Are we counting Marjorie Taylor Greene as five? Is that how math works in Oklahoma?
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Are we counting Marjorie Taylor Greene as five? Is that how math works in Oklahoma?
That isn't true at all. Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Marco Rubio, Ben Sasse, and Mike Lee could all defeat Joe Biden. I'm not saying they will beat him. Anybody can piss away victory (See Hillary Clinton.), but they could beat him.
There are no 92 percent Republican congressional districts. The districts the GOP lost in 2018 in Texas used to be strong Republican districts that had recently gained large minority populations and became swing districts. They were still very winnable when the GOP didn't have an ******* at the top of the party. Basically, if the President had been anyone but Trump, Pete Sessions and John Culberson (neither of whom were disliked in their districts) would still be in Congress.
Seattle Husker
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Thanks for your feedback. Father's Day is just around the corner. PM me your address and I'll send you a mirror so uou can see the projection.
OUBubba
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Who was this? Just curious.
OUBubba
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Guessing here: MTG, Bohbert, Louis G., Matt Gaetz, and ____________?
I don't think any of them except MTG actually believes The Big Lie, and I'm only about 80 percent sure of that. I think they repeat it, but I don't think they personally believe it. I've interviewed Louis Gohmert. He's not as dumb as he seems. That is an act.
Just curious to know if we do find evidence of fraud will you accept it or find a way to rationalize it like the libs in here will do.
I will accept it, and I have no problem with investigating allegations of fraud or cheating. I say bring it on. If it happened, I'd definitely want to know it. I'm probably more skeptical than I'd otherwise be, because of how Trump went about it both in and out of court. But if someone brings real evidence, I'm all ears.
OUBubba
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Then give that dude a Golden Globe.
Good it hear. We'll have to disagree on how Trump handled it but that's fine.
Horns11
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Did Trump handle it well?
OUBubba
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Seriously? Trump cost the GOP the Senate and fueled an insurrection because he's such a narcissist. He should have done nothing after 11/20 but campaigned in Georgia. He did nothing but hurt the GOP there.
Those are just MSM talking points, bud. Powell and Wood did a lot of damage by telling Georgia people not to vote. The turnout wasn't bad but it could have been better.
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Gohmert graduated from A&M, where he was a leader in student politics and the corps. He graduated from Baylor Law, served a stint in the JAG corps and was a district judge and appellate judge in east Texas before getting elected to the legislature and then Congress. He rode the tea party wave. He is a lot of things but dumb is not one of them. He is real bright. A lot of pols play dumb and are real bright.
Most of the GOP congress critters know there was not massive voter fraud but they also read the papers and know a big bunch of their constituents believe there was. Sort of like a lot of dems still believe the Russians stole an election which that Vitch on the Vroom really won. Idiots.. But if they are voting in your primary you cater to them and go on about the nation's business, whatever you perceive that to be.
I don't blame my congress critter for talking about how sweet the kool aid is because that is what is necessary to protect me from an even denser congress critter.
The legislation pushed by republicans in various states is aimed at placating their base and preventing large scale fraud, which is made easier by a lot of the stuff the dems insist is necessary. Late registration, using any old id for voting, letting the polling places stay open longer, having more polling places than the republicans can have poll watchers at are not guarantees of mass fraud but they sure make it easier.
Most of the GOP congress critters know there was not massive voter fraud but they also read the papers and know a big bunch of their constituents believe there was. Sort of like a lot of dems still believe the Russians stole an election which that Vitch on the Vroom really won. Idiots.. But if they are voting in your primary you cater to them and go on about the nation's business, whatever you perceive that to be.
I don't blame my congress critter for talking about how sweet the kool aid is because that is what is necessary to protect me from an even denser congress critter.
The legislation pushed by republicans in various states is aimed at placating their base and preventing large scale fraud, which is made easier by a lot of the stuff the dems insist is necessary. Late registration, using any old id for voting, letting the polling places stay open longer, having more polling places than the republicans can have poll watchers at are not guarantees of mass fraud but they sure make it easier.
OUBubba
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But Powell and Wood were working on behalf of THE PRESIDENT. Any damage done by them was done by him. There is no way to reasonably view Trump's behavior between the two elections as helpful to the two GOP Senators.
Dude, they were NOT working on behalf of the president. They said to not vote, he told the people TO vote.
Seattle Husker
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They weren't working for the POTUS but had his tacit approval and Trump used his soapbox to echo their claims. Powell even met with Trump in the oval office. Claiming Trump isn't culpable for GA simply because he said "vote" is straight revisionist history. It belies the efforts of the months prior of telling their voters that they were cheated, their vote was "stolen", there is no integrity, etc. It didn't matter who did or did not say "vote". Telling them their vote didn't matter because of the baseless fraud claim suppressed the vote.
