Coronavirus

[Joe Fan]

... I am not sure what we are supposed to do with people like this who have become untethered to reality. Are we supposed to treat them like children? If the answer is "yes," then they do not get to vote. It's why we do not let children vote in the first place

 

[Joe Fan]

...Anyway, here is my routine if it might help someone -
-- Megadose Vit C - 2000 units every 4 hours, all day, every day. Needs to be a quality product, dont skimp
-- Vit D daily
-- Zinc daily
-- Aerobic exercise - do not do any anaerobics (skip the lifting)
-- Get outside some
-- Do not take Ibuprofen (take Tylenol if you need something)
We may be dealing in the margins here of what might help against this thing but layered like this, perhaps it all adds up. If I did have it, I got over it in less than a week
Best of luck

Support -

Low vitamin D levels worsen covid-19 outcomes:

"Serum 25(OH)D level was lowest in critical cases, but highest in mild cases...Vitamin D status is significantly associated with clinical outcomes."
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Vitamin D Supplementation Could Possibly Improve Clinical Outcomes of Patients Infected with Coronavirus-2019 (COVID-2019) by Mark Alipio :: SSRN

 

[theiioftx]

So let’s talk masks.

1) unless N-95,you are not protected.
2) gloves are worse than washing your hands
3) wearing cloth masks is not preventing transmission.
Prove me wrong.

 

[OUBubba]

So let’s talk masks.

1) unless N-95,you are not protected.
2) gloves are worse than washing your hands
3) wearing cloth masks is not preventing transmission.
Prove me wrong.

I’d say my mask will help keep me from infecting you. Correct?

 

[Mr. Deez]

I honestly can't see a problem with going to the beach if you can maintain social distancing. I like to bike and have altered my routes so as to avoid crowded trails at the busiest time of day. But if my family and I are at the beach 20-30 feet away from other gatherings... what's the problem?

Yeah, I don't understand the idea of locking oneself up in the house. I don't see how being locked up with family members (at least some of whom leave the house to go to the store, etc.) in a small area with stale air helps. So long as you socially distance, it's probably better to go outside at least some to get fresh air, do yardwork, and exercise.

 

[Austin_Bill]

I’d say my mask will help keep me from infecting you. Correct?

Is there a mask that can keep democrats from infecting hornfans.

 

[LongestHorn]

 

[ShAArk92]

Dude enlisted at 19, flew 288 missions in Vietnam (B-47 and B-52s), became squadron commander, retired as a lieutenant colonel in 1973.

so lying about personal history doesn't run in the family ... she chose it.

 

[theiioftx]

I’d say my mask will help keep me from infecting you. Correct?

It does not.

 

[theiioftx]

In Tennessee, the governor is “opening” it up for business, but allowing mayors to decide how to open up their cities. The democrat Nashville mayor, who I think is a decent mayor, is taking a more cautious approach. I expect surrounding counties, most within 15 minutes of downtown Nashville, to be overwhelmed with traffic for restaurants, bars and barbers. Reminds me of dry counties in Texas as I grew up. Politicians who think citizens won’t adapt will never go away.

 

[theiioftx]

I’d say my mask will help keep me from infecting you. Correct?

Thanks for the reply. As I thought about it, it reminded me about how liberals think. It’s not personal responsibility - me washing my hands, living a healthy lifestyle or staying at home if I am vulnerable - it’s about what the government or someone else can do for me.

Wear a mask and gloves if it makes you feel better. I’ll keep washing my hands, try to avoid touching my face and go about living my life as I see fit. Even if I get Covid, I’ll be fine one way or another.

 

[Driver 8]

A mask may not be perfect but I can't imagine that it provides no benefit at all to contain spread - how is that so?

 

[Horn6721]

Well this is the part I don't understand. They keep saying wearing a mask only prevents you from spreading the virus if you are contagious. They say it will not protect you if someone near you is contagious and sends droplets into the air. You wearing a mask will not filter out those droplets
BUT your droplets would be stopped by the mask you are wearing.

