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I just made it apples to apples. You’re trying to compare blueberries to grapefruit.

Ok you do realize I used your numbers and the articles numbers. They were both apples to apples. You can scale math, you should scaled it to a billion. And then freak out.

You are letting your feelings get into the numbers. I was just giving a percentage. The article made it apples to apples, you did hard cyphering. If I going to give math theory then I want OU to pay me.
 
Ok you do realize I used your numbers and the articles numbers. They were both apples to apples. You can scale math, you should scaled it to a billion. And then freak out.

You are letting your feelings get into the numbers. I was just giving a percentage. The article made it apples to apples, you did hard cyphering. If I going to give math theory then I want OU to pay me.
Whatevs. And I thought you were an ok motherscratcher until now. Laterz. [edited due to my profanity. Don Lemon and Chris had me all melancholy tonight and in my white zin]
 
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Who’s Really Being Hospitalized?

We don’t have accurate numbers,” insists Dr. James Neuenschwander, an expert on vaccine safety based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

But what we do know, Neuenschwander says, is that the vaccines are not as effective as public health officials told us they would be. “This is a product that’s not doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s supposed to stop transmission of this virus and it’s not doing that.”

Overcounting COVID

Then there is the problem of attributing severe illness and deaths from other causes to COVID, like in my friend’s case. Health authorities around the world have been doing this since the beginning of the COVID crisis. For example, a young man in Orange County, Florida who died in a motorcycle crash last summer was originally considered a COVID death by state health officials (after Fox News investigation the classification was changed.) And a middle-aged construction worker fell off a ladder in Croatia and was also counted as a death from COVID (whether having COVID played a role in his death is still unclear.)

To muddy the waters further, even people who test negative for COVID are sometimes counted as COVID deaths.

Consider the case of 26-year-old Matthew Irvin, a father of three from Yamhill County, Oregon. As reported by KGW8 News, Irvin went to the ER with stomach pain, nausea, and diarrhea on July 5, 2020. But instead of admitting him to the hospital, the doctors sent him home.

Five days later, on July 10, 2020, Irvin died. Though his COVID test came back negative two days after his death and his family told reporters and public health officials that no one Irvin had been around had any COVID symptoms, the medical examiner allegedly told the family that an autopsy was not necessary, listing his death as a coronavirus case. It took the Oregon Health Authority two and a half months to correct the mistake.

In an even more striking example of overcounting COVID deaths, a nursing home in New Jersey that only has 90 beds was wrongly reported as having 753 deaths from COVID. According to a spokesman, they had fewer than twenty deaths. In other words, the number of deaths was over-reported by 3,700 percent.

Who’s Suffering from Severe COVID, Vaccinated or Unvaccinated?

In countries with the highest numbers of vaccinated individuals, we are also seeing high numbers of infections. Iceland has one of the most vaccinated populations in the world (over 82 percent) and is reporting that 77 percent of new COVID cases are in fully vaccinated Icelanders, according to Ásthildur Knútsdóttir, Director General of the Ministry of Health.

According to news reports, over 85 percent of the Israeli adult population has been vaccinated. But a July report from Israel’s Ministry of Health found that Pfizer’s vaccine is only 39 percent effective. Though Israeli health officials are telling the public that the cases are more mild in vaccinated individuals, this upsurge in COVID cases and deaths is leading Israel’s prime minister to issue new restrictions.

Dr. Peter McCullough, an academic internist and cardiologist in practice in Dallas, Texas, says that a large number of people in the hospitals right now have, indeed, been fully vaccinated. “Fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized, and … 19 percent of them have died,” McCullough says. “This is not a crisis of the unvaccinated. That’s just a talking point. The vaccinated are participating in this.”

Other physicians are seeing the same thing. “In my practice multiple patients who are fully vaccinated have been admitted to local hospitals,” says Dr. Jeffrey I. Barke, a board-certified primary care physician based in Newport Beach, California. Barke believes part of the problem is exaggeration of the efficacy: “If the vaccine works so well, why are we now pushing a booster?”
 
Who’s Really Being Hospitalized?

We don’t have accurate numbers,” insists Dr. James Neuenschwander, an expert on vaccine safety based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

But what we do know, Neuenschwander says, is that the vaccines are not as effective as public health officials told us they would be. “This is a product that’s not doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s supposed to stop transmission of this virus and it’s not doing that.”

