2024 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Seattle Husker]

Waiting for SeaHusker to comment , since this is supposedly a hot button with him....

What are you expecting? Racial comments are abhorrent regardless of political affiliation. The Lamar County Dem Party Chair should step down. According to thehill.com:

O’Connor also offered his resignation to the party, but local party officials said they had declined to accept it.

I can't fathom why they wouldn't accept it. It does seem the local party officials in both parties are some of the most partisan. Heck, you can extend it to the State party apparatus. All of them should stay off Social Media and ensure their speeches aren't filmed for their own political survival.

 

[huisache]

the people who do the grunt work in local parties are a mixed bag and the bag contains some real poisonous people and some real idiots. They are kind of fun to hang with during election cycles if you can stay composed. Some are so clueless that it is past being comic. If old Joe has been a steady and reliable hand at putting up signs and passing leaflets and making phone calls, well who wants to dump on him if he doesn't see where he caused a problem? I never did and I saw a lot of crazy behavior that never got noticed and thus never got called out.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The big flaw in it is that it requires Trump to have the self-awareness to see that his age would be a drawback and that his ego would tolerate someone else getting the attention. Obviously he hates and is humiliated by the idea of losing, so I don't think he'd run if he thought he would lose especially in the primary, becaue he'd have no one to blame but himself. However, at least right now, though the January 6th riot is politically toxic in a general election, it clearly did very little damage to him among Republican voters. That's why Liz Cheney is in trouble.

And what's very telling about Trump and his influence is that his preferred conference chair is Elise Stefanik (R-NY). I generally like Stefanik. She's young and well-spoken and frankly, kinda cute, and all of that plays well in her moderate, North Country New York district, which might otherwise elect Democrats. (Outside of the New York City metro area, New York Democrats are more moderate.) However, she has a significantly less conservative record than Cheney does. Her big asset is that she's a bigger Trump loyalist than Cheney is.

I think a big factor will be the 2022 elections. What's going to happen to the Republicans who voted to impeach? If they win their primaries decisively, then Trump might be more cautious. However, if they all or mostly get defeated, I think he'll definitely run again barring some major health problem.

The GOP has long since moved past having a set of principles to follow. Party loyalty is all that remains that there is only one test that matters.

Trump supporters don't even care that Stefanik borders on liberal for most social issues. As long as she supports Trump they don't care. He's the pied piper of the Trumpican movement.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Trump supporters don't even care that Stefanik borders on liberal for most social issues. As long as she supports Trump they don't care. .

A non biased, or a semi intelligent person could figure this one out.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

A non biased, or a semi intelligent person could figure this one out.

Not all conservatives are locked in their beliefs, some have a few left leaning values.

Some folks need to get out more

 

[Mr. Deez]

The GOP has long since moved past having a set of principles to follow. Party loyalty is all that remains that there is only one test that matters.

Trump supporters don't even care that Stefanik borders on liberal for most social issues. As long as she supports Trump they don't care. He's the pied piper of the Trumpican movement.

It's not even loyalty to the party. It's personal loyalty to Trump. On actual issues and voting, Cheney has been more loyal to the party and even voted with Trump on policy more than Stefanik. But Stefanik voted with Trump on what mattered to the party base - protecting Trump from consequence. I detest that this personal loyalty crap.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Not all conservatives are locked in their beliefs, some have a few left leaning values.

Some folks need to get out more

That may be true, but Republican Party base voters used to pride themselves on being solid conservatives on issues (economic and social) and on prioritizing issues over superficialities. We're now allowing that to be subordinated to personal loyalty to Donald Trump. We're dumping the longstanding ideological conservative who voted with Trump on issues but wasn't loyal to him for the young (and cute) moderate who is less conservative on issues and was personally loyal to Trump.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

That may be true, but Republican Party base voters used to pride themselves on being solid conservatives on issues (economic and social) and on prioritizing issues over superficialities. We're now allowing that to be subordinated to personal loyalty to Donald Trump. We're dumping the longstanding ideological conservative who voted with Trump on issues but wasn't loyal to him for the young (and cute) moderate who is less conservative on issues and was personally loyal to Trump.

Respectfully disagree. Trump has a great following b/c of his many fixes and stance on long standing issues (illegal immigration, needed dismantling of the failure known as Obamacare, woke culture that has crept in for many years prior to 2012, a terribly slow economic recovery).