I don't get it

 

[theiioftx]

I did not say it has no benefit. If you are contagious though, you are spreading it regardless through hand contact with surfaces. And unless you are washing it properly after every use, you are more likely to spread the virus.

The only way to prevent getting it, is through self protection. Washing your hands, not touching your face, wearing a N-95 rated mask and totally avoiding infected people are the only protections.

 

[theiioftx]

Well this is the part I don't understand. They keep saying wearing a mask only prevents you from spreading the virus if you are contagious. They say it will not protect you if someone near you is contagious and sends droplets into the air. You wearing a mask will not filter out those droplets
BUT your droplets would be stopped by the mask you are wearing.

I don't get it

Actually you do get it.

 

[OUBubba]

Thanks for the reply. As I thought about it, it reminded me about how liberals think. It’s not personal responsibility - me washing my hands, living a healthy lifestyle or staying at home if I am vulnerable - it’s about what the government or someone else can do for me.

Wear a mask and gloves if it makes you feel better. I’ll keep washing my hands, try to avoid touching my face and go about living my life as I see fit. Even if I get Covid, I’ll be fine one way or another.

Not sure why you have to be difficult. "how liberals think"? I didn't say that the mask was fool proof. If I wear a mask it helps me limit my spread and helps me limit particles that may fly into my nasal cavity or mouth. I personally don't wear a mask. I do think if people wear masks they will be less "contagious" but not "non-contagious". At some point we'll be able to do some statistical impact.

 

[bystander]

Re: Abbot's Order

There have always been arguments about states rights versus federal rights. We know for instance that Roe v Wade resulted in prohibiting states from outlawing abortion (in general; not here for an abortion debate). I've also heard Liberals argue that states rights is a dog whistle, only to be heard by racists, for the abuses that occurred in the past such as slavery and Jim Crow laws.

When the federal government passes a law it invariably is a one-size fits all situation though buried in every bill are targeted initiatives or influence of behavior. It is very hard though to custom fit a bill to please 50 states not to mention the roughly 20,000 incorporated municipalities (I looked it up) in the US.

Ironically, Governor Abbot as a conservative is using his power of the state to rule over local communities. Maybe he thinks the state's rights argument stops at the state's door and does not apply to the next level down. But what this means is that if a local community has a spike in CV-19 infections/deaths due to the transition to opening up our economy then they must either ignore his edict or somehow beg him to immediately give them the latitude to re-institute stricter measure as they see fit.

Local rights are the most efficient and nimble. They also can cover up many abuses.

Which side of the coin are we on? Federal rights? States rights? Or the narrow edge of the coin which are the communities in which we live.

True capitalism is a personal choice driven matrix with ruthless consequences but it does not have to be restricted to the economy. When we have rights that are one-sided or heavily leaning towards our personal desires then what we have decided is that you must protect yourself from others because nobody else (especially in authority) is going to do it for you.

Is that the world you want? It sounds good; freedom. But at what cost to your neighbor? Or yourself?

To lift the quarantine is to say **** happens and we will not give up our rights for ****. But is it **** or is it someone you love?

I will continue to wear my mask for the time being. I think it helps, SOME...

 

[iatrogenic]

Not sure why you have to be difficult. "how liberals think"? I didn't say that the mask was fool proof. If I wear a mask it helps me limit my spread and helps me limit particles that may fly into my nasal cavity or mouth. I personally don't wear a mask. I do think if people wear masks they will be less "contagious" but not "non-contagious". At some point we'll be able to do some statistical impact.

Walls don’t work Bubba.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Walls don’t work Bubba.

Zing!!!

 

[Joe Fan]

Called it
Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

So given this financial incentive from Medicare, if somebody who tested positive gets into a bad car wreck and then dies in the emergency room, is that counted as a coronavirus death?

