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Horn2RunAgain
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No negative tests. Tested positive back in March
Monahorns
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Your comment acted like this is a major spread vector. It isn't. From what I have read the best bet for also getting an asymptomatic case is to get it from another asymptomatic case. If we all had asymptomatic cases, there wouldn't be any problem.
For months... Is there no other factor in immunity that goes longer?
Monahorns
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Horn2RunAgain, the PCR tested have an enormous amount of false positives. Have you asked for the Ct (number of cycles) of the test they are running? If above 35 you most likely are getting a false positive, if ~40 it is most definitely false.
Do you have symptoms? Have you been tested for anything else?
OUBubba
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Then this post is bullshi— I mean factually incorrect? No need to be an aggy.
asymptomatic is certainly an unknown. Presymtomatic is less so.
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Horn2RunAgain
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My wife thinks this time around it's just a cold or sinus issue. We both experienced headaches, fever, fatigue . She thinks the latest test was a false positive and it's pissing her off. She's a teacher and can't help her kids since she can't get back to class . This was a critical week of the semester
In my case, fatigue is a daily thing and has been since july. Not depression, which others with this same condition seem to struggle with. My issue is extreme fatigue. Nothing more. It'll pass, the sooner the better
Monahorns
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Infectiousness is proportional to viral load. I have heard multiple epidemiologists say this. If you are asymptomatic you don't even have enough infection to feel anything. Calling that into question is more advertisement for a vaccine than anything else. Pre-symptomatic spread has the same issue. The viral load you expose people to isn't high enough for you to even feel yet. The speculation is that the moment right before you start having symptoms, you aren't taking any precautions at all (because you aren't sick yet) and you have a high enough viral load to infect others. Then you develop symptoms and stay home or what have you. I have seen studies try to quantify this. The ones I have read show low infectiousness. The vast majority of infection is passed while having bad symptoms to others in your house or in close contact for other reasons.
OUBubba
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All The Members Of Congress Who Have Tested Positive For COVID-19 | HuffPost
It appears that 23% of Congress that got Covid are Dems and 77% are Repubs.
Presently, 53% of the population is Dem and 47% is GOP. I threw out the Ind for this rudimentary statistical observation.
What can we infer from this?
It appears that 23% of Congress that got Covid are Dems and 77% are Repubs.
Presently, 53% of the population is Dem and 47% is GOP. I threw out the Ind for this rudimentary statistical observation.
What can we infer from this?
Why don't you just tell us so we can go ahead and throw up the BS flag. Or, we can just do it now.
<---Closest thing to a BS flag.
Seattle Husker
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Going to test this theory. Coworker came down with symptoms Wednesday, stayed home. Tested positive on Thursday (today). I was in an office with him on Tuesday afternoon, about 4 feet away wearing a mask for a 5-10 minute discussion. We were both standing talking to someone behind a desk. He was told he only needed to contact folks once he showed symptoms and within 6 feet for 10-15 minutes.
I infer you read HuffPost and watch CNN. You lap up propaganda like no other. Get out of the trailer and experience reality.
PecosBill
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Six months ago this week, VP Pence stated there would be no second wave.
From the Op Ed by VP Pence on June 16,2020:
Lost in the coverage is the fact that today less than 6% of Americans tested each week are found to have the virus. Cases have stabilized over the past two weeks, with the daily average case rate across the U.S. dropping to 20,000—down from 30,000 in April and 25,000 in May. And in the past five days, deaths are down to fewer than 750 a day, a dramatic decline from 2,500 a day a few weeks ago—and a far cry from the 5,000 a day that some were predicting.
There Isn’t a Coronavirus ‘Second Wave’ | The White House
Fast forward six months to this week and the number of positive CV19 tests reached 247,403 and CV19 deaths reached 3,656. Both are all time highs for 2020.
The advances in CV19 treatment for patients and the start of the CV19 vaccinations of Pfizer and soon Moderna in December will reduce the chance of a larger peak in 2021.