There are issues I don't agree with him on, but his movement was definitely a push in the right direction. If someone is looking for a candidate that is spot on for 100% of what they believe in, they're in unicorn territory. Doesn't exist. Trump was a great step fwd to get us back on track

Doubt seriously he'll win the nom in 2024 even tho I'd vote for him if he was on the ticket. I think someone younger picking up the torch is best armed to win

 

[Horn6721]

Horn2
I understand and agree except it was the force of Trump and the experience as well as the just do what is right to get the country moving . Could someone else do it? For instance is there someone else who would risk the faux good will of the Euros to get them to start paying their share of NATO?

 

[OUBubba]

Respectfully disagree. Trump has a great following b/c of his many fixes and stance on long standing issues (illegal immigration, needed dismantling of the failure known as Obamacare, woke culture that has crept in for many years prior to 2012, a terribly slow economic recovery).

There are issues I don't agree with him on, but his movement was definitely a push in the right direction. If someone is looking for a candidate that is spot on for 100% of what they believe in, they're in unicorn territory. Doesn't exist. Trump was a great step fwd to get us back on track

Doubt seriously he'll win the nom in 2024 even tho I'd vote for him if he was on the ticket. I think someone younger picking up the torch is best armed to win

Your party should have taken the opportunity presented to you multiple times to flush him out of your party. That door has closed. Maybe SDNY can do it for you. The Dems should want him limping along with a 38% base and approval rating.

 

[Seattle Husker]

It's not even loyalty to the party. It's personal loyalty to Trump. On actual issues and voting, Cheney has been more loyal to the party and even voted with Trump on policy more than Stefanik. But Stefanik voted with Trump on what mattered to the party base - protecting Trump from consequence. I detest that this personal loyalty crap.

That's the key. It's not loyalty to ideals but rather loyalty to Trump with some inane belief that only he can move the ball forward. That's not a positive for American democracy but rather historically leads to autocratic rule. Fortunately, enough of the voting populace clearly saw the warning signs in 2020. This last election demonstrated a gap of 7+M people in candidates voting for POTUS. Hopefully that gap will be greater in 2024 when Trump again gains the R nomination. At some point his supporters will have to realize that his lone win was by the skin of his teeth and the losses are real, not the fraud he claims.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Horn2
I understand and agree except it was the force of Trump and the experience as well as the just do what is right to get the country moving . Could someone else do it? For instance is there someone else who would risk the faux good will of the Euros to get them to start paying their share of NATO?

Ted Cruz

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Your party should have taken the opportunity presented to you multiple times to flush him out of your party. That door has closed. Maybe SDNY can do it for you. The Dems should want him limping along with a 38% base and approval rating.

Says the guy who prefers a POTUS with dementia...

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

That's the key. It's not loyalty to ideals but rather loyalty to Trump with some inane belief that only he can move the ball forward. .

I really don't want to go deeper in this conversation (road to nowhere with you) but the above is msnbc, cnn nonsense. Anyone with the above opinion is either hyper insulated from the real world, or is unwilling to recognize what's truth

 

[HornHuskerDad]

2024 when Trump again gains the R nomination.

SH, don't be so sure. IMO, Trump will not be the GOP candidate in 2024 - he will realize that his age would be a huge demerit. I can see him being a kingmaker in the GOP convention, but I don't see him as the nominee. The GOP will read the tea leaves and move on after the mid-term elections - just my opinion.

 

[Monahorns]

DeSantis seems like a much more efficient executive than Trump. He would be an upgrade with a more conservative agenda and would address issues more intelligently.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

DeSantis is my preferred pick right now too.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Respectfully disagree. Trump has a great following b/c of his many fixes and stance on long standing issues (illegal immigration, needed dismantling of the failure known as Obamacare, woke culture that has crept in for many years prior to 2012, a terribly slow economic recovery).

But if issues are the motivation, then why toss someone whose policy agenda was closer to Trump's for someone whose policy was more often in conflict with his?

 

[bystander]

Many clearly don't care about income inequality, likely because they benefit from it.

It's the same story different topic with systemic racism. If you have been the beneficiary then it's not in your best interest to recognize it or even change the system.

These comments are personal hang-ups on your part and mean nothing. You are indoctrinated. Because of your political extremism, you have glossed over the careers of millions of people who did the right thing for 40-50 years. These comments mean nothing except to set-up hard-working Americans to be taxed and made to feel as if they are evil racists.

I reject that. COMPLETELY. It's not credible.