 

[Horn6721]

Abbott has made it clear no one has to open up and we will not go to the next phase if there is a secondary flare up.
People do NOT have to leave their homes if they want to stay in.

Is a better plan to stay closed?

 

[horninchicago]

Abbott has made it clear no one has to open up and we will not go to the next phase if there is a secondary flare up.
People do NOT have to leave their homes if they want to stay in.

Is a better plan to stay closed?

No. If people want to stay home then do so. Let others be free.

 

[Horn6721]

People are going to find something to whine about.
This seems like a good safe plan. There will be adjustments but it is a start

 

[bystander]

We are/were allowed to go into grocery stores (and liquor stores!) with masks on. Why should we leap-frog the mask requirement and not just add more "non-essential" business to the list but maintaining the mask requirement? Is he saying the mask doesn't work? If not then why not open other businesses?

 

[mchammer]

People are going to find something to whine about.
This seems like a good safe plan. There will be adjustments but it is a start

This will allow parks to open. More open space the better. Vitamin D shown to reduce severity of illness. Seniors in Florida doing much better than seniors in NYC.

 

[Garmel]

LOL! An asthma drug that I'm on is showing signs that it's effective against Covid-19. I hope this is true. Though Not FDA Approved, Off-Label Singulair Showing Promise As Coronavirus Treatment, Say Doctors

 

[Monahorns]

In our governmental structure the States are intended to be the focal point of law. That means cities and counties don't have the constitutional rights that States do. Gov. Abbot, in his statement that local law/ordinance couldn't usurp the State's, has followed the constitution.

In principle, I think Gov. Abbot did the right thing in opening up business. I also think he was right in not ordering everyone to open, but to let individuals and businesses decide for themselves. I don't think there are penalties at this point for not following the opening guidelines either. I agree with the approach.

In another principle, I do support the idea that counties and cities should be able to govern themselves independently in some ways from State law. Decentralization down to the neighborhood has its political benefits in my mind. Allow subsets of society to operate under their own rules and consciences. However, we don't have that ability today in our governmental structure.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Is that the world you want? It sounds good; freedom. But at what cost to your neighbor? Or yourself?

To lift the quarantine is to say **** happens and we will not give up our rights for ****. But is it **** or is it someone you love?

You are falling into the "if it saves only 1 life then it's worth it" fallacy. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. Keeping the economy locked down costs people their lives too - poverty kills. How many millions have to lose their jobs to keep your grandma safe? Why is that their responsibility? Why does the entire state have to be locked down so that you can feel better about your *choice* to wear your mask?

Have you stopped driving? Because I am pretty sure that will make you and your loved ones odds of living another day better.

Every day you step out the front door, you take on some risk. I say it should be up to individuals to decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to take on, it should not be up to the government. Any move by Abbott to REMOVE restrictions on people's freedoms, I am for. By my lights, he did not go far enough.

 

[Austin_Bill]

I didn't say that the mask was fool proof.

Of course it's not, if it was fool proof no one in Oklahoma would have one.

 

[bystander]

You are falling into the "if it saves only 1 life then it's worth it" fallacy. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. Keeping the economy locked down costs people their lives too - poverty kills. How many millions have to lose their jobs to keep your grandma safe? Why is that their responsibility? Why does the entire state have to be locked down so that you can feel better about your *choice* to wear your mask?

Have you stopped driving? Because I am pretty sure that will make you and your loved ones odds of living another day better.

Every day you step out the front door, you take on some risk. I say it should be up to individuals to decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to take on, it should not be up to the government. Any move by Abbott to REMOVE restrictions on people's freedoms, I am for. By my lights, he did not go far enough.

Yes, I know.

I don't know much about this virus. It's not under control. We're just deciding to ramp up. I think we should open businesses but not remove the mask edict. I think it's too aggressive because people are people and they do what they do which most times is not the right thing. They're reckless. They don't give a ****. They make excuses.

I'm just talking about it. I realize I have a job and all is well so it's easy for me to say. Freedom in my face is not what I want.