Seattle Husker
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Aren't there people on the no-fly list that are already in the US? I seem to remember name confusion with American citizens that were having trouble traveling domestically.
Another shooter -- usual suspects scramling on blame game
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Aren't there people on the no-fly list that are already in the US? I seem to remember name confusion with American citizens that were having trouble traveling domestically.
Joe Fan
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Apparently so -- our current immigration policy is to let anyone in who wants in and not even a no-fly list will get in the way. How about we agree to lift the ban to allow exit? No return.
Clean
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They had their hopes set on the culprits being Christian extremists, so this is the worse possible scenario for them. They're trying to bury the fact that ISIS has struck us OVER HERE with gun control mumbo jumbo.
I heard that the terrorist couple had $30,000 worth of weaponry, ammunition, bomb making materials, and the like stored at their house. That's a lot given his $50,000 salary. It probably indicates that they were getting some cash infusion from like-minded folks.
First the police reported they each had a Gopro. Then they denied it
Wonder why
Now that whacko Muslim who is head of CAIR in LA said America is also to blame for enraging Muslims so much they have to go commit terror in the name of their religion.
Sounds like the azzhole got his talking points from B O
Wonder why
Now that whacko Muslim who is head of CAIR in LA said America is also to blame for enraging Muslims so much they have to go commit terror in the name of their religion.
Sounds like the azzhole got his talking points from B O
Seattle Husker
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There's always a lot of incorrect information reported by the media at the outset.
Seattle Husker
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On the record or unnamed law enforcement official?
MobiusHorn
100+ Posts
Just some "fun" facts for consideration
See a pattern?
See a pattern?
texas_ex2000
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The vast majority of these "gun deaths" are suicides. Suicide has a high correlation to isolation and economics as those states would indicate, however suicide has no correlation to gun ownership. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but prohibit guns.Just some "fun" facts for consideration
See a pattern?
If you look at gun homicides, the further you move away from urban area with low per capita gun ownership into rural areas with high per capita gun ownership, gun homicides per capita drops.
This has been debated numerous times here and in the media, your graphs don't illustrate anything
And you graphs have nothing to do with terrorism.
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LtSwtCrude
Guest
On Hannity tonight.. posed the following question to his guest...
"How can the President of the United States be at this level of denial which is now bordering on a pathological illness of some kind?"
Guest responded... "nobody in his bubble wants to tell him what the truth is... it's clear he's isolated from America and from the threat...
... it's an incredible combination of arrogance and ignorance...
....we have people in the White House, deputy national security advisers, whose qualifications are masters degree in fictional writing and fine arts...
... we have incompetence mixed with arrogance and combined with isolation."
Host is Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Marine Corp University -- his parents were immigrants from Soviet Hungary... they were in refugee camps before coming to America.. @SebGorka twitter
"How can the President of the United States be at this level of denial which is now bordering on a pathological illness of some kind?"
Guest responded... "nobody in his bubble wants to tell him what the truth is... it's clear he's isolated from America and from the threat...
... it's an incredible combination of arrogance and ignorance...
....we have people in the White House, deputy national security advisers, whose qualifications are masters degree in fictional writing and fine arts...
... we have incompetence mixed with arrogance and combined with isolation."
Host is Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Marine Corp University -- his parents were immigrants from Soviet Hungary... they were in refugee camps before coming to America.. @SebGorka twitter
Or - there is good information that does not fit the narrative that then gets "forgotten" or denied in later so-called reporting.
Joe Fan
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Dating profile
Farook listed his political views as “very liberal."
“I am born and raised here, I try to live as a good Muslim, looking for a girl who has the same outlook, wear hijab, but live the life to the fullest, be my partner for snow boarding, to go out and eat with friends, go camping, working on cars with me. Also be calm cool thought full, love to spend time with friends and family,”
Farook listed his political views as “very liberal."
“I am born and raised here, I try to live as a good Muslim, looking for a girl who has the same outlook, wear hijab, but live the life to the fullest, be my partner for snow boarding, to go out and eat with friends, go camping, working on cars with me. Also be calm cool thought full, love to spend time with friends and family,”
Joe Fan
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The Mother Jones guy (of all people) is actually fighting the good fight about all these bogus claims about "mass shootings" that have been flying around.
Mark Follman is editor of Mother Jones. He recently wrote that the left’s claims of “355 mass shootings” this year is wholly exaggerated and the actual number is four. Mother Jones’ research shows 73 total mass shootings since 1982.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/opinion/how-many-mass-shootings-are-there-really.html?_r=1
"At Mother Jones, where I work as an editor, we have complied an in-depth open-source database covering more than three decades of public mass shootings. By our measure, there have been four “mass shootings” this year, including the one in San Bernardino, and at least 73 such attacks since 1982...."