The next 60 days will be unfortunate for those who get infected and hospitalized but it is likely that no new fourth wave will hit the US.
From the Op Ed by VP Pence on June 16,2020:
Lost in the coverage is the fact that today less than 6% of Americans tested each week are found to have the virus. Cases have stabilized over the past two weeks, with the daily average case rate across the U.S. dropping to 20,000—down from 30,000 in April and 25,000 in May. And in the past five days, deaths are down to fewer than 750 a day, a dramatic decline from 2,500 a day a few weeks ago—and a far cry from the 5,000 a day that some were predicting.
There Isn’t a Coronavirus ‘Second Wave’ | The White House
Fast forward six months to this week and the number of positive CV19 tests reached 247,403 and CV19 deaths reached 3,656. Both are all time highs for 2020.
The advances in CV19 treatment for patients and the start of the CV19 vaccinations of Pfizer and soon Moderna in December will reduce the chance of a larger peak in 2021.
The next 60 days will be unfortunate for those who get infected and hospitalized but it is likely that no new fourth wave will hit the US.
Monahorns
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PecosBill, those 3 peaks are primarily tracking 1st peaks in 3 different geographic locations. The first two for sure are. The third one is a mix of the Midwest's 1st peak and the 2nd peak in the rest of the areas.
Part of the reason of the 2 peak we are getting along with West, East, and South is that the reduced mobility of people kept it from spreading to its natural extent. October is typically the start of Corona virus season, so the virus activity increased and is now making its way through the rest of the population that it would have in the first peak. There also may be some mutation that occurred due to the fact the lockdowns kept us from herd immunity.
I think if from the start "we" would have protected the old and vulnerable and let everyone else live life, we would have been over this whole thing by the summer. But we dinked around prolonged its life. This has never been done in history. Hopefully it will be the last.
Also testing continues to increase and the Cts are way too high. So a significant part of what we are seeing is false positives and overcounting due to policy changes made in May. Again another first time in history change went into effect in May in how cases and deaths were counted. Because of the difference in policy comparisons to previous flus and SARS seasons are meaningless.
Part of the reason of the 2 peak we are getting along with West, East, and South is that the reduced mobility of people kept it from spreading to its natural extent. October is typically the start of Corona virus season, so the virus activity increased and is now making its way through the rest of the population that it would have in the first peak. There also may be some mutation that occurred due to the fact the lockdowns kept us from herd immunity.
I think if from the start "we" would have protected the old and vulnerable and let everyone else live life, we would have been over this whole thing by the summer. But we dinked around prolonged its life. This has never been done in history. Hopefully it will be the last.
Also testing continues to increase and the Cts are way too high. So a significant part of what we are seeing is false positives and overcounting due to policy changes made in May. Again another first time in history change went into effect in May in how cases and deaths were counted. Because of the difference in policy comparisons to previous flus and SARS seasons are meaningless.
Duck Dodgers
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Voter fraud - got it in a oner!
Pretty fake for you to pipe up after the election was over - dude was a quiet as a church mouse in the heat of the race. Now he comes running out like a guy wearing his school t-shirt under a jacket, then busts it out when the game is over. Sad.
Duck Dodgers
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Republican member of Congress are out doing their constituents business, going to meetings in person, meeting residents, seeing what needs to be done.
While Dems are hiding in their offices and avoiding their jobs. Hence the whipping they took in the House.
PecosBill
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@Monahorns Thanks for your explanation and perspective on the progression of the CV19 in 2020.
I took a browse thru the 226 pages of this Coronavirus post and was fairly amazed at how confident and informed the posters were about the CV19 situation at the time of their post. Very similiar to the tone of VP Pence's Op Ed. Reasonable explanation of current event, comment on how information is distorted by some and misunderstood by others.
After you go thru about 200 pages of the subject you become aware of how posters frame the narrative of CV19. For some it is the most serious threat that mankind faces in 2020 to the opposite end of it is merely an extension of common flu and normal human condition. There is also a lot in between these two ends.
Approaching the end of 2020, CV19 is reaching the highest peaks of measureable human impact in 9 months of activity as it works through the US population.
