For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

[horninchicago]

Has there ever been a really successful coach who wasn't an egomaniac? Some may be more calm on the outside like Tom Landry, but they all have egos.

That doesn’t mean we have to ever excuse it. I work with far too many people that think they are Gods. They make less than a 50th of Urban’s salary. That’s how you end up with Penn St and the Today show.

Everyone in the country thinks Texas is one of the top jobs:
1) high pay for coaches
2) relatively recent NC games
3) good area to recruit

Every human being has an ego. An egomaniac is a different animal. Herman's hubris and immaturity are his impediments to having good judgement both on gameday and other days.

I never thought Tom Landry or DKR was an egomaniac.

No, I'm right. Y'all don't know what the hell you're talking about, and I'm no egomaniac. But, if I was, I'd be really good at it.

 

[majorfan2005]

If this isn’t all BS and Meyer doesn’t come to UT, I hope one of the jokesters on Fox holds up a ziploc of poop trying to get a reaction out of Meyer next week.

 

[Chinstrap]

It is way too late to re litigate the end of the Mack Brown era but lets be absolutely clear, Mack was an outstanding coach and an even better person. He absolutely is the second greatest coach in school history and he deserves his own statue at DKR stadium. His ten year run from 2000 to 2009 is extraordinary and his five top five finishes, two NC appearances and one NC means he will always be a Texas legend regardless of the last few seasons of his tenure. I will always be a Mack Brown fan and always grateful for what he did at Texas and the incredible heights he had Texas at for such a sustained period.

All you say is true. But like so many coaches who say they will know when it is time to leave, Brown had to have known, but fought it, and unfortunately, tarnished a grand career at Texas. In time the tarnish will wear off.
He is s good man!

 

[majorfan2005]

No, I'm right. Y'all don't know what the hell you're talking about, and I'm no egomaniac. But, if I was, I'd be really good at it.

Last time I checked, I am not an egomaniac. One could only deduce I might be if Meyer hadn’t clearly stepped well over the decorum boundary.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Which universe do you wanna live in? Do you want there to be some semblance of order or just chaos abated by cojones? If it’s all up to the individual to make sure they don’t get screwed, why does the US allow lawsuits for damages instead of informing us to protect our own and suck it up if we get screwed.

Look, it's the college football world that exists, and pretty much always has, and always will. You went from "unwritten rules" to comments about what universe you want to live it. So apparently even you realize that there are no "unwritten rules " on hiring and firing, and moved onto what you'd like to see.

Coaches on contract can be fired at any point for failures on or off the field, and no lawsuits apply. Only when schools try to welch out of the contracted rate, by claiming violation of school or NCAA rules, have there been legal suits.

 

[horninchicago]

Last time I checked, I am not an egomaniac. One could only deduce I might be if Meyer hadn’t clearly stepped well over the decorum boundary.

I guess the humor didn't come across in my comment.

 

[rick mueller]

So...

Texas = Husband
Herman = Wife
Meyer = hot movida (mistress)

Husband say's he'll divorce wife and has been seen in public with movida. Movida say's, "Sorry, I was just in it for the sex" and Husband now has to make it up with wifey.

Big problem.

Also, this now seems to be a direct shot at Texas and maybe is the clue behind his moving on:

Urban Meyer Says The Fans Of Elite College Programs Are Crazy

Well, the word "fan" does come from the word fanatic. Would he rather coach at Div II or JC where only the parents and girlfriends are there? Or in front of 100,000+ "fans" screaming as loud as they can so they can live vicariously through the success of their team and are willing to give him $10 million a year to do so? Yeah, I thought so.

 

[Chop]

A very, very strong coach (I'm talking Woody Hayes or Bear Bryant or maybe Saban) could tell the big $ donors: "We're happy to take your money, but sit down and shut up, I don't want to hear from any of you, I'm running this show." That doesn't work for anyone else.

 

[majorfan2005]

I guess the humor didn't come across in my comment.

