Election Day

Joe Fan said:
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Whole lotta shaking goin' on....
 
OK. Who forgot to rig the election? ;)

Congratulations to POTUS-elect Donald Trump. He ran an extremely effective campaign and deserves massive credit for it. As hard as the election was to win without the support of his party, major media and major donors, Trump now has an harder challenge ahead of him. Governing. He's the POTUS and I respect the office and sincerely hope he can find the wherewithal to bring the dignity to the office required to successfully lead.

Clearly I'm out of touch with the Trump supporter thus endeavor to listen better.
 
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Seattle Husker said:
OK. Who forgot to rig the election? ;)

Congratulations to POTUS-elect Donald Trump. He ran an extremely effective campaign and deserves massive credit for it. As hard as the election won without the support of his party, major media and major donors, Trump now has an harder challenge ahead of him. Governing. He's the POTUS and I respect the office and sincerely hope he can find the wherewithal to bring the dignity to the office required to successfully lead.

Clearly I'm out of touch with the Trump supporter thus endeavor to listen better.
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Nice post. I have disagreed silently with many of your posts, but this is a touch of class.
 
Seattle Husker said:
OK. Who forgot to rig the election? ;).....
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Look at the polling -- they all had HRC winning, except for the two I noted above
Then try to explain it

Here is how I explain it -- confirmation bias and corruption. It was an attempt to subvert democracy by convincing potential Trump voters that it was over and they should not even bother going to the polls on election day. And they probably got some potential voters this way. Think about folks who got home from work late and only had a little time to hustle off to the booth -- you are tired and the kids want to eat -- some of these voters probably said "screw it, Hillary has it anyway." This is voter suppresion.

This industry needs to be blown up
 
Joe Fan said:
People trashed LA Times/USC poll regularly in here -- the LA Times even ran an article attacking their own poll - lol
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To be fair, they were off too. The popular vote is locked in at 48-48 which is not what they predicted.
 
Wisconsin kinda interesting -- Trump won by 1.0%, which might have been biggest shocker of the night. Had not voted GOP since the Reagan 1984 landslide.

Bush 2004 - 1,478,120
Romney 2012 - 1,410,966
Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

Looks like Hill just could not rally the Dems there

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But check out some of these other states

 
Obama received 828,940 votes in Iowa in 2008.
HRC received 652,437 in 2016.
21.3% plunge
Staggering
 
Mr. Deez said:
Are we totally sure that it wasn't?
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If it was it wasn't effective. So far any/all evidence of voter fraud has been anecdotal. Reports of "voting machine switched my vote" have turned out to be user errors. Other voting challenges so far appear to be technical or human process glitches.

Let me address the polls. Did these polls purposely skew their results? To say that's true is to assume they would sacrifice their credibility for $$. Do we really think the Marquette poll which is considered the "gold standard" for polls in Wisconsin purposely skewed their poll? I think it's more likely they had flawed methodology or simply mchammer was correct in that they couldn't account for a reverse Bradley effect. Maybe coupled with that was implicit bias that everyone but the Trump supporters were unaware of. Does that equate to "rigged"?
 
Trump won Ohio by 8.6%.
Greatest for any candidate in the state since 1988 (when George HW Bush won by 10.8%)
 
Good speech by Hillary

"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."
 
LA TIMES will be a poll I'll be looking at and valuing for the future of pollings.
 
Joe Fan said:
Wisconsin kinda interesting -- Trump won by 1.0%, which might have been biggest shocker of the night. Had not voted GOP since the Reagan 1984 landslide.

Bush 2004 - 1,478,120
Romney 2012 - 1,410,966
Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

Looks like Hill just could not rally the Dems there

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But check out some of these other states

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It's likely that Trump will actually net fewer votes than Mitt Romney in 2012. Right now Trump trails Romney by ~1.5M with the last remaining votes still to be counted. HRC on the other hand netted ~5.5M less than Obama in 2012.

As I told my wife last night, HRC was uninspiring and has been that way her entire career going back to being first lady of Arkansas. Layer on the self-inflicted wounds of the private email server and she was a deeply flawed candidate that likely played right into the narrative of the type of politician that middle-America wanted out of D.C.
 
The one part of that speech that I didnt like was her unspoken idea that the first female president will come in as a Dem

I disagree with this. I have maintained for two decades now that she will be a conservative.
She will be tough. Very tough. She will not be a whiner or an excuse maker.
An American Thatcher
 
Seattle Husker said:
If it was it wasn't effective. So far any/all evidence of voter fraud has been anecdotal. Reports of "voting machine switched my vote" have turned out to be user errors. Other voting challenges so far appear to be technical or human process glitches.

Let me address the polls. Did these polls purposely skew their results? To say that's true is to assume they would sacrifice their credibility for $$. Do we really think the Marquette poll which is considered the "gold standard" for polls in Wisconsin purposely skewed their poll? I think it's more likely they had flawed methodology or simply mchammer was correct in that they couldn't account for a reverse Bradley effect. Maybe coupled with that was implicit bias that everyone but the Trump supporters were unaware of. Does that equate to "rigged"?
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I meant are we sure it wasn't rigged by the Trump people? Lol.
 
Seattle Husker said:
If it was it wasn't effective. So far any/all evidence of voter fraud has been anecdotal. Reports of "voting machine switched my vote" have turned out to be user errors. Other voting challenges so far appear to be technical or human process glitches.

Let me address the polls. Did these polls purposely skew their results? To say that's true is to assume they would sacrifice their credibility for $$. Do we really think the Marquette poll which is considered the "gold standard" for polls in Wisconsin purposely skewed their poll? I think it's more likely they had flawed methodology or simply mchammer was correct in that they couldn't account for a reverse Bradley effect. Maybe coupled with that was implicit bias that everyone but the Trump supporters were unaware of. Does that equate to "rigged"?
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I agree. Clearly, the polls were way off. There are lots of possible reasons, but intentional skewing seems like a long shot.

I heard an interesting discussion on NPR yesterday morning suggesting one possible reason. A guest pointed out that survey-participation rates have plummeted. I don't remember the stats exactly, but it was that more than half (60%?) of people they called a decade ago were willing to talk, but it is under one-third now. Perhaps Trump callers disproportionately refused to talk to the pollsters?
 
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