OUBubba
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He came in at the end to skirt on their tails for fundraising purposes. The amount of money he got for "stop the steal" should be criminal.
Got any data to back that up or just wild conjecture? The republican turnout wasn't bad.
I have no qualms with this premise. The nation has suffered by installing Dementia Joe and his puppeteers. They will never again elect anyone from either party who is over the age of 70 IMO. As relates to DJT, there would be the secondary concerns about health give how much weight he appears to have shed just in the past five months...it certainly could be healthier living but it could also be indicia of something that precludes dealing with a four-year stressor three years down the road.
Seattle Husker
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You can find the answers you seek from a wide variety of political spectrum opinions here.
Summary: There is always a reduction in voter turnout for special elections. This special election didn't see as large of a dropoff as previous elections. The fall-off in voter participation rates was greater in counties Trump won.
Voter fraud in lib counties?
Seattle Husker
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In some alternate universe, maybe. Not sure we should make assessments on conjecture but rather facts and data which each of the 4 viewpoints in the that link attempt to do.
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How about a universe where the following occurs:
Lawsuit to Remove Dead Voters in Pennsylvania Ends with Win for Election Integrity | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Urges White House Rescind Appointment of Justin Levitt to Senior Policy Advisor for Democracy and Voting Rights | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
Harris County, TX Sued to Prevent Noncitizen Voter Registration | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
AZ Public Integrity Alliance v. Fontes | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Sues Michigan SOS for Southfield Clerk Voting Data | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Sues Illinois for Failing to Disclose Registered Voter Data | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/PILF-Amicus-Brief-Zignego.pdf
Lawsuit to Remove Dead Voters in Pennsylvania Ends with Win for Election Integrity | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Urges White House Rescind Appointment of Justin Levitt to Senior Policy Advisor for Democracy and Voting Rights | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
Harris County, TX Sued to Prevent Noncitizen Voter Registration | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
AZ Public Integrity Alliance v. Fontes | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Sues Michigan SOS for Southfield Clerk Voting Data | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
PILF Sues Illinois for Failing to Disclose Registered Voter Data | Public Interest Legal FoundationPublic Interest Legal Foundation
https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/PILF-Amicus-Brief-Zignego.pdf
Seattle Husker
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Where lawsuits are filed to clean up voter roles? It's a pretty big jump from aged voter roles to voter fraud but I'm certain you know that thus want to distract.
Let's look at it from the standpoint that the voting process could use some improvement and is far from perfect.
Seattle Husker
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C-Span's 2021 Presidential Historian's survey has been released.
Not that this shouldn't be anticipated but Presidential Historians (142 currently in the poll) have a markedly unfavorable view of Trump.
The 2021 scores is where Trump ranked among all 44 POTUS. His final ranking of 41 came in tied with Franklin Pierce and he defeated Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan by a sizable margin.
The disparity between the perspective of Trump's Job Performance from his supporters and those who disagree must be the most stark of any POTUS in history.
If he runs in 2024, this is a sample of what Trump will be running against from a majority of voters.
Not that this shouldn't be anticipated but Presidential Historians (142 currently in the poll) have a markedly unfavorable view of Trump.
The 2021 scores is where Trump ranked among all 44 POTUS. His final ranking of 41 came in tied with Franklin Pierce and he defeated Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan by a sizable margin.
The disparity between the perspective of Trump's Job Performance from his supporters and those who disagree must be the most stark of any POTUS in history.
If he runs in 2024, this is a sample of what Trump will be running against from a majority of voters.
Horn2RunAgain
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C-Span's 2021 Presidential Historian's survey has been released.
Not that this shouldn't be anticipated but Presidential Historians (142 currently in the poll) have a markedly unfavorable view of Trump.
The 2021 scores is where Trump ranked among all 44 POTUS. His final ranking of 41 came in tied with Franklin Pierce and he defeated Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan by a sizable margin.
The disparity between the perspective of Trump's Job Performance from his supporters and those who disagree must be the most stark of any POTUS in history.
If he runs in 2024, this is a sample of what Trump will be running against from a majority of voters.
Who cares about a survey like this? Not a dig at you, but very few give credence to this.
When the RGV votes red in numbers not seen in my adult yrs, you know the "poll" is BS
Historically low unemployment for all (minorities included). THAT's what matters
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=methodology
142 surveys completed and returned, up from 91 four years ago...
That tells me there were a lot of people with agendas.
142 surveys completed and returned, up from 91 four years ago...
That tells me there were a lot of people with agendas.
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