HIC, No offense but it’s not humorous to accuse the victim of the assailant’s offense because they pointed at the assailant.

 

[horninchicago]

A very, very strong coach (I'm talking Woody Hayes or Bear Bryant or maybe Saban) could tell the big $ donors: "We're happy to take your money, but sit down and shut up, I don't want to hear from any of you, I'm running this show." That doesn't work for anyone else.

If the Texas BMDs would not heed that from and Urban Meyer, 2 time NC winning coach, then Texas is just screwed for good.

Again, I don't think a Matt Campbell type would put up with interference fro long and may not be able to deal with it.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Those of you who aren't old enough to remember should know that there was pressure to dump DKR himself back in the mid-seventies. He took Texas football to heights it had never achieved. He won three NCs and had several near misses and still the boosters got restless after 5 straight losses to OU in 1971-1975 and then a tie in '76. I read that DKR threw up after that '76 game.

There was no doubt DKR was beaten down by 1976, but the pressure didn't help. Then after all he'd done, the last straw was that they didn't take his recommendation for his replacement. OU was smart enough to take Stoops suggestion of Lincoln Riley. That seems to have worked out well.

Anyway I probably wouldn't take the job either if I was in UM's position; rich, happy, and finally healthy. Who needs their ego stoked that badly.

I thought Fred Akers was DKR's pick for head coach? He certainly righted the ship the year after Royal left, and went 11-0 that year, only losing to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl.

Royal and Brown had very similar careers - good early success, down turns in the middle, ramped it back up for an even better run, then a slow slide down to not being good coaches anymore. Both should have been let go a few years before they were, but that's obviously very hard to do for a legacy coach.

 

[horninchicago]

HIC, No offense but it’s not humorous to accuse the victim of the assailant’s offense because they pointed at the assailant.

I'm not offended, I just don't understand what the hell you are trying to say. I didn't disagree that Meyer is an egomaniac. I am saying...so what? Herman could be an egomaniac if he didn't throw the fanbase under the bus and actually was successful. No one would care.

 

[zuckercanyon]

I thought Fred Akers was DKR's pick for head coach? He certainly righted the ship the year after Royal left, and went 11-0 that year, only losing to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl.

Royal and Brown had very similar careers - good early success, down turns in the middle, ramped it back up for an even better run, then a slow slide down to not being good coaches anymore. Both should have been let go a few years before they were, but that's obviously very hard to do for a legacy coach.

No, I think it was another assistant whose name escapes me.

 

[majorfan2005]

I'm not offended, I just don't understand what the hell you are trying to say. I didn't disagree that Meyer is an egomaniac. I am saying...so what? Herman could be an egomaniac if he didn't throw the fanbase under the bus and actually was successful. No one would care.

They should care if his egomania impacts anyone and they employ him as head coach.

 

[Chop]

If the Texas BMDs would not heed that from and Urban Meyer, 2 time NC winning coach, then Texas is just screwed for good.

Again, I don't think a Matt Campbell type would put up with interference fro long and may not be able to deal with it.

I think Meyer is approaching the caliber of coach who could effectively tell the BMD to sit down and shut up. Then again, his agent might craft a contract with some sort of non-interference/non-communication from the alumni clause...

 

[zuckercanyon]

Oh, dear. Here comes an egomaniac. Run, people, run......

 

[zuckercanyon]

I think Meyer is approaching the caliber of coach who could effectively tell the BMD to sit down and shut up.

I think he's there.

 

[Chop]

Oh, dear. Here comes an egomaniac. Run, people, run......

If it's me, you can be assured I'm no egomaniac. I'll readily admit that I don't know nearly as much about football and coach/alumni relations as many of you.

However, I do know considerably more than zuckercanyon.

 

[Chop]

I think he's there.

Maybe. If he's teetering, perhaps his agent could draft up an agreement protecting him from unwanted alumni influence and not requiring him to do interviews with the press. He could just coach football and not do all that other stuff such as interviews, LHN crap, etc.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

No, I think it was another assistant whose name escapes me.

