Coronavirus

I keep hearing Italy is two weeks ahead of us. We had our first patient on January 21 and Italy had their first case on January 31. What gives?
 
Crockett said:
So what news sources do you trust Austin Bill? Maybe if I knew that I could better understand your worldview.
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Switch to Newsy. No bias reporting, it's online and you can get it through streaming like Ruku. I avoid all other news except for the AP wire. I have accepted that all these networks like CNN, MSN, and Fox are nothing but propaganda machines for their political party. I'm sick of their spin and agenda driven bias.
 
Garmel said:
I keep hearing Italy is two weeks ahead of us. We had our first patient on January 21 and Italy had their first case on January 31. What gives?
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Graph coming up. 11 days difference since 100th case. Note early US cases were quarantine cases, not community spread cases.
 
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OUBubba said:
Two pages into googling "trump criticism for blocking china flights" and I find no racist name calling. I find some public health scientists who claim that travel bans do no good. That's it.

I mean it doesn't mean he's not a racist..... ;)
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I live in Austin. Everything Trump does is evil around here. Google isn't everything despite what some would have us believe.
 
Crockett said:
I know theiisoftx and Austin Bill aren't worried, but based on what has happened in China, Italy, South Korea and Iran, a lot of precautions are appropriate. We are about 2 weeks behind Italy and while we have a more robust medical system, spread of the illness here like it spread there would require 200,000 ICU beds and we have 100,000, most already occupied. It's going to get worse before it gets better and the extreme steps we are taking to the growth curb will save a lot of lives. These precautions, taken at the urging of no less than Donald Trump whom I assume Theiisoftx lumps in with the rest of us fools" paying attention to the CDC, interntional epidemiologists, public officials and journalists like those of the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal instead of reassuring voices like his, Austin Bill's and Trish Reagan's.
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I don't mind the measures government is taking. I think the toilet paper binging that individuals are doing are stupid and dangerous.
 
Crockett said:
I know theiisoftx and Austin Bill aren't worried, but based on what has happened in China, Italy, South Korea and Iran, a lot of precautions are appropriate. We are about 2 weeks behind Italy and while we have a more robust medical system, spread of the illness here like it spread there would require 200,000 ICU beds and we have 100,000, most already occupied. It's going to get worse before it gets better and the extreme steps we are taking to the growth curb will save a lot of lives. These precautions, taken at the urging of no less than Donald Trump whom I assume Theiisoftx lumps in with the rest of us fools" paying attention to the CDC, interntional epidemiologists, public officials and journalists like those of the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal instead of reassuring voices like his, Austin Bill's and Trish Reagan's.
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I know reading comprehension does not fit your narrative, I just explained that comparing death rates at this point is foolish as millions of people could have it or had it and not known. The CDC states this as well.

I am fine with most procedures taking place. However the hysteria is silly and the media keeps fanning the flames. I’m just hopeful the economic hit does not cause more deaths than the virus itself.
 
Based on my academic evaluations reading comprehension actually is my strong suit.

I'll concede that the death rate may not include a lot of people who may be infected but not seriously ill, but I don't think the count is in the millions. With restrictions on large gatherings and improvements in personal sanitation, I'm hopeful we'll have a vaccine before the domestic count reaches a million. The media I choose are not hysterical, though they do count this as the day's big story. The hysteria is from people who overreact.
 
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theiioftx said:
I know reading comprehension does not fit your narrative, I just explained that comparing death rates at this point is foolish as millions of people could have it or had it and not known. The CDC states this as well.

I am fine with most procedures taking place. However the hysteria is silly and the media keeps fanning the flames. I’m just hopeful the economic hit does not cause more deaths than the virus itself.
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You’re calling Covid19 the cold. No one should be listening to your explanations.
 
Corona virus has proved that our government run health care system, it isn't based on a market it is dictated by regulation, certification, and agencies, is not working. The CDC should have a plan and clearly communicated steps about executing that plan. They along with just about every other government health care agency has shown their complete lack of preparedness. Their only answer is quarantine and restricting freedom. In many cases they have stood in the way of private health care actors from testing and responding to increased demand.

The jury is out. They failed. Let's try a connected market system that is free to increase demand as they see fit and respond in the ways that sick people need.
 
The problem is not everybody can tele-work. If you don't let people go to work, the economy will crumble at some point. For those who can work from home great, work from home. That doesn't work for some. It wouldn't work for me with kids in running around in my house.
 
Ok, so we're heard all along how South Korea is the poster child for testing. They've done a quarter of a million people or so. This means they found a lot of the positives we've missed, the ones who otherwise would have just felt kind of sick for a few days but nothing distinguishable from a common cold if they hadn't had the test to confirm.