For all we have done right and wrong that has impacted our fellow citizens it is fairly amazing how very little we still actually understand.
IMO we have some tools to make the coming year much better for our country than the previous one so there is some optimism on the horizon.
9 months in.
I took a browse thru the 226 pages of this Coronavirus post and was fairly amazed at how confident and informed the posters were about the CV19 situation at the time of their post. Very similiar to the tone of VP Pence's Op Ed. Reasonable explanation of current event, comment on how information is distorted by some and misunderstood by others.
After you go thru about 200 pages of the subject you become aware of how posters frame the narrative of CV19. For some it is the most serious threat that mankind faces in 2020 to the opposite end of it is merely an extension of common flu and normal human condition. There is also a lot in between these two ends.
Approaching the end of 2020, CV19 is reaching the highest peaks of measureable human impact in 9 months of activity as it works through the US population.
For all we have done right and wrong that has impacted our fellow citizens it is fairly amazing how very little we still actually understand.
IMO we have some tools to make the coming year much better for our country than the previous one so there is some optimism on the horizon.
9 months in.
Seattle Husker
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Thank you for your contribution. Is 8kun down?
Duck Dodgers
1,000+ Posts
Don't know what that is, and don't care Scissors Boy. You were too much of a coward to post here in October, like a little girl hiding her eyes at the scary part of a movie, now you post as many times in an hour as Nebraska loses football games. Sad.
One big reason for me is because we don't yet know what lasting effects this virus can have on people. Sort of like chicken pox and shingles.
9 of my family members in California contracted Covid and unfortunately we lost my uncle two weeks ago. My aunt is just beside herself with grief right now. My uncle was a former Marine, Vietnam veteran, and such a family man. He was 69.
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
There is always a lot to learn. But I listened to several interviews with epidemiologists at the very beginning of the COVID outbreak, and there was quit a bit that was already known. Notice is called SARS-COV-2. It is the 2nd of its type. This one is more infectious, serious, and widespread than SARS-COV-1, but it follows all of the sample patterns though in different proportions.
The mistakes were made by those in health orgs who based their expectations on models and ignored what the CDC was saying about how to respond to an epidemic as late at November 2019. Protect the vulnerable. Suggest precautions. Let people live.
Currently more people are dying of the results of the lockdowns than the actual virus itself. Many of the COVID deaths are from something else. For example, this week the CDC reports 40% of all death is COVID but we are only at 10% excess deaths. This during flu and pneumonia season. Add to that suicide, untreated cancer and heart disease. Many health professionals are saying more people will be dying for the next 5 years at least because diagnosis of other serious diseases is way down due to how health officials have managed this. Then if you look around the world, millions upon millions are on the brink of starvation. Not because of COVID but because of government response to COVID. These are all things that epidemiologists admitted would be likely if the government shut down economies.
On top of all that US health orgs have treated this disease differently than any other disease in history. Because that we really can't make good comparisons to other epidemics in history. The CDC has decided to count cases like it has never done before. It tests more frequently than it has ever done before. It uses a test that is way more super sensitive than they have ever used. They classify deaths in a way they never have done before.
Because of the increased availability of testing that has occurred on a monthly basis since March and the various spikes that have occurred regionally across the US, I now only look at the death rate in any particular state in isolation of everything else. For example, since I live in Texas, I follow this chart the most.
Half of the covid deaths would be dead of something else within 6 months if they never had covid in the first place.
Interestingly, the covid modelers at UW predict a major decrease in deaths before March even without a vaccine (they have various projections based on different cases). So they are predicting the wave will run its course by the end of Jan/Feb. The vaccine will prevent another wave this summer in the sunbelt and/or next winter in Midwest.
PecosBill
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MC what chart would you use if you were looking at the country as a whole?Because of the increased availability of testing that has occurred on a monthly basis since March and the various spikes that have occurred regionally across the US, I now only look at the death rate in any particular state in isolation of everything else. For example, since I live in Texas, I follow this chart the most.
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