Akers was a good pick, so if Royal wanted someone else then it's not the same as the Stoops / Riley situation as it was compared to.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Nebraska got what they deserved in the legacy they is Bo Pelini lasts Firby decades

Calling @mchammer . We have an emergency Sabre translation on our hands!

 

[Handler]

So if Herman is really coming back then why hasn't CDC gave him the backing publicly. I still think he's getting fired, frustrated how CDC is handling this though.

 

[PecosBill]

I thought Fred Akers was DKR's pick for head coach? He certainly righted the ship the year after Royal left, and went 11-0 that year, only losing to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl.

Royal and Brown had very similar careers - good early success, down turns in the middle, ramped it back up for an even better run, then a slow slide down to not being good coaches anymore. Both should have been let go a few years before they were, but that's obviously very hard to do for a legacy coach.

Leon Fuller - Wikipedia

The Admin and BMD didnt agree with each other or DKR and brought Akers back from Wyoming I think.

My mistake, Fuller was at WY with Akers and went to TX with Akers.

*Edited due to Coach Fantasy Fatigue.

 

[huisache]

DKR wanted Campbell, an assistant, for his replacement. Erwin disagreed iirc.

I am an egomaniac and so is most everybody else on this board except maybe Bill in Sinton.

President Bone Spur gave the presidential medal of freedom to Lou Holtz the other day. Today he gave it to some wrestling promoter. I tell you, I want to live forever because things are getting so much crazier as we go along. Let 'er rip.

 

[Chop]

Wasn't Mike Campbell Royal's hand-picked successor that wasn't?

 

[FWHORN]

Campbell was DKR’s choice, Akers was imposed even though DKR was technically the “AD”

Edit: Chop and huisache beat me to the post. Campbell was the D coordinator under DKR.

 

[horninchicago]

They should care if his egomania impacts anyone and they employ him as head coach.

Okay.

 

[Chop]

Frank Erwin sure sounds like an egomaniac.

 

[PecosBill]

I think Meyer is approaching the caliber of coach who could effectively tell the BMD to sit down and shut up. Then again, his agent might craft a contract with some sort of non-interference/non-communication from the alumni clause...

UM may have recently done this exactly.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

I'm not sure why Urban left Florida but there were (supposedly) health issues. Didn't take long and he was the head coach of Ohio State (believe he was born in Ohio). Started winning at his usual 85% clip and won a natty. Then he got suspended for one his assistant coaches' marital problems (yeah that's football related). Not long after that suspension was over he threw the game against Mizzou on a Thursday night, won the rest of his games including the bowl and said adios mo fo. One of the reasons I don't think he'll come to Texas is there's way too many people with money (and not) that will pester the hell out of UM about what color tie he wears, are his players nice to their girlfriends, do they own guns, etc etc and then (if he was head coach), we'd lose a game to mediocre u, and he'd announce his health issues are back and adios mo fo. There's folks out there who wonder if it's the hires Texas makes or Texas itself. I'm leaning towards Texas itself as the issue. Way too many off-the-field things that make us "T-sips". Oklahoma wins because they get a coach, get behind that coach, and only when that coach just cannot win (John Blake) is that coach run out. Texas has made the head coaching job a whole different animal, shaking hands and kissing babies. All of the universities who win don't do that crap. Until Texas ditches the politics, there won't be any Natty's and there'll continue to be few and far between conference titles.

OSU didn't play Missouri that year. Maybe you're thinking of their game against Purdue, but OSU didn't throw that game - they didn't play that well, but didn't try to lose it at a coaching level.

All head coaches at top level schools will have to deal with the scum media, talk to donors, fans, be the face of the program, etc. No one's just doing X and O's and such. OU has had two good coaches in a row, but had Gary Gibbs who was very similar to Herman in production, then the Howard S and John Blake years as well.