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Joe Fan said:
Larry Summers was in the Clinton Admin. You would think he would already know the answer to his question. In fact, I would be willing to bet he does, he just doesnt want to say it.

The answer is that we outsourced manufacturing to China and Mexico so companies could pay workers less in wages, while polluting their environments. But that answer is inconvenient because Bill Clinton (with Summers help) passed NAFTA and granted permanent normal trade relations to China*


*the story here Bill Clinton’s Last Great Victory Is the Reason Hillary Gets Hammered on Trade Today
"On May 24, 2000, Bill Clinton clinched what many believed would be the last great legislative victory of his presidency. That afternoon, the House of Representatives voted to award China permanent normal trade relations, effectively backing Beijing’s long-in-the-making bid to join the World Trade Organization. The historic deal had been Clinton’s top priority in the waning days of his last term—a move he hoped would improve relations with the world’s most populous nation, while cementing his own legacy of using free trade to advance America’s foreign policy interests. It had been opposed by labor unions wary of competition from poorly paid foreign workers and championed by corporations salivating over 1.3 billion potential Chinese customers (the business lobby had spent millions on TV ads supporting the pact). In the end, after much wrangling, 73 Democrats joined 164 Republicans to pass the agreement, which was expected to glide through the Senate."​
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How convenient it is to forget Nixon opened up China. This Soviet era revisionist history is really beyond ignorant.
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
How convenient it is to forget Nixon opened up China. This Soviet era revisionist history is really beyond ignorant.
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I enjoy Nixon talk. To me, he was either extremely good at what he did, or extremely bad. There was not much in the middle. His reign was quite the period in American history. So much happened.
I sometimes wonder if he were still alive and coherent, what he would say about China today? How would he look back at what he did.
Would he wish he could put that genie back in the bottle?
Or would he just shrug and say, "It was going to happen anyway?"
 
Joe Fan said:
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this is exactly why I said when we look back on this we are going to feel pretty stupid for how we overreacted. I still say that the death toll will not break 50K for the world and the biggest effect will be the impoverished countries that don't have the resources to care for their people.
 
Clean said:
The Chi-Coms lied through their teeth right up until the virus spread to other countries and they couldn't do any more spin control. Confirms what we already knew.
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That is the thing - whether they actually engineered it in a lab is an open question. We can set that aside for the moment.
But what we do know now, with zero doubt, is that they lied about it, attempted to cover it up, arrested their own citizens if they attempted to discuss it on SM, had their media say nothing about it and refused to ban travel heading into a gigantic national holiday.
They fact that our media refuses to cover this is scandalous.
 
Horn6721 said:
Agree JF
And I think media is crapping on this to TRY to discredit Trump at the expense of people's well being
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We keep referring to them as the media? Do we call Joseph Goebbels the Nazi media? CNN, the Washington Post, MSNBC and many others are the Propaganda arms of the DNC. They do and say exactly what the DNC tells them to say. They spin it exactly how the DNC wants them to spin it. There is no difference between Joseph Goebbels and CNN.
 
Joe Fan said:
They fact that our media refuses to cover this is scandalous.
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Seems almost treasonous to me. In stead of standing up to China, they'd rather appease them, like Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler. I don't get it. Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil empire. I'd say China is at least as evil as the Soviet Union was.
 
Clean said:
Seems almost treasonous to me. In stead of standing up to China, they'd rather appease them, like Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler. I don't get it. Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil empire. I'd say China is at least as evil as the Soviet Union was.
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The one is pretty good -- the answer is paragraph 20
I guess the foreign national owner of the NYT has a lot of business in China?
 
This one is ABC

Basically they boldly allege someone died taking the drug Trump mentioned. Thus, the drug that Trump talks about could kill you. Trump pushes untested drug

The reality is some moron drank some fish tank cleaner. Anything in the wrong dose can kill you (even water). The drug Trump mentioned has been around for 80 years and is taking daily by folks in certain parts of the world (the malaria areas)

What did we ever do to deserve such a dishonest media?
 
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Joe Fan said:
The last big global killer endemic was the Spanish Flu ending around 1919, killing ~675k when the US population was ~100M (was a misnomer too as it actually began in Kansas). From then forward, we mostly got on top of things and had no more infectious global killers again until ~1990. Something changed around 1990. Since then, 7 or 8 of new, previously unknown infectious killers have popped up. Those have mostly been viruses, and mostly jumped from animal to man. Hatfill says it is not easy for an animal virus to live in a human host. But once they do make that jump, they become very dangerous. Viruses live to replicate themselves, so they are always trying. And what changed in the early 1990s is we have never had the human population densities that we have now, combined with international travel and globalism. It's a new world out there and the experts do not know what is going to happen. Hatfill thinks we are entering "the age of pandemics."

Today, the current fear in the rest of Asia (Tibet, India, Thailand for example) is that this is going to jump borders and get into their own mass density population centers. And they lack the proper infrastructure to treat and contain the coronavirus. They are not close to being ready. This is one of the ways the Spanish Flu spread - there was a total lack of proper medical infrastructure to contain it. So these countries are in something of a panic at the moment.

Back in China, Wuhan is huge, with more people than NYC. You may have noticed the CCP has finally gotten serious and fired all the medical heads in Wuhan (who issued a public apology). Some people are even already calling this the "Chinese Chernobyl." There you not just had substandard Soviet construction/engineering, but you also had the corrupt, dishonest Govt cover up and lying which compounded the errors. They see many parallels with the current CCP.

Lastly, if you like this stuff, here is Hatfill's newest book Amazon product ASIN 1700120298
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I wrote about the Spanish Flu in here in late Jan. It's something of a misnomer since most people now think it originated in Kansas
But now comes a Canadian researcher who has a fact-based theory that even the Spanish Flu started in China
https://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-pandemic-historian-says
 
Joe Fan said:
But now comes a Canadian researcher who has a fact-based theory that even the Spanish Flu started in China
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Interesting. I'm sure conditions in China through the last century and into this one were no worse than conditions in India, Bangladesh, etc. I'm sure diets consisted of whatever the people could get. Why do these things always come from China? Why not India?
 
I have a friend in Northern Italy
He took this of his town from a bike using a goproMAX
Neither he nor his parent nor his grandparents have ever seen their streets this empty for anything
 
Joe Fan said:
This one is CNN
You have to read 5 para down to get to ....
“A childhood friend of Makamba's told CNN he was suffering from a rare condition known as Myasthenia gravis, a chronic, neuromuscular illness, and had undergone surgery to remove a tumor from his chest last year.”​

Zororo Makamba, prominent 30-year-old Zimbabwe broadcaster dies of coronavirus - CNN
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Every DR in this country needs to get a copy of that letter immediately. I went over 10 years without getting a cold or the flu by taking Zicam every time I felt like I was about to get sick. That ended this year when I got the flu in Dec., but I was doing a lot of flying. Dr only told me this years strain of the flu, not A or B.
 
Then Trump says he wants to start opening things back up by Easter April 12.

The Travis/Williamson Co. shelter in place extends to April 13.
 
We are supposedly on lockdown here, but I'm about to go to the dealer and have my Navigator washed and pick up my pants at the cleaners.
 
Run Pincher said:
Every DR in this country needs to get a copy of that letter immediately. I went over 10 years without getting a cold or the flu by taking Zicam every time I felt like I was about to get sick. That ended this year when I got the flu in Dec., but I was doing a lot of flying. Dr only told me this years strain of the flu, not A or B.
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I went about ten years without getting sick. Then my son went to preschool, and now I get sick every year.
 
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