Disaster in OHIO ... cue CSN&Y

[AC]

The cleanup will last years!

 

[AC]

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

They’ve found dead birds (hundreds per acre) 350 miles away. These effects will be there for a long time.

Ten years from now mchammer can watch Erin Brockovich II and get back to us

 

[mchammer]

The cleanup will last years!

Like in the gulf after deep water horizon?

 

[AC]

No chemicals found in well water. This article mentions the monitoring of chemicals in surface waters:

Ohio Train Derailment: Toxic Chemicals and Distrust Remain in East Palestine — The Wall Street Journal

Residents in the 5 towns downstream of East Palestine will not touch their well water. Many locals are moving out and never returning. The whole region is expected to die financially from people moving out. It’s unlivable! From a reporter in East Palestine interviewing residents all week. This is another Camp Lejuhn. Many are afraid water table will be undrinkable for years in the region. No MSM coverage. Just one independent journalist. So it’s no wonder nobody knows how bad it really is. He could smell the VCM odor 20 miles in all directions.

 

[AC]

Biden shut down all pipeline projects in the US as soon as he was “President”!
Pipelines are 100X safer for transport of hazardous materials.
He refused all aid to Ohio.
But he has given Ukraine $100Billion, most of it is laundered back to dirty politicians.
Don’t be surprised by MSM ignoring East Palestine.
They’re owned by the same group that owns Biden!

 

[AC]

VCM is not crude oil! Crude will breakdown into natural elements in salt water, 100% agree. VCM breaks down into phosgene, HCL, Sulfuric Acid:

 

[AC]

Oh and in water, phosgene breaks down into formaldehyde.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

and formaldehyde (aka methanal) isn't a big hairy deal unless you are dealing with significant concentrations (as in embalming). It is used in many processes and is released into our wastewater systems on a regular basis, where it is easily treated.

I am not minimizing the serious impact of the derailment, but let's not go overboard into pointless scare tactics, please.

Formaldehyde

Environmentally, formaldehyde may be found in the atmosphere, smoke from fires, automobile exhaust and cigarette smoke. Small amounts are produced during normal metabolic processes in most organisms, including humans.

Formaldehyde is naturally produced in small amounts in our bodies. It is used in the production of fertilizer, paper, plywood, and urea-formaldehyde resins. It is also used as a preservative in some foods and in many products used around the house, such as antiseptics, medicines, and cosmetics.

 

[AC]

 

[Horn6721]

Trump announces he is going to East Palestine.
FEMA suddenly announces aid.

 

[AC]

 

[AC]

and formaldehyde (aka methanal) isn't a big hairy deal unless you are dealing with significant concentrations (as in embalming). It is used in many processes and is released into our wastewater systems on a regular basis, where it is easily treated.


I am not minimizing the serious impact of the derailment, but let's not go overboard into pointless scare tactics, please.

Formaldehyde

Compared to phosgene, HCL, and Sulfuric Acid it is more tame. Water samples can be tested for toxicology. I’ve tested water at environmental labs 5000 times it takes 2-3 days. Borings to test the water table can be done, pump and treat plus soil remediation as well. Can’t do that without funding though!

 

[AC]

 

[Facing Addiction]

Gee, I wonder how this could have happened........

 

[Horn6721]

Who is responsible for maintenance of railroad tracks?

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Compared to phosgene, HCL, and Sulfuric Acid it is more tame. Water samples can be tested for toxicology. I’ve tested water at environmental labs 5000 times it takes 2-3 days. Borings to test the water table can be done, pump and treat plus soil remediation as well. Can’t do that without funding though!

First job I had after college was in an environmental lab, testing inorganic contaminants. I helped out in the organic prep room too, but my main job was heavy metal contaminants.

 

[Horn6721]

Biden Admin tried to blame Trump saying if he hadn't rescinded the requirement for trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes.
1. If it such an important reg why didn't Biden reinstate?
2. But most importantly that reg would not have applied to this train load.

Since railroads themselves are responsible for maintenance of tracks I hope they get sued big time

 

[nashhorn]

No doubt you are correct Sanger but I sure would not want to drink it, or know I was drinking it in any quantity. I remember from in college the smell I could not get out of my nostrils after comparative anatomy lab, I took the class and worked in the lab a few semesters, ruined my sense of smell for the next few years.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Something tells me the next election cycle will certainly go R in Ohio.

 

[Monahorns]

Good thing the EPA exists and the Democrats control the whole Federal apparatus. They all love the environment.

 

[mchammer]

VCM is not crude oil! Crude will breakdown into natural elements in salt water, 100% agree. VCM breaks down into phosgene, HCL, Sulfuric Acid:

HCl and Sulfuric Acid are natural chemicals that are digested every day as chlorides and sulfates.

 

[mchammer]

Too lazy to do water analysis?

 

[mchammer]

Residents in the 5 towns downstream of East Palestine will not touch their well water. Many locals are moving out and never returning. The whole region is expected to die financially from people moving out. It’s unlivable! From a reporter in East Palestine interviewing residents all week. This is another Camp Lejuhn. Many are afraid water table will be undrinkable for years in the region. No MSM coverage. Just one independent journalist. So it’s no wonder nobody knows how bad it really is. He could smell the VCM odor 20 miles in all directions.

Why is it so hard to get a water analysis?

 

[nashhorn]

Holy crap Mc now you’re saying it’s ok to drink H2SO4, sulfuric acid? My guess is you’re saying down into ppm I’m sure. I do agree that I’m curious why we’re not seeing a plethora of water analysis data.

 

[Horn6721]

I admit when I saw CSN&Y I first thought it was a railroad company.

 

[AC]

HCl and Sulfuric Acid are natural chemicals that are digested every day as chlorides and sulfates.

You obviously don’t know much about this. They dumped 10K to 15K gallons of VCM directly into a creek upstream of the Ohio River. I will find out lab results. Since my company had six environmental permits encompassing air and water and my lawyers and I dealt with the EPA nationwide. I ran the mfg operation over 10 years as the owner! I know this is really bad. You can keep being a keyboard warrior. Lab results that really matter will take a while. Boring sample results. They have to contract an environmental consultant. Likely a multi month process.

 

[Chop]

Gee, I wonder how this could have happened........

Wait a minute...

Is he saying Ohio is not a 3rd World country...?

 

[Monahorns]

Monomer is super reactive too. That means it is interacting with things at a horrific pace. The other problem is there is a Cl atom on the molecule which is toxic on its own. When it is polymerized or bound up with other components it is 0 problem. Think of shower curtains. But the monomer is super horrible. Butane is just Carbon and Hydrogen but releasing thousands of pounds of monomer will cause a huge explosion and fire.

 

[mchammer]

Monomer is super reactive too. That means it is interacting with things at a horrific pace. The other problem is there is a Cl atom on the molecule which is toxic on its own. When it is polymerized or bound up with other components it is 0 problem. Think of shower curtains. But the monomer is super horrible. Butane is just Carbon and Hydrogen but releasing thousands of pounds of monomer will cause a huge explosion and fire.

Or gets washed away and diluted like the government agencies are saying.