For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

It is way too late to re litigate the end of the Mack Brown era but lets be absolutely clear, Mack was an outstanding coach and an even better person. He absolutely is the second greatest coach in school history and he deserves his own statue at DKR stadium. His ten year run from 2000 to 2009 is extraordinary and his five top five finishes, two NC appearances and one NC means he will always be a Texas legend regardless of the last few seasons of his tenure. I will always be a Mack Brown fan and always grateful for what he did at Texas and the incredible heights he had Texas at for such a sustained period.
 
majorfan2005 said:
What kind of a SHI*BAG:
1. Goes on National TV calling into question a current coach’s long-term viability based on player development;
2. Entertains interest in said coach’s job when courted;
3. Jokes and does not categorically deny interest on National TV a day before rejecting the offer; and
4. Doesn’t appear to be at all concerned with the negative impact his career flirtation has on 2021 recruiting?
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Losing to crappy teams over and over and not developing 3 in a row - top 5 recruiting classes takes care of recruiting.
 
majorfan2005 said:
What kind of a SHI*BAG:
1. Goes on National TV calling into question a current coach’s long-term viability based on player development;
2. Entertains interest in said coach’s job when courted;
3. Jokes and does not categorically deny interest on National TV a day before rejecting the offer; and
4. Doesn’t appear to be at all concerned with the negative impact his career flirtation has on 2021 recruiting?
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1. One who sees the truth, based on what Herman has done at Texas.
2. Being honest.
3. Probably feeling things out
4. Not his job to smooth the waters for Herman to recruit. You know what would have put these coaching rumors to bed? A B12 title, the one that Texas was favored to win at the start of the year. But apparently that's too much to ask for - gotta settle for some made up standard of "being in the conservation in December".
 
Handler said:
The fact that Herman is still the coach seems to suggest Bohl's is correct.
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I have seen the arguments for firing Herman before the KU game, but I just don't see Texas, with its highbrow self-image, doing something like that. He and you and everyone may be right. I'm just saying that is not an indication to me.
 
FWHORN said:
It is way too late to re litigate the end of the Mack Brown era but lets be absolutely clear, Mack was an outstanding coach and an even better person. He absolutely is the second greatest coach in school history and he deserves his own statue at DKR stadium. His ten year run from 2000 to 2009 is extraordinary and his five top five finishes, two NC appearances and one NC means he will always be a Texas legend regardless of the last few seasons of his tenure. I will always be a Mack Brown fan and always grateful for what he did at Texas and the incredible heights he had Texas at for such a sustained period.
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I agree, and you can agree to all that, and still think that he was tired, lazy, and needed to go at least 1 year before he was finally forced out. Happens to a lot of legacy coaches - Bowden, Paterno come to mind right at off the top.
 
theiioftx said:
Sir, I am sorry to inform you that you have cancer.

Oh my God, what do I do?

Well, we can completely cut it out. It will be painful, but it will be gone. Or, we can do nothing and come back next year to see how much worse it is. What’s your choice?
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While I appreciate the sentiment this isnt exactly the same thing. If it was as simple as firing Herman and not having to worry about replacing him Id agree. Perhaps a better analogy is you need an organ transplant. Sure you can remove the failing organ but you gotta replace it with another. Don't you want to make sure you have the right replacement before you rip out what you already have?
 
FWHORN said:
It is way too late to re litigate the end of the Mack Brown era but lets be absolutely clear, Mack was an outstanding coach and an even better person. He absolutely is the second greatest coach in school history and he deserves his own statue at DKR stadium. His ten year run from 2000 to 2009 is extraordinary and his five top five finishes, two NC appearances and one NC means he will always be a Texas legend regardless of the last few seasons of his tenure. I will always be a Mack Brown fan and always grateful for what he did at Texas and the incredible heights he had Texas at for such a sustained period.
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Amen and amen. Nobody at the time could have possibly appreciated how good Mack was at the job. Especially the personal/political side (which is just as important as the Xs and Os). Coach Brown resurrected the program and brought us back to national prominence. He deserves all the respect in the world.
 
Without the foolish contract extension, the stupidity of which still astounds me, Herman would only have 1 year left, so either cheap to buy out, or one more year for him to sing for his supper or hit the road after 2021 if no B12 title.

Now, with Meyer looking less likely, I think Texas is stuck with Herman and his 8-4 standard. It's not a bad record, but coupled with his general unpleasant self, makes for bitter pill to take.
 