Overcounting COVID

Then there is the problem of attributing severe illness and deaths from other causes to COVID, like in my friend’s case. Health authorities around the world have been doing this since the beginning of the COVID crisis. For example, a young man in Orange County, Florida who died in a motorcycle crash last summer was originally considered a COVID death by state health officials (after Fox News investigation the classification was changed.) And a middle-aged construction worker fell off a ladder in Croatia and was also counted as a death from COVID (whether having COVID played a role in his death is still unclear.)

To muddy the waters further, even people who test negative for COVID are sometimes counted as COVID deaths.

Consider the case of 26-year-old Matthew Irvin, a father of three from Yamhill County, Oregon. As reported by KGW8 News, Irvin went to the ER with stomach pain, nausea, and diarrhea on July 5, 2020. But instead of admitting him to the hospital, the doctors sent him home.

Five days later, on July 10, 2020, Irvin died. Though his COVID test came back negative two days after his death and his family told reporters and public health officials that no one Irvin had been around had any COVID symptoms, the medical examiner allegedly told the family that an autopsy was not necessary, listing his death as a coronavirus case. It took the Oregon Health Authority two and a half months to correct the mistake.

In an even more striking example of overcounting COVID deaths, a nursing home in New Jersey that only has 90 beds was wrongly reported as having 753 deaths from COVID. According to a spokesman, they had fewer than twenty deaths. In other words, the number of deaths was over-reported by 3,700 percent.

Who’s Suffering from Severe COVID, Vaccinated or Unvaccinated?

In countries with the highest numbers of vaccinated individuals, we are also seeing high numbers of infections. Iceland has one of the most vaccinated populations in the world (over 82 percent) and is reporting that 77 percent of new COVID cases are in fully vaccinated Icelanders, according to Ásthildur Knútsdóttir, Director General of the Ministry of Health.

According to news reports, over 85 percent of the Israeli adult population has been vaccinated. But a July report from Israel’s Ministry of Health found that Pfizer’s vaccine is only 39 percent effective. Though Israeli health officials are telling the public that the cases are more mild in vaccinated individuals, this upsurge in COVID cases and deaths is leading Israel’s prime minister to issue new restrictions.

Dr. Peter McCullough, an academic internist and cardiologist in practice in Dallas, Texas, says that a large number of people in the hospitals right now have, indeed, been fully vaccinated. “Fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized, and … 19 percent of them have died,” McCullough says. “This is not a crisis of the unvaccinated. That’s just a talking point. The vaccinated are participating in this.”

Other physicians are seeing the same thing. “In my practice multiple patients who are fully vaccinated have been admitted to local hospitals,” says Dr. Jeffrey I. Barke, a board-certified primary care physician based in Newport Beach, California. Barke believes part of the problem is exaggeration of the efficacy: “If the vaccine works so well, why are we now pushing a booster?”

Yeah, they're lying their asses off. I wouldn't be surprised if we're similar to Israel with 50% of the vaccinated taking up the ICU.
 
Those lab tests are lying. Nice logic there. That's up there with some of the Maricopa BS.

Yeah, they haven't lied to us about anything. LOL! I hope you're a good sport when fraud is proven in Arizona. However, I'm sure you'll cling to MSM BS as your comfort pillow.
 
Those lab tests are lying. Nice logic there. That's up there with some of the Maricopa BS.

Who can believe anything YOU put out? It's all political now, coming from this administration. FDA just lost two respected leaders over being pressured to approve booster shots.... leaked conversation with the AFG leader where Biden wants to spread lies and misinformation regarding the taliban's imminent takeover.... every American that wants out of AFG, is home.
It's all ********, man. If you want to own it it's on you
 
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Who’s Really Being Hospitalized?

We don’t have accurate numbers,” insists Dr. James Neuenschwander, an expert on vaccine safety based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

But what we do know, Neuenschwander says, is that the vaccines are not as effective as public health officials told us they would be. “This is a product that’s not doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s supposed to stop transmission of this virus and it’s not doing that.”

Overcounting COVID

Then there is the problem of attributing severe illness and deaths from other causes to COVID, like in my friend’s case. Health authorities around the world have been doing this since the beginning of the COVID crisis. For example, a young man in Orange County, Florida who died in a motorcycle crash last summer was originally considered a COVID death by state health officials (after Fox News investigation the classification was changed.) And a middle-aged construction worker fell off a ladder in Croatia and was also counted as a death from COVID (whether having COVID played a role in his death is still unclear.)

To muddy the waters further, even people who test negative for COVID are sometimes counted as COVID deaths.

Consider the case of 26-year-old Matthew Irvin, a father of three from Yamhill County, Oregon. As reported by KGW8 News, Irvin went to the ER with stomach pain, nausea, and diarrhea on July 5, 2020. But instead of admitting him to the hospital, the doctors sent him home.

