Coronavirus

[horninchicago]

The chart below has probably been posted multiple times but I’m too lazy to check. But as someone mentioned above, wearing a mask is not an enjoyable experience. Add glasses and it’s almost unmanageable. I have tried every technique imaginable to prevent fogging, and nothing has worked.

Someone needs to design a protective new beekeepers type of covering, but with a sophisticated mesh — in only the nose & mouth areas — comparable to 3M’s N95 material. They do actually make an N99 version, blocking even more small particles... like 99% of airborne particles of MMD (Mass Mean Diameter) 0.3 microns.

I thought carriers were supposed to be at home. So, if they are known carriers, why are they not at home and having to wear a mask?

 

[Austin_Bill]

I always wondered how people convinced themselves how the unborn are somehow not human beings. Thanks, LH!

but an eagle egg is a felony that will get you a one way ticket to the big house for 5 to 7.

 

[Austin_Bill]

The chart below has probably been posted multiple times but I’m too lazy to check. But as someone mentioned above, wearing a mask is not an enjoyable experience. Add glasses and it’s almost unmanageable. I have tried every technique imaginable to prevent fogging, and nothing has worked.

Someone needs to design a protective new beekeepers type of covering, but with a sophisticated mesh — in only the nose & mouth areas — comparable to 3M’s N95 material. They do actually make an N99 version, blocking even more small particles... like 99% of airborne particles of MMD (Mass Mean Diameter) 0.3 microns.

Do they make a chart like that for condoms?

 

[mchammer]

I thought carriers were supposed to be at home. So, if they are known carriers, why are they not at home and having to wear a mask?

Helps prevent spread by asymptotic carriers.

 

[horninchicago]

Helps prevent spread by asymptotic carriers.

Again, let the people who are scared stay home. Not sure why I need to be forced to wear a mask if I leave my house. What country is this?

If I get it, AGAIN, I think I will survive.

 

[theiioftx]

Well, there it is. Evidence.

I also hear hospitals have so much free time, they are sending nurses and doctors out into cities in their scrubs for photo ops and to direct traffic at busy intersections.

Actually they are sending them home. But I get your point.

 

[dukesteer]

Again, let the people who are scared stay home. Not sure why I need to be forced to wear a mask if I leave my house. What country is this?

If I get it, AGAIN, I think I will survive.

It’s a fair point and we’re probably going to disagree.

My counter argument would be that if the spread is likely from asymptomatic individuals, why should I be forced to stay home because a potential carrier is unwilling to wear a mask?

 

[horninchicago]

It’s a fair point and we’re probably going to disagree.

My counter argument would be that if the spread is likely from asymptomatic individuals, why should I be forced to stay home because a potential carrier is unwilling to wear a mask?

I think at some point we all have choices to make. I choose not to be told by the gubment to wear a mask.

 

[dukesteer]

I think at some point we all have choices to make. I choose not to be told by the gubment to wear a mask.

HIC, your decision not to wear a mask has nothing to do with you (except for the inconvenience of wearing a mask), but it could have everything to do with others.

So even if you were not “unequivocally sure” that you were not a carrier, you would still be unwilling to wear a mask?

 

[horninchicago]

HIC, your decision not to wear a mask has nothing to do with you (except for the inconvenience of wearing a mask), but it could have everything to do with others.

So even if you were not “unequivocally sure” that you were not a carrier, you would still be unwilling to wear a mask?

I may be. I'm saying I don't want to be forced. I generally am not usually real warm and fuzzy when the gubment tells me what to do. And, I do think it is about me. I can get it too, but I won't live in fear every day. Those who are fearful, by all means, wear a mask if you choose.

Can't wait til we can discuss Longhorn football!

 

[mchammer]

I may be. I'm saying I don't want to be forced. I generally am not usually real warm and fuzzy when the gubment tells me what to do. And, I do think it is about me. I can get it too, but I won't live in fear every day. Those who are fearful, by all means, wear a mask if you choose.

Can't wait til we can discuss Longhorn football!

The issue would be mostly moot if we had more testing that was easy and accessible where those who were working and the like got tested once a week.

 

[horninchicago]

Okay explain to me also why wearing the mask if not slick helps because they say the mask is to prevent spreading it to others, not contracting it. So, why does the chart show a lower % with both people wearing a mask?

 

[horninchicago]

The issue would be mostly moot if we had more testing that was easy and accessible where those who were working and the like got tested once a week.

So now we're talking. Make me submit to a test and then carry a card or something proving I'm not tainted. I like it. Very Nazi Germany.

 

[LongestHorn]

Maybe lean into the reasoning of wearing a mask to events like a funeral not because you’re told to, but because you’re an adult, not a ******* child.

 

[horninchicago]

Maybe lean into the reasoning of wearing a mask to events like a funeral not because you’re told to, but because you’re an adult, not a ******* child.

Ah, bless your little heart. It's hilarious that you think I could ever possibly even remotely give 2 shits what you think.

 

[LongestHorn]

But I’m right, and you know it.

