Death toll in Texas elementary school; 18 children, 2 adults killed

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OUBubba said:
Lol. I watched Sixteen Candles this weekend. This reminds me of the geek explaining that he’s kind of king of the shitheads. Compare to our contemporaries - UK, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, etc.
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Which of those countries share a porous 2000 mile border with a failed drug cartel state? The US has specific challenges that those other countries do not.
 
theiioftx said:
I can guarantee he played violent video games as it seems all males under 30 play them addictively.

I got my nephew a job and let him live with me to get started. He would often stay up all night playing violent games. Didn’t drink or do any drugs, but he was definitely addicted to his Xbox.
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Sounds like a stepson of mine, to a tee. Personality changed, not for the better.
 
So I was posting at t ball with no glasses. Did Ulvade defund their police? It appears they were funded well enough to keep parents from going in to try to save their kids. Disgusting.
 
They had four officers funded to cover eight schools. The first ones who arrived and tried to get him were all shot. The back door of the school was unlocked.

And the murderer was reported to police four years ago due to threatening to shoot up the school. The background check did not catch that - so again, no amount of background checks will work with liberal policies of expunging minor's records etc.
 
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theiioftx said:
They had four officers funded to cover eight schools. The first ones who arrived and tried to get him were all shot. The back door of the school was unlocked.

And the murderer was reported to police four years ago due to threatening to shoot up the school. The background check did not catch that so again, no amount of background checks will work with liberal policies of expunging minor's records etc.
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A report this AM says the kids arrested for the threat did NOT include THIS shooter.

So again, it comes back to LET THE INVESTIGATION DO ITS THING. Quit jumping on every sound bite that comes out from a talking head because several have ALREADY been debunked and it has not even been 72 hours.

As to background checks, I really do NOT believe rational people want an 'allegation' without an adjudication or conviction to be a disqualifier. Otherwise, you will see a whole lot of people disqualified because SusieQ decided to call the po-po on their cheating B/F or husband. Never mind that the arrest is almost automatic for the male and never mind that it may never result in a conviction...
 
So, the countries with lower death rates by gun than the US are so wonderful otherwise that their citizens won't walk their families thousands of miles with the hope of getting into Wild West good ole Us of A with its gun touting MAGA nuts. That's good to know.
 
mb227 said:
What is inexcusable is the incessant demands that agencies know less than 48 hours later what went right and what went wrong. There is a reason DPS Incident Response reports run more than a hundred pages. I've seen more than one report prepared by the Rangers, and even drug buy-busts have been known to run 30-40 pages. They need time to review ALL of the audio that exists and ALL of the video that exists.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
 
Horn6721 said:
BOSD
And if it turns out officers were IN THE BUILDING but couldnt get the right angle for over an hour?
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It seems a lot of Border Agents had kids at that school.

We still don't know how he got in.
If that school is like most today you enter a secure lobby where you identify yourself to someone behind bullet proof glass.
All other doors cannot be entered from the outside.
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you don't wait for the "right angle". I'm not SWAT but I've trained with them. LEO's have techniques to breach rooms even when they suspect there is a gun on the other side and even when they suspect that there is a hostage on the other side. It doesn't ensure a good outcome but it is a heck of lot better than waiting for someone to shoot 19 kids and two teachers. Being a LEO is a dangerous job sometimes. If you don't have the stomach for it then quit drawing the paycheck and move on.
 
OUBubba said:
Well that porous border is with a country that has a lower gun violence rate than ours.

Gun Deaths by Country 2022
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Perfect example of how liberals manipulate statistics to mislead. Take suicides out and you will see that Mexico has a significantly higher gun crime rate than the US. I also suspect gun crimes in Mexico are significantly underreported due to the strong influence of the drug cartels over law enforcement.

Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. There is only one gun store in the entire country. It's the shining star of counterproductive gun control laws.
 
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Let me lay this out for you.

Jason Whitlock is suggesting the delay in action by the police in Uvalde on their being persecuted so much. The usual shrieks and arrogant attacks are posted in the article. This article was on Yahoo this morning. Not saying Jason is correct but the musing is based upon things we've all thought and said: The police will lose all incentive to risk their lives if second guessing and punishment is their reward. Even if they used excessive force.