The faulty stats come from places like Shooting Tracker which defines “mass shooting" in their own unique way (3 or more people shot in an event, or related series of events, likely without a cooling off period). Their definition allows for gang violence and drive-bys. Death is not even required. Further, one shooting incident is not one shooting incident. Every time three people are injured, Shooting Tracker, et al., counts that as multiple mass shootings.
Obviously, these folks invented new categories and new definitions to better fit a narrative and push a political agenda. They are playing games with stats. In the reality-based world, a shooting in which no one is killed is just that -- "a shooting," or perhaps “attempted murder” as it has always been defined. A shooting where someone is killed is a murder. If two are killed, it’s a double murder. If three are killed–as in the November 27 Planned Parenthood attack–it’s a triple murder. Only when four or more are killed does “mass shooting” apply.
According to Mother Jones, the 4 attacks this year that qualify as mass shooting are Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church (9 killed), the military offices in Chattanooga (5 killed). Umpqua Community College (9 killed), and San Bernardino (14 killed).
Follman contacted the Shooting Tracker people (they are a reddit invention) to see what was up and they openly admitted what they were doing, saying they did not care, what they cared about was making a point.
Mark Follman is editor of Mother Jones. He recently wrote that the left’s claims of “355 mass shootings” this year is wholly exaggerated and the actual number is four. Mother Jones’ research shows 73 total mass shootings since 1982.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/opinion/how-many-mass-shootings-are-there-really.html?_r=1
"At Mother Jones, where I work as an editor, we have complied an in-depth open-source database covering more than three decades of public mass shootings. By our measure, there have been four “mass shootings” this year, including the one in San Bernardino, and at least 73 such attacks since 1982...."
The faulty stats come from places like Shooting Tracker which defines “mass shooting" in their own unique way (3 or more people shot in an event, or related series of events, likely without a cooling off period). Their definition allows for gang violence and drive-bys. Death is not even required. Further, one shooting incident is not one shooting incident. Every time three people are injured, Shooting Tracker, et al., counts that as multiple mass shootings.
Obviously, these folks invented new categories and new definitions to better fit a narrative and push a political agenda. They are playing games with stats. In the reality-based world, a shooting in which no one is killed is just that -- "a shooting," or perhaps “attempted murder” as it has always been defined. A shooting where someone is killed is a murder. If two are killed, it’s a double murder. If three are killed–as in the November 27 Planned Parenthood attack–it’s a triple murder. Only when four or more are killed does “mass shooting” apply.
According to Mother Jones, the 4 attacks this year that qualify as mass shooting are Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church (9 killed), the military offices in Chattanooga (5 killed). Umpqua Community College (9 killed), and San Bernardino (14 killed).
Follman contacted the Shooting Tracker people (they are a reddit invention) to see what was up and they openly admitted what they were doing, saying they did not care, what they cared about was making a point.
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Joe Fan
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Looks like our couple was also trying to make bombs from Christmas Lights.
The NYT wrote, "…Among the components investigators seized from the couple’s house were items common to the manufacture of pipe bombs but also “miniature Christmas tree lamps.” A recent issue of Inspire, an online magazine published by an arm of Al Qaeda, included an article, “Designing a Timed Hand Grenade,” with step-by-step instructions for making a delayed igniter with a Christmas tree lamp...."
(link to NYT failed, not sure why)
As a reminder, the Tsarnaves used Christmas lights to make bomb fuses.
From a recent issue of Al-Qaeda’s Inspire magazin
The NYT wrote, "…Among the components investigators seized from the couple’s house were items common to the manufacture of pipe bombs but also “miniature Christmas tree lamps.” A recent issue of Inspire, an online magazine published by an arm of Al Qaeda, included an article, “Designing a Timed Hand Grenade,” with step-by-step instructions for making a delayed igniter with a Christmas tree lamp...."
(link to NYT failed, not sure why)
As a reminder, the Tsarnaves used Christmas lights to make bomb fuses.
From a recent issue of Al-Qaeda’s Inspire magazin
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LtSwtCrude
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Truth is at a premium these days.
Joe Fan
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In contrast to the current "narrative" being advanced by lefties today, that gun violence in America is getting worse all the time, the data reveal that the exact opposite is true. According to the CDC, there were 7 firearm-related homicides for every 100,000 Americans in 1993 (see light blue line in chart below). By 2013 (most recent year available), the gun homicide rate had fallen by nearly 50% to only 3.6 homicides per 100,000 population.
Why? How do we account for these facts?
-- More police?
-- Less alcoholism?
-- Economic factors?
What about this reason --> Increased gun ownership. The complete opposite of what you will hear on TV today.
The number of privately owned firearms in US increased from about 185M in 1993 to 357M in 2013. Adjusted for the US population, the number of guns per American increased from 0.93 per person in 1993 to 1.45 in 2013, which is a 56% increase in gun ownership that occurred during the same period when gun violence decreased by 49%. Even though this is a high correlation, it doesn’t necessarily imply causation. Still, it’s logical to believe that the two trends are related. After all, armed citizens frequently prevent crimes from happening, including gun-related homicides.