 

[OUBubba]

I really don't want to go deeper in this conversation (road to nowhere with you) but the above is msnbc, cnn nonsense. Anyone with the above opinion is either hyper insulated from the real world, or is unwilling to recognize what's truth

Bull crap. Stefanik is more moderate than most. She has bent and kissed the ring. Cheney has not. Word is only about 5 on the hill actually believe the big lie. The rest are just playing to their base and their orange leader.

 

[OUBubba]

SH, don't be so sure. IMO, Trump will not be the GOP candidate in 2024 - he will realize that his age would be a huge demerit. I can see him being a kingmaker in the GOP convention, but I don't see him as the nominee. The GOP will read the tea leaves and move on after the mid-term elections - just my opinion.

You guys will have to remove him. He won’t remove himself. Too arrogant.

 

[SabreHorn]

You guys will have to remove him. He won’t remove himself. Too arrogant.

The Republican Party has NO ONE to run, certainly no one that can win.

I have been a Republican for over 40 years, live in a district that is 92%+ Republican, yet lost the congressional seat to an democrat with no experience in 2018. That is how clueless the Republican leadership is; they would rather tell you how wrong you are than correct the problems.

Maybe when John "Where's my Victoria's Secret order" Cornyn loses, possibly Ted, and likely Abbott, some changes will be made. Until then, the country is your oyster.

 

[horninchicago]

The Republican Party has NO ONE to run, certainly no one that can win.

I have been a Republican for over 40 years, live in a district that is 92%+ Republican, yet lost the congressional seat to an democrat with no experience in 2018. That is how clueless the Republican leadership is; they would rather tell you how wrong you are than correct the problems.

Maybe when John "Where's my Victoria's Secret order" Cornyn loses, possibly Ted, and likely Abbott, some changes will be made. Until then, the country is your oyster.

What about DeSantis?

 

[SabreHorn]

DeSantis is the hero I thought Ted Cruz would become, BUT he has NOTHING to appeal to the blacks, and the Hispanics won't see him as one of theirs. Hispanics don't vote anyway unless they are already dead or are paid for their ballot. I hate to think how many Hispanics in Houston have voted without ever seeing a ballot or going near a poll.

The party had a chance to keep Obama from being elected, but someone was too damn hard headed to swallow his pride, apologize, and ask for the right man's help. I think it is probably too late to revisit that possibility, but Desantis with the right running partner might get it done, but not another handpicked female like the showpony from Alaska; rather someone of substance.

 

[horninchicago]

DeSantis is the hero I thought Ted Cruz would become, BUT he has NOTHING to appeal to the blacks, and the Hispanics won't see him as one of theirs. Hispanics don't vote anyway unless they are already dead or are paid for their ballot. I hate to think how many Hispanics in Houston have voted without ever seeing a ballot or going near a poll.

The party had a chance to keep Obama from being elected, but someone was too damn hard headed to swallow his pride, apologize, and ask for the right man's help. I think it is probably too late to revisit that possibility, but Desantis with the right running partner might get it done, but not another handpicked female like the showpony from Alaska; rather someone of substance.

I agree with you 11 out of 10 times, but I think DeSantis can get it done. Watch how he deals with the media. Me likey.

 

[SabreHorn]

I hope you're correct. You and I know how good he can be for the country, but the great unwashed cretins sponging off those with jobs, just want "free ****, more free ****" and would vote for Karl Marx if necessary.

 

[HornHuskerDad]

I think DeSantis can get it done.

Hic, I agree with you. I'm not yet seeing a running mate who will bring in more voting blocs, but it's early yet. Maybe Nikki Haley?

 

[horninchicago]

Hic, I agree with you. I'm not yet seeing a running mate who will bring in more voting blocs, but it's early yet. Maybe Nikki Haley?

She may have pissed off a lot of folks when she spoke out against Trump toward the end. And yes, I mean me.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

. Word is only about 5 on the hill actually believe the big lie.

OK, with this manure, you work for the Bezos Times, right? Cmon, admit it now....

 

[SabreHorn]

If it has to be a female, Darla Moore. She has never failed at anything she's tried, has balls of steel, and knows her way around DC better than anyone in the Republican Party.

Any time the subject of women at Augusta came up over the last 2-3 decades, I always said, if there is ever a woman admitted as a member of Augusta National, the first one will be Darla Moore.

Darla could bring in more votes and DeSantis.