And there's an argument going on here where some are pointing out that our methods of counting mortality rate are misleading, because deaths to due to C19 are much more likely to be identified than healthy recoveries are. South Korea's expansive testing is confirming this notion, as their latest numbers make the mortality rate to be around 0.75%. And even that is still probably slightly high, but it's almost certain much closer to the truth. It's still nothing to sneeze at (no pun intended) but it does bolster the point that the 3-5% reports are, as suspected, very skewed.

On a side note, I wonder how many people have stocked up and are now isolating themselves from the virus for health reasons, sitting around their house smoking cigarettes...

Nancy tried to cram abortion funding into the coronavirus bill
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All sorts of ******** may have gotten into it, since for some reason as a nation overall we are more harsh to the people saying "Wait, what's in this bill? Please can you guys not use the disease as a twisted form of exploitation to get our pet projects pushed through" than we are to the people actually using the disease as a twisted form of exploitation to get their pet projects pushed through
 
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Monahorns said:
Corona virus has proved that our government run health care system, it isn't based on a market it is dictated by regulation, certification, and agencies, is not working. The CDC should have a plan and clearly communicated steps about executing that plan. They along with just about every other government health care agency has shown their complete lack of preparedness. Their only answer is quarantine and restricting freedom. In many cases they have stood in the way of private health care actors from testing and responding to increased demand.

The jury is out. They failed. Let's try a connected market system that is free to increase demand as they see fit and respond in the ways that sick people need.
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I think the plan is too slowly introduce the virus to many Americans, thus increasing herd immunity until the number of deaths is lost in the statistics. In this way, it is not necessary to test everyone - only just enough to identify the truly contagious (I.e., the sick ones who have a high virus count).
 
Monahorns said:
Corona virus has proved that our government run health care system, it isn't based on a market it is dictated by regulation, certification, and agencies, is not working. The CDC should have a plan and clearly communicated steps about executing that plan. They along with just about every other government health care agency has shown their complete lack of preparedness. Their only answer is quarantine and restricting freedom. In many cases they have stood in the way of private health care actors from testing and responding to increased demand.

The jury is out. They failed. Let's try a connected market system that is free to increase demand as they see fit and respond in the ways that sick people need.
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You are right that the CDC under estimated the call for more tests than is needed in their mind. Like I said above, more tests is just window dressing in the minds of the government. More tests only solves a problem of perception.
 
mchammer, if that was the plan then MSNBC and CNN would shut the **** up for a day and let it play out.

Their plan is to blame Trump for whatever happens and the more people die the better.
 
Crockett said:
Based on my academic evaluations reading comprehension actually is my strong suit.

I'll concede that the death rate may not include a lot of people who may be infected but not seriously ill, but I don't think the count is in the millions. With restrictions on large gatherings and improvements in personal sanitation, I'm hopeful we'll have a vaccine before the domestic count reaches a million. The media I choose are not hysterical, though they do count this as the day's big story. The hysteria is from people who overreact.
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John Hopkins has estimated that for every reported case there are 25 - 50 cases that are unreported. The number that have died from COVID19 is the only number that I believe has any credibility. Wouldn't it then be logical to expect the death rate is actually 25-50 times lower than we are currently calculating?
 
If I were to estimate lethality I would look first to countries with a more robust testing apparatus. Likely with so few tested cases here there may have been several deaths among the untested virus carriers in the US.
 
Something I'm wondering about... With all the focus on preventing spread of this new disease, what has been the impact on flu infections? I'd expect to see a pretty dramatic decline since the prevention techniques are pretty much identical.

I did a Google search on this question and came upon the CDC website. Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

Looks like flu infections are declining a little, but I'm not sure if that is the normal flu cycle as the season winds down, or a response to dramatic steps taken to prevent respiratory virus spread. Ill keep watching that page out of curiousity.
 
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Crockett said:
Something I'm wondering about... With all the focus on preventing spread of this new disease, what has been the impact on flu infections? I'd expect to see a pretty dramatic decline since the prevention techniques are pretty much identical.

I did a Google search on this question and came upon the CDC website. Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

Looks like flu infections are declining a little, but I'm not sure if that is the normal flu cycle as the season winds down, or a response to dramatic steps taken to prevent respiratory virus spread. Ill keep watching that page out of curiousity.
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Crockett said:
Looks like flu infections are declining a little, but I'm not sure if that is the normal flu cycle as the season winds down, or a response to dramatic steps taken to prevent respiratory virus spread. Ill keep watching that page out of curiousity.
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Seems like they are declining nicely, but yeah next 2 weeks will tell if the current precautions drive this to nearly zero.
 
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