Five days later, on July 10, 2020, Irvin died. Though his COVID test came back negative two days after his death and his family told reporters and public health officials that no one Irvin had been around had any COVID symptoms, the medical examiner allegedly told the family that an autopsy was not necessary, listing his death as a coronavirus case. It took the Oregon Health Authority two and a half months to correct the mistake.

In an even more striking example of overcounting COVID deaths, a nursing home in New Jersey that only has 90 beds was wrongly reported as having 753 deaths from COVID. According to a spokesman, they had fewer than twenty deaths. In other words, the number of deaths was over-reported by 3,700 percent.

Who’s Suffering from Severe COVID, Vaccinated or Unvaccinated?

In countries with the highest numbers of vaccinated individuals, we are also seeing high numbers of infections. Iceland has one of the most vaccinated populations in the world (over 82 percent) and is reporting that 77 percent of new COVID cases are in fully vaccinated Icelanders, according to Ásthildur Knútsdóttir, Director General of the Ministry of Health.

According to news reports, over 85 percent of the Israeli adult population has been vaccinated. But a July report from Israel’s Ministry of Health found that Pfizer’s vaccine is only 39 percent effective. Though Israeli health officials are telling the public that the cases are more mild in vaccinated individuals, this upsurge in COVID cases and deaths is leading Israel’s prime minister to issue new restrictions.

Dr. Peter McCullough, an academic internist and cardiologist in practice in Dallas, Texas, says that a large number of people in the hospitals right now have, indeed, been fully vaccinated. “Fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized, and … 19 percent of them have died,” McCullough says. “This is not a crisis of the unvaccinated. That’s just a talking point. The vaccinated are participating in this.”

Other physicians are seeing the same thing. “In my practice multiple patients who are fully vaccinated have been admitted to local hospitals,” says Dr. Jeffrey I. Barke, a board-certified primary care physician based in Newport Beach, California. Barke believes part of the problem is exaggeration of the efficacy: “If the vaccine works so well, why are we now pushing a booster?”

The insanity is complete. Epoch Times, a propaganda arm of the anti-China religious org Falun Gong, is now being cited as "truth". It's being used to call government agencies, not partisan medical personnel and long established media entity liars. Do y'all recognize how ******* crazy that is? You are literally citing a propaganda site, a blog. Have y'all lost your minds? Do you not have any ability to discern the media sources you confirm or it the only goal to get confirmation on your beliefs thus even unscrupulous cites like Epoch Times will do. That's braindead. It's lugenpresse realized. It's an invented reality.

I'm not saying there isn't some truth in this or other extremist site articles. Generally speaking, there is always a thread of truth that is then extrapolated and analyzed to absurd proportions to serve a predetermined narrative and ultimately losing the context of the original thread. It's a truth wrapped in misinformation. Information that is typically easily disproven from official sites if the reader cares to validate the information. Unfortunately, more often the reader never validates the information. They simply run with it. That's ignorant at best and more nefarious at worst.
 
Here we go again. If it's not in the MSM it's a conspiracy theory! It's amazing how people are constantly lied to and still believe what they hear from them. The media you libs idolize is nothing more than a branch of the democrat party. I'm really tired of being lectured by people who haven't been right about a damn thing since I've been here but yet think they have all of the answers.
 
Here we go again. If it's not in the MSM it's a conspiracy theory! It's amazing how people are constantly lied to and still believe what they hear from them. The media you libs idolize is nothing more than a branch of the democrat party. I'm really tired of being lectured by people who haven't been right about a damn thing since I've been here but yet think they have all of the answers.

If no reputable news sources are publishing what your spewing then you may want to look in the mirror because this is you. Yes, there are mainstream conservative sites. If you have to go to a propaganda blog to get news that backs your narrative then the issue isn't the media but the media consumer.

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If no reputable news sources are publishing what your spewing then you may want to look in the mirror because this is you. Yes, there are mainstream conservative sites. If you have to go to a propaganda blog to get news that backs your narrative then the issue isn't the media but the media consumer.

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Dude, the **** you listen to is propaganda. As far as I'm concerned you don't have a right to tell anyone whose news is "reputable". Keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.
 
Dude, the **** you listen to is propaganda. As far as I'm concerned you don't have a right to tell anyone whose news is "reputable". Keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

Keep saying that...everything that doesn't fit your narrative is "propaganda" of FAKE NEWS which you've screamed incessantly for the last few years.