 

[horninchicago]

But I’m right, and you know it.

So, you are name calling and saying I'm a ******* child?

 

[mchammer]

So now we're talking. Make me submit to a test and then carry a card or something proving I'm not tainted. I like it. Very Nazi Germany.

But more people will come out from their homes if they knew others were taking precautions. It will help everyone’s business.

 

[horninchicago]

But more people will come out from their homes if they knew others were taking precautions. It will help everyone’s business.

Now, we are getting somewhere. That's a good point. Guys like you and @dukesteer are reasonable.

 

[horninchicago]

Funny that if wearing a mask is mandated, what is the penalty for not doing so? Arrest and jail? Actual criminals are being let out because of CV. That's nice. I would have no real criminals in jail to be able to taint.

 

[horninchicago]

Dunno...I see plenty of people out walking, driving, whatever, around here w/o masks on. I think it's a good theory that people will go out if masks are mandated, but it's hard to say.

 

[AC]

Nah, fewer and fewer of us are scared of this if we’re under 65 or 70. My in laws are late 70’s and they aren’t scared! All aspects of Covid 19 are political now. All aspects. Masks included.

 

[dukesteer]

Okay explain to me also why wearing the mask if not slick helps because they say the mask is to prevent spreading it to others, not contracting it. So, why does the chart show a lower % with both people wearing a mask?

Point taken. The issue is, how do you know that you’re not sick, I.e., not a carrier? Fauci actually made the point the other day that even if you test negative for the virus today, that doesn’t mean that you won’t test positive tomorrow. And if you don’t test positive tomorrow, that doesn’t mean that you won’t test positive the next day. So unless folks are tested literally daily, there is no assurance that they are not or could not be carriers. Yes, I do agree that if they are tested weekly and are negative, it’s unlikely.

As for me, for the foreseeable future, I would not go to a store, get on a train, go to a restaurant or get on an airplane unless everyone was wearing a mask, and agreed to keep wearing that mask. Whether or not establishments — or airlines — can enforce such a rule will probably (and quickly) be decided by the Supreme Court. Personal Rights Vs. Community Protection.

By the way, I did have the antibodies test last Friday. Unfortunately I tested negative.

 

[horninchicago]

Point taken. The issue is, how do you know that you’re not sick, I.e., not a carrier? Fauci actually made the point the other day that even if you test negative for the virus today, that doesn’t mean that you won’t test positive tomorrow. And if you don’t test positive tomorrow, that doesn’t mean that you won’t test positive the next day. So unless folks are tested literally daily, there is no assurance that they are not or could not be carriers. Yes, I do agree that if they are tested weekly and are negative, it’s unlikely.

As for me, for the foreseeable future, I would not go to a store, get on a train, go to a restaurant or get on an airplane unless everyone was wearing a mask, and agreed to keep wearing that mask. Whether or not establishments — or airlines — can enforce such a rule will probably (and quickly) be decided by the Supreme Court. Personal Rights Vs. Community Protection.

By the way, I did have the antibodies test last Friday. Unfortunately I tested negative.

I've had it once at least already. A couple weeks ago or so and maybe back in January. I can see that they will likely be mandated short term and since I abide by the law, I'm sure I will fall in line.

It's nice to be able to agreeably disagree with someone who isn't a ********.

 

[theiioftx]

But I’m right, and you know it.

You are rarely right. Like never. At least Barry gets some things right.

 

[dukesteer]

It's nice to be able to agreeably disagree with someone who isn't a ********.

Agree completely. And thanks for the PM.

Lots of “noise” coming from that precinct.

 

[OUBubba]

So given this financial incentive from Medicare, if somebody who tested positive gets into a bad car wreck and then dies in the emergency room, is that counted as a coronavirus death?

No. That wouldn’t be a hospital admit. That would be on the outpatient fee schedule.

 

[theiioftx]

Again with masks:

1) the mask does not protect you UNLESS it’s N-95. These are in shortage for healthcare providers. If you have them, send to your local hospital. A mask might prevent you from passing your virus to others, but then again, why are you going to the grocery store if you are infected?

2) As the government as stated, don’t bring in cloth bags to grocery stores, because they can carry the virus. Why are cloth masks surrounding your mouth and nose a good idea?

 

[theiioftx]

The news just reported the first known CoronaVirus detection in dogs. What year is it?

Canine Respiratory Coronavirus FAQ

 

[dukesteer]

Why are cloth masks surrounding your mouth and nose a good idea?

The answer is, they are better than nothing. It’s simple. “Anything” that can impede or minimize the spreading of airborne particles is a good thing. Is a N95 mask better (at this) than a surgical mask? Yes. Is a surgical mask better than a cloth mask. Probably. But again, it’s common sense. Any barrier to the creation or spread of airborne particles — regardless of the micron size of the particles or droplets — is better than no barrier.

As you know, they recommend a six foot barrier between people. That is not a
magic number and in fact, without a mask it’s probably insufficient. With light, heat and humidity, it is my belief that the “contagion range” shortens considerably. Add a barrier and it might be almost negligible.