Former ESPN Journalist's Excuse For Uvalde Police Inaction Shocks Twitter Users

Same Yahoo homepage and we have this. Biden ordered this and you can see the quote below. But the headline mentions mass shootings.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/enough-biden-decrying-mass-shootings-221128202.html

"The order, which Biden acknowledged is no substitute for more far-reaching reforms that only Congress can enact, directs all federal agencies to revise their use-of-force policies, creates a national registry of officers fired for misconduct and provides grants to incentivize state and local police departments to strengthen restrictions on chokeholds and no-knock warrants."

@OUBubba

Can you not see the problem with the politics at the highest level (the defund the police and punish the police movement) and the media/Liberal commenters?
 
Another thing I'm seeing.

Liberals are saying if you are pro-life (at any point in the life of a baby in the womb) then you should be anti-gun.

So isn't the inverse that if you are pro-death (abortion) then you should be pro-gun?
 
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The arguments about gun violence in Mexico means nothing.

We have no compelling national interest to allow the border to be so porous. Period.

That is the argument. It is the law. We have enough problems of our own.
 
bystander said:
Another thing I'm seeing.

Liberals are saying if you are pro-life (at any point in the life of a baby in the womb) then you should be anti-gun.

So isn't the inverse that if you are pro-death (abortion) then you should be pro-gun?
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It’s a silly argument. People own guns to protect themselves. Guns also saves lives. The problem is that we have violent society. Libs look past the issue.
 
bystander said:
Let me lay this out for you.

Jason Whitlock is suggesting the delay in action by the police in Uvalde on their being persecuted so much. The usual shrieks and arrogant attacks are posted in the article. This article was on Yahoo this morning. Not saying Jason is correct but the musing is based upon things we've all thought and said: The police will lose all incentive to risk their lives if second guessing and punishment is their reward. Even if they used excessive force.

Former ESPN Journalist's Excuse For Uvalde Police Inaction Shocks Twitter Users

Same Yahoo homepage and we have this. Biden ordered this and you can see the quote below. But the headline mentions mass shootings.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/enough-biden-decrying-mass-shootings-221128202.html

"The order, which Biden acknowledged is no substitute for more far-reaching reforms that only Congress can enact, directs all federal agencies to revise their use-of-force policies, creates a national registry of officers fired for misconduct and provides grants to incentivize state and local police departments to strengthen restrictions on chokeholds and no-knock warrants."

@OUBubba

Can you not see the problem with the politics at the highest level (the defund the police and punish the police movement) and the media/Liberal commenters?
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I’m saying if defund the police is the problem, as was implied by posters in this thread, then if ulvade police weren’t defunded then, politely, that is a poor argument.
 
UTChE96 said:
Perfect example of how liberals manipulate statistics to mislead. Take suicides out and you will see that Mexico has a significantly higher gun crime rate than the US. I also suspect gun crimes in Mexico are significantly underreported due to the strong influence of the drug cartels over law enforcement.

Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. There is only one gun store in the entire country. It's the shining star of counterproductive gun control laws.
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Suicide deaths are, you know, deaths. They’re a huge problem as well. They sometimes come with murders too.
 
OUBubba said:
I’m saying if defund the police is the problem, as was implied by posters in this thread, then if ulvade police weren’t defunded then, politely, that is a poor argument.
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I have no idea what the situation was down there (manpower, funds, courage). It's a small town. At some point somebody shot the monster. Funding doesn't guarantee a hero. Cutting funding might guarantee there won't be.
 
bystander said:
I have no idea what the situation was down there. At some point somebody shot the monster. Funding doesn't guarantee a hero. Cutting funding guarantees there won't be.
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But THEY DID NOT DEFUND! Complete red herring to even mention it.
 
OUBubba said:
Suicide deaths are, you know, deaths. They’re a huge problem as well. They sometimes come with murders too.
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Our problem here now appears to be that people who once would have just committed suicide are now wanting to take people with them.

That monster was the same as a Kamikaze or a terrorist with a bomb vest. They are willing to die. It's tough to stop them.
 
mb227 said:
A report this AM says the kids arrested for the threat did NOT include THIS shooter.

So again, it comes back to LET THE INVESTIGATION DO ITS THING. Quit jumping on every sound bite that comes out from a talking head because several have ALREADY been debunked and it has not even been 72 hours.

As to background checks, I really do NOT believe rational people want an 'allegation' without an adjudication or conviction to be a disqualifier. Otherwise, you will see a whole lot of people disqualified because SusieQ decided to call the po-po on their cheating B/F or husband. Never mind that the arrest is almost automatic for the male and never mind that it may never result in a conviction...
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While I agree, I think you are talking the Donna incident. I’m hearing the Uvalde ahole was previously reported.
 
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