Even if you dont want to accept this correlation (that increased gun ownership has reduced violent crime and gun homicides), you should at least agree to one fact that is indisputable -- Gun violence has been decreasing significantly over time (not increasing as we hear from the gun-haters). The gun-related homicide rate of 3.6 deaths per 100,000 population in each of the years 2010, 2011 and 2013 makes those recent years the safest in at least 20 years, and possibly the safest in modern US history, since older data (pre-1993) suggests gun violence might have been even more widespread previously.
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I don't usually post to partisan/ideological sites like Daily Caller, but this is worth noting. It pretty accurately describes a disgusting article in the New York Daily News that basically suggests that one of the shooting victims got what was coming to him because he was an outspoken conservative Christian.
The public discourse on this incident is really sick.
The public discourse on this incident is really sick.
texas_ex2000
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Great data Joe. Really surprised, but not really, at the subjective/idiotic definition of mass shootings being used.In contrast to the current "narrative" being advanced by lefties today, that gun violence in America is getting worse all the time, the data reveal that the exact opposite is true. According to the CDC, there were 7 firearm-related homicides for every 100,000 Americans in 1993 (see light blue line in chart below). By 2013 (most recent year available), the gun homicide rate had fallen by nearly 50% to only 3.6 homicides per 100,000 population.
Why? How do we account for these facts?
-- More police?
-- Less alcoholism?
-- Economic factors?
What about this reason --> Increased gun ownership. The complete opposite of what you will hear on TV today.
The number of privately owned firearms in US increased from about 185M in 1993 to 357M in 2013. Adjusted for the US population, the number of guns per American increased from 0.93 per person in 1993 to 1.45 in 2013, which is a 56% increase in gun ownership that occurred during the same period when gun violence decreased by 49%. Even though this is a high correlation, it doesn’t necessarily imply causation. Still, it’s logical to believe that the two trends are related. After all, armed citizens frequently prevent crimes from happening, including gun-related homicides.
Even if you dont want to accept this correlation (that increased gun ownership has reduced violent crime and gun homicides), you should at least agree to one fact that is indisputable -- Gun violence has been decreasing significantly over time (not increasing as we hear from the gun-haters). The gun-related homicide rate of 3.6 deaths per 100,000 population in each of the years 2010, 2011 and 2013 makes those recent years the safest in at least 20 years, and possibly the safest in modern US history, since older data (pre-1993) suggests gun violence might have been even more widespread previously.
I think you build a great case. And here's the thing, you shouldn't even have to be this thorough. When it comes to Constitutional, correction, Natural rights, the arguments used to revoke rights should be unimpeachable. And the left doesn't come close to that philosophically, legally, logically, and empirically.
Here's another thing that doesn't make sense. If the US is so backwards and dangerous with our gun laws/ "culture," then why do we have thousands of immigrants from Mexico and South America, where guns are prohibited risking life and limb to get here legally or illegally? Why are thousands of Asians, the fastest growing immigrant population, coming here from countries that prohibit guns? Why are tens of thousands of Syrian refugees seeking asylum here in our dangerous and backwards country when Syria outlaws guns?
The answer is because the United States stands for Liberty. Without Liberty, you don't have all the other amazing art/technology/opportunities. As the French lady in Hudson Bay attests to, that is what people all over the World are begging for and seeking. The right to defend yourself, the value of the individual human being is what America is about. That Cowboy out in the frontier with only his wits, horse, Colt, and Henry to make something of himself is, whether we like it or not, what others see when they hear the word "American." And they all respect that and many want to be their own version of one.
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I've read a mess of editorials on the issue in the last few days, and they are utter garbage. They are full of emotion, phony assumptions, and self-righteous indignation and have no substance whatsoever. Serious media sources should be hanging their heads in shame.
texas_ex2000
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And again, this was a terrorist attack...we've been suckered into replying to gun control trolls.
Joe Fan
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The San Bernardino shooter's dad says his son hated Israel and Jews. NYDN writer says the Orthodox Jew made it happen.
His crime? Being hated
Joe Fan
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Some reports out there that she used a fake address on her visa application.
Also that several members of her family belong to the terrorist outfit Ahlay Sunnat Wal Jamaat – formerly known as Sipah-e-Sahaba (the Army of the Prophet’s Companions) .
Either one or both of these should have DQd her application.
http://www.dw.com/en/the-deadly-link-between-san-bernardino-and-pakistan/a-18897198
Also that several members of her family belong to the terrorist outfit Ahlay Sunnat Wal Jamaat – formerly known as Sipah-e-Sahaba (the Army of the Prophet’s Companions) .
Either one or both of these should have DQd her application.
http://www.dw.com/en/the-deadly-link-between-san-bernardino-and-pakistan/a-18897198
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