Here are all the ties of Epoch Times to Falun Gong:

History and relation to Falun Gong
The Epoch Times was founded in 2000 by John Tang and other Chinese Americans affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[27] Tang was a graduate student in Georgia at the time; he began the newspaper in his basement.[21] The founders said they were responding to censorship inside China and a lack of international understanding about the Chinese government's repression of Falun Gong.[28][29]

By 2003, The Epoch Times website and group of newspapers had grown into one of the largest Chinese-language news sites and newspaper groups outside China, with local editions in the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Indonesia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and major Western European countries.[30] The first English edition launched online in 2003, followed by the New York print edition in 2004.[citation needed]

Nick Couldry and James Curran wrote in 2003 that the paper represents a "major step in the evolution of Falun Gong-related alternative media", and may be part of a de facto media alliance with democracy activists in exile.[31] In 2003 sociologist Yuezhi Zhao wrote that the paper "displays an indisputable ideological and organizational affinity with Falun Gong" and that it strongly emphasizes negative portrayals of the Chinese government and positive portrayals of Falun Gong. Per Zhao, Epoch portrays itself as neutral, independent, and public-interest oriented.[30]

In 2005, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that "three new U.S.-based, Chinese-language media outlets that provide provocative reporting about the Communist Party, government oppression and social unrest in China (namely The Epoch Times, Sound of Hope, and NTDTV) have ties to the Falun Gong spiritual movement." When interviewed, executives at each outlet claimed they did not represent the Falun Gong movement as a whole.[20]

Associated Press reporter Nahal Toosi wrote in 2006 that it is "technically inaccurate" to say that Falun Gong owns The Epoch Times, although many of the newspaper's staffers are Falun Gong practitioners.[32] Toosi noted "many observers" have said Falun Gong uses the newspaper for its public relations campaigns, and the paper is connected with the group and carries sympathetic coverage of it.[32][33][34][35][36]

The English Epoch Times chair Stephen Gregory denied in 2006 that Epoch Times is directly connected to Falun Gong.[32] Independent reporters in the US repeatedly confirm the connection.[18][21]

In 2008, David Ownby, director of the Center for East Asian Studies at the Université de Montréal and the author of Falun Gong and the Future of China, said the newspaper is set up by Falun Gong practitioners with their own money.[37] He described The Epoch Times as wishing to be taken seriously as a global newspaper rather than being judged on the basis of its strong association with Falun Gong.[37][38] He wrote: "Epoch Times is a newspaper with a mission, that of reporting on issues bearing on human rights throughout the world, which allows for considerable focus on China and Falun Gong."[39]

Canadian scholar Clement Tong wrote[33][40][41][42][43] The Epoch Times "operates as a mouthpiece for" Falun Gong without an official statement of affiliation with the movement.[41]

In 2009, Li Hongzhi, the founder of Falun Gong, appeared at the newspaper's headquarters in Manhattan and called for the expansion of The Epoch Times to "become regular media."[18] Li has referred to The Epoch Times as "our media", along with the NTD digital production company and the Shen Yun dance troupe.[18][44] Two former employees said that top editors traveled to meet with Li at Falun Gong's compound, Dragon Springs, where Li weighed in on editorial and strategic decisions; The Epoch Times denied that a meeting took place.[21]

Former employees of The Epoch Times have noted the involvement of Falun Gong practitioners in the management and editorial process.[18] Three anonymous former employees said Epoch Times workers were encouraged to attend weekly "Fa study" sessions outside work hours to study the teachings of Li Hongzhi.[45] Former employees have said that speaking negatively about The Epoch Times amounts to disobeying Li.[21]

The Epoch Times runs frequent promotional stories about the Shen Yun dance troupe that is affiliated with Falun Gong. The New Yorker's review of Shen Yun called The Epoch Times "the world's foremost purveyor of Shen Yun content."[46]

In a 2018 report, conservative think-tank the Hoover Institution commented that "the space for truly independent Chinese-language media in the United States has shrunk to a few media outlets supported by the adherents of Falun Gong, the banned religious sect in China, and a small publication and website called Vision Times", the report noting that the latter is also associated with Falun Gong.[47] Similarly, in a 2019 report, Reporters Without Borders commented that "Aside from the Epoch Times newspaper and New Tang Dynasty Television, which are run by the Falun Gong, a religious movement persecuted in China, and China Digital Times, a website founded by a leading US-based critic of the regime, the United States now has few truly independent diaspora media."[48]

In 2019, an NBC News investigative report suggested The Epoch Times's political coverage may be affected by Falun Gong believers' anticipation of a judgment day in which communists are sent to hell, and Falun Gong's allies are spared. Former Epoch Times employees told NBC News that President Donald Trump is viewed as a key anti-communist ally,[18] allegedly hastening that judgment day.[49]

In 2020, Vox identified China Uncensored and NTD as affiliates of the Epoch Times, as part of a multilingual "media empire".[50]
 
Seriously, when you put Hitler and Trump next to each other your credibility is shot to hell.