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Duck Dodgers said:
1. One who sees the truth, based on what Herman has done at Texas.
2. Being honest.
3. Probably feeling things out
4. Not his job to smooth the waters for Herman to recruit. You know what would have put these coaching rumors to bed? A B12 title, the one that Texas was favored to win at the start of the year. But apparently that's too much to ask for - gotta settle for some made up standard of "being in the conservation in December".
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ISWYD: Excuse all of Urban’s behavior as though he’s not responsible for the consequences & dump all the responsibility on Herman and UT to make sure we don’t get jobbed by an egomaniac who happens to be a great coach.
 
Clean said:
Can't believe Scott Frost and The Pirate are already on the hot seat.

Nebraska screwed the pooch when they fired Frank Solich. He went 9-4, 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3 at Nebraska and they sacked him. They haven't been worth a damn since.
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We screwed the pooch when we fired mack brown. Now karma is biting our ***.
 
majorfan2005 said:
ISWYD: Excuse all of Urban’s behavior as though he’s not responsible for the consequences & dump all the responsibility on Herman and UT to make sure we don’t get jobbed by an egomaniac who happens to be a great coach.
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A TV talking head has zero responsibility for how his words affect the coaching tenure of a mediocre coach, who's won zero conference championships in four years. A single, simple B12 title, as was predicted for Texas this year, would have shut all that down. Continue to lose, as Herman has done this year, opens the door to talk of swapping out coaches.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
A TV talking head has zero responsibility for how his words affect the coaching tenure of a mediocre coach, who's won zero conference championships in four years. A single, simple B12 title, as was predicted for Texas this year, would have shut all that down. Continue to lose, as Herman has done this year, opens the door to talk of swapping out coaches.
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I didn’t express any concern for what happened to Herman. I’ve been pushing for Meyer. I do care about Urban’s blatant disregard for what his flirtation and rejection did to UT 2020 recruiting and the way he boosted interest in UT willingness to shop.
 
bystander said:
So...

Texas = Husband
Herman = Wife
Meyer = hot movida (mistress)

Husband say's he'll divorce wife and has been seen in public with movida. Movida say's, "Sorry, I was just in it for the sex" and Husband now has to make it up with wifey.

Big problem.

Also, this now seems to be a direct shot at Texas and maybe is the clue behind his moving on:

Urban Meyer Says The Fans Of Elite College Programs Are Crazy
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No. This isn't about personal relationships and who you want to spend you life with, it's a employment decision based on success, or lack of. Same as how you'd fire the fry guy who keeps burning the fries, if you could get the Master Fryer out of retirement, but he's not coming. So you're choices are the current doofus who burns 1/3 of the fries, costing you money, or hiring off the street, and who knows what you'll get then.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
No. This isn't about personal relationships and who you want to spend you life with, it's a employment decision based on success, or lack of. Same as how you'd fire the fry guy who keeps burning the fries, if you could get the Master Fryer out of retirement, but he's not coming. So you're choices are the current doofus who burns 1/3 of the fries, costing you money, or hiring off the street, and who knows what you'll get then.
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Not true. That’s why there are so many unwritten rules about when you can and can’t fire and offer towards end of season. There are human considerations to players, recruits, coaches.
 
horninchicago said:
Has there ever been a really successful coach who wasn't an egomaniac? Some may be more calm on the outside like Tom Landry, but they all have egos.
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That doesn’t mean we have to ever excuse it. I work with far too many people that think they are Gods. They make less than a 50th of Urban’s salary. That’s how you end up with Penn St and the Today show.
 
horninchicago said:
Has there ever been a really successful coach who wasn't an egomaniac? Some may be more calm on the outside like Tom Landry, but they all have egos.
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Every human being has an ego. An egomaniac is a different animal. Herman's hubris and immaturity are his impediments to having good judgement both on gameday and other days.

I never thought Tom Landry or DKR was an egomaniac.
 
majorfan2005 said:
Not true. That’s why there are so many unwritten rules about when you can and can’t fire and offer towards end of season. There are human considerations to players, recruits, coaches.
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Not that I've ever seen in 40 years of watching college football. I've seen guys fired after a few games, mid way in the season, after the season, before the bowl, after the bowl, all the combinations you want.

Coaches are often the worst - flat out lying to players and recruits about if they are leaving, then once the deal is done, skipping out under cover of the night and showing up all smiles and hugs at their new job.

