, lost their way for a while, then recovered. These things are cyclical. Ones I mention have the money, fan base, etc. to rebound.
Domers, Meatchicken, usc, tOSU, ou sucks, Clemson, Bama, Georgia, Florida, and TEXAS.

I think Strong and TH were sad mistakes. Mostly due to mistakes in the hiring of poor athletic directors. Sabre has written very well about this.

I think cdc will do it right. I think we’re back within 5 years.

 

[FWHORN]

As for worst officiated game ever there is a clear number one that I am not sure will ever be touched and that's the 1992 Baylor good bye Grant Teaff game. There is bad officiating and then there is straight up officials not just being bad but deliberately being bad and deliberately missing and making wrong calls with intent. The officiating in that game was and remains a stain on the sport and a crime against football.

 

[dukesteer]

I think Strong and TH were sad mistakes.

Strong, a good guy, was a poor choice.

Herman was a miss. Almost no one on this board, nor any BMD was opposed to his selection. We all just miscalculated because we could not anticipate the poor judgment, poor in-game decision making, the immaturity and the arrogance.

 

[AC]

I’ve backed Herman. Since OU 2020, I’ve wanted him gone. I think or hope Yurcich would be good if Meyer won’t come here. I think the jury may still be out on Meyer. My frustration was that TH was smart, talented. Probably pride& arrogance was his downfall. He was always trying to outsmart everyone and do the “unexpected”. He was probably worse than CS in terms of in game decisions. He lost us 8 or more games by himself with bad calls and giving up on the run game!

 

[BevoJoe]

We went from We Are Texas to We WERE Texas. No one is scared of playing us. No one fears the Longhorns. We became a joke in a second rate conference. With the money we have and the players that come out of this state it is truly embarrassing to see what we have become. This should be one of the top 5 jobs in college football. Instead we are not and are out looking like beggars for a savior. What a mess.

^^^^THIS! Great summation and on point.

 

[nashhorn]

I completely agree that sadly it’s true, “no one fears the Longhorns” anymore. In fact I’d bet plenty look forward to it and not for the exposure either.

 

[BevoJoe]

Herman, this is directly to you: Stop acting like you earned something when you haven’t yet.

Exactly!

 

[dukesteer]

Anyone heard the rumor that CDC will be making some type of statement tomorrow?

As my buddy just reiterated, Stoops wasn’t a HC until he went to OU. Dabo wasn’t a HC until Clemson hired him. Kirby wasn’t a HC until GA. And while DKR was a HC prior to Texas, his resume was unspectacular.

If the only “sure thing” is (was?) UM but at a price tag north of 30 Mil “more” than someone else, I believe that CDC should be looking around/beyond UM. And he probably is.

But Herman must go.

 

[Handler]

What’s Hand’s contract situation. Man he sucks.

 

[Joe Fan]

Some people expect some type of carefully worded vote of confidence from CDC sometime this weekend
I guess this will be for recruiting purposes since it wont actually mean much other than that

 

[Chop]

My main on-the-field beefs against Herman:

1. His philosophy of forcing his will on the opponent has made him fail to make halftime and in-game adjustments. He also won't take what the opponent is giving him.
2. Red zone play calling has been spotty. Short yardage play calling has been spotty.
3. He's too tied to that d@%$ binder and has a hard time thinking on the run.
4. We've only recently started doing frequent stunts on the DL. Why haven't we been doing that all along to get more pressure on the QB?
5. Discipline is sub-par. This includes the dumb penalties, false starts, etc.
6. While the playbook is better than last year, we're still too predictable.
7. Back up QB development is sub par.
8. He hasn't gotten as much out of his LB and OL position coaches as has been needed. Buck stops at the top...

Objectively, he's really not a bad coach, but we could do a lot better.

 

[nashhorn]

Speaking if stunts on the Dl, this is finally been a year where you do not always see the blitzer(s) giving it away by an early break towards LOS.

 

[cnb]

Herb Hand has removed all UT gear from his twitter page.

 

[dukesteer]

Some people expect some type of carefully worded vote of confidence from CDC sometime this weekend
I guess this will be for recruiting purposes since it wont actually mean much other than that

JF, you might be right, but I hope not. The cord needs to be cut.

IHO it would be unwise for CDC to obfuscate. That’s because any recruit that signs based on an ambiguous message could feel betrayed later once TH is removed.

If CDC doesn’t fire TH now, talk about threading a needle in any public statement.

 

[NRHorn]

As for worst officiated game ever there is a clear number one that I am not sure will ever be touched and that's the 1992 Baylor good bye Grant Teaff game. There is bad officiating and then there is straight up officials not just being bad but deliberately being bad and deliberately missing and making wrong calls with intent. The officiating in that game was and remains a stain on the sport and a crime against football.

I have always said there are two games I felt the officials played a hand in, NO DOUBT.
Both for sentimental reasons
1. The BU farewell to Taft
2. The game after the Aggie bonfire disaster. And do not misunderstand me- that accident was terrible so I’m not being cute here.
One okay in particular, Simms took 3 steps out of bounds and was BLASTED by an Aggie defender- ref threw a flag immediately .... conferenced with the other refs and picked it up. There were several horrible calls in that game.

 

[majorfan2005]

I have always said there are two games I felt the officials played a hand in, NO DOUBT.
Both for sentimental reasons
1. The BU farewell to Taft
2. The game after the Aggie bonfire disaster. And do not misunderstand me- that accident was terrible so I’m not being cute here.
One okay in particular, Simms took 3 steps out of bounds and was BLASTED by an Aggie defender- ref threw a flag immediately .... conferenced with the other refs and picked it up. There were several horrible calls in that game.

The Aggie bonfire game was one I was going to mention earlier. Clearly misguided officiating.

 

[NRHorn]

The Aggie bonfire game was one I was going to mention earlier. Clearly misguided officiating.

Simms is already out of bounds 5 yards before the DB is going to hit late... the Aggie to Simms right closing in, notice where Simms is top pic and folks he has taken a step or two out of bounds and then the impact in the bottom pic. There is a 5 yard gap there.

One of the word calls I’ve ever personally seen.

Note both refs looking at Simms and they knew Simms was out and immediately threw the flag, only to pick it up.

 

[Texex81]

As for worst officiated game ever there is a clear number one that I am not sure will ever be touched and that's the 1992 Baylor good bye Grant Teaff game. There is bad officiating and then there is straight up officials not just being bad but deliberately being bad and deliberately missing and making wrong calls with intent. The officiating in that game was and remains a stain on the sport and a crime against football.

Yes, and I’m still bitter