When you practice the same media strategy as Hitler with Lugenpresse then the comparison is apt. I'm not saying Trump is Hitler but his strategy to debase the media is very similar.
 
Keep saying that...everything that doesn't fit your narrative is "propaganda" of FAKE NEWS which you've screamed incessantly for the last few years.

Here are all the ties of Epoch Times to Falun Gong:

From Wikipedia with Wiki using far left sites like Vox as sources. I believe you now. lol
 
From Wikipedia with Wiki using far left sites like Vox as sources. I believe you now. lol

You don't like the far left sources? There are 118 citations alone on that page. Forget VOX and pick something else. Try the research articles first is my suggestion.

If your goal is to prove that the Epoch Times is not a media arm of a religious cult (errr religion?) then go on and show your evidence.
 
The money time is if you catch COVID. No insurance? Is it too f'n bad? Should you be given space in the hospital or is it too f'n bad?

Conservatives preach personal responsibility. That is the political hype.

What is the reality when it happens to you?
 
When you practice the same media strategy as Hitler with Lugenpresse then the comparison is apt. I'm not saying Trump is Hitler but his strategy to debase the media is very similar.

Trump is saying what anybody with a few working brain cells knows is a fact. The news that you think is fact is coming from sources that are basically working as the PR front for the democrat party. This is why so many of these things that you call crazy or a conspiracy theory ends up being true or plausible in 6 months. What bothers me the most is your lack of self awareness when it comes to this very fact.
 
The insanity is complete. Epoch Times, a propaganda arm of the anti-China religious org Falun Gong, is now being cited as "truth". It's being used to call government agencies, not partisan medical personnel and long established media entity liars. Do y'all recognize how ******* crazy that is? You are literally citing a propaganda site, a blog. Have y'all lost your minds? Do you not have any ability to discern the media sources you confirm or it the only goal to get confirmation on your beliefs thus even unscrupulous cites like Epoch Times will do. That's braindead. It's lugenpresse realized. It's an invented reality.

I'm not saying there isn't some truth in this or other extremist site articles. Generally speaking, there is always a thread of truth that is then extrapolated and analyzed to absurd proportions to serve a predetermined narrative and ultimately losing the context of the original thread. It's a truth wrapped in misinformation. Information that is typically easily disproven from official sites if the reader cares to validate the information. Unfortunately, more often the reader never validates the information. They simply run with it. That's ignorant at best and more nefarious at worst.

Medical professionals were quoted, yet you put up the above nonsense.

Sorry, but your spin doesn't wash. Anything that doesn't jive with the talking points you live by, you'll attack. Seems to be a pandemic of its own.
 
Saw a Dr on TV saying he used ivermectin on cattle but it was absurd to use on humans. This is what is causing credibility issues, why did he not simply say he was not in favor of it for Covid treatment instead of implying it was never used for humans. He is either ignorant of its uses or just wanting to pile on the implied ignorance of those with whom he disagrees. This is the kind of Dr/scientist that gripes me.
 
You don't like the far left sources? There are 118 citations alone on that page. Forget VOX and pick something else. Try the research articles first is my suggestion.

If your goal is to prove that the Epoch Times is not a media arm of a religious cult (errr religion?) then go on and show your evidence.

My guess is you haven't picked up a copy, let alone read it. You don't know what you're talking about. I read my hard copy weekly, I also read the dallas morning news. The DMN is far, far, far more slanted. The slant and cover provided to Biden's botched pull out of AFG was sickening

Check out the Traditions section. Good reading. The health and fitness articles are as good as you'll find anywhere. Open your mind for a change
 
The money time is if you catch COVID. No insurance? Is it too f'n bad? Should you be given space in the hospital or is it too f'n bad?

Conservatives preach personal responsibility. That is the political hype.

What is the reality when it happens to you?

Ok I'll play. I caught it, got over it, moved on with my life. Some lingering issues exist, but I don't ***** and whine about.

How about you?
 
Seriously, when you put Hitler and Trump next to each other your credibility is shot to hell.
If Trump doesn't want to be compared to Adolf then he should not use VERY similar phrases. lugenpresse is lying press, I believe. Fake news was trump's baby. Any comparison after that on that issue is reasonable.
 

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