But recruits change their minds and double cross coaches too. Now players can hop on the transfer portal and change teams during the season.

It's a highly competitive game for all - recruits, players, coaches, schools. Don't kid yourself into thinking there's some Pirate Code to it all.
 
Time for a BMD soul search.
Duck Dodgers said:
No. This isn't about personal relationships and who you want to spend you life with, it's a employment decision based on success, or lack of. Same as how you'd fire the fry guy who keeps burning the fries, if you could get the Master Fryer out of retirement, but he's not coming. So you're choices are the current doofus who burns 1/3 of the fries, costing you money, or hiring off the street, and who knows what you'll get then.
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I'm addressing the awkwardness. Herman surely knows what was happening and UT is being left at the altar as if Meghan Markle had done it to Harry in front of the world.

It's actually pretty bad. Because the wife is still the same one that has a big problem:

RECRUITING.
 
Those of you who aren't old enough to remember should know that there was pressure to dump DKR himself back in the mid-seventies. He took Texas football to heights it had never achieved. He won three NCs and had several near misses and still the boosters got restless after 5 straight losses to OU in 1971-1975 and then a tie in '76. I read that DKR threw up after that '76 game.

There was no doubt DKR was beaten down by 1976, but the pressure didn't help. Then after all he'd done, the last straw was that they didn't take his recommendation for his replacement. OU was smart enough to take Stoops suggestion of Lincoln Riley. That seems to have worked out well.

Anyway I probably wouldn't take the job either if I was in UM's position; rich, happy, and finally healthy. Who needs their ego stoked that badly.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
Why did he leave then?
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I'm not sure why Urban left Florida but there were (supposedly) health issues. Didn't take long and he was the head coach of Ohio State (believe he was born in Ohio). Started winning at his usual 85% clip and won a natty. Then he got suspended for one his assistant coaches' marital problems (yeah that's football related). Not long after that suspension was over he threw the game against Mizzou on a Thursday night, won the rest of his games including the bowl and said adios mo fo. One of the reasons I don't think he'll come to Texas is there's way too many people with money (and not) that will pester the hell out of UM about what color tie he wears, are his players nice to their girlfriends, do they own guns, etc etc and then (if he was head coach), we'd lose a game to mediocre u, and he'd announce his health issues are back and adios mo fo. There's folks out there who wonder if it's the hires Texas makes or Texas itself. I'm leaning towards Texas itself as the issue. Way too many off-the-field things that make us "T-sips". Oklahoma wins because they get a coach, get behind that coach, and only when that coach just cannot win (John Blake) is that coach run out. Texas has made the head coaching job a whole different animal, shaking hands and kissing babies. All of the universities who win don't do that crap. Until Texas ditches the politics, there won't be any Natty's and there'll continue to be few and far between conference titles.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
Not that I've ever seen in 40 years of watching college football. I've seen guys fired after a few games, mid way in the season, after the season, before the bowl, after the bowl, all the combinations you want.

Coaches are often the worst - flat out lying to players and recruits about if they are leaving, then once the deal is done, skipping out under cover of the night and showing up all smiles and hugs at their new job.

But recruits change their minds and double cross coaches too. Now players can hop on the transfer portal and change teams during the season.

It's a highly competitive game for all - recruits, players, coaches, schools. Don't kid yourself into thinking there's some Pirate Code to it all.
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Which universe do you wanna live in? Do you want there to be some semblance of order or just chaos abated by cojones? If it’s all up to the individual to make sure they don’t get screwed, why does the US allow lawsuits for damages instead of informing us to protect our own and suck it up if we get screwed.
 
caryhorn said:
Every human being has an ego. An egomaniac is a different animal. Herman's hubris and immaturity are his impediments to having good judgement both on gameday and other days.

I never thought Tom Landry or DKR was an egomaniac.
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Ironically, it seems to me as if Herman has an inferiority complex. He knows he doesn't really belong at this level. But his ego has settled in at egomania level because he compares himself to regular people. In that regard, he is a total success. A winner. He's rich and has a beautiful family. So that is his arrogance. Reporters, administrators, fans etc. are all the same. They are beneath him.

A person who knows he's arrived ("Act like you've been there before" DKR) doesn't have to act the way Herman does BEFORE having actually done anything of note at the HIGHEST level of his sport.
 
CaryHorn, please expound on your disagree. I wrote a bunch of things, and I don't think every one of those things is incorrect/wrong/disagreeable.....
 
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