2022 Transfer Season

Moooooo said:
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Maryland is imploding! @Moooooo or @DFW_Horn, wasn’t there some interest between Angel and Texas/Aston? I see on IG that Angel follows TxWBB but I think that’s an old follow. If my recollection is correct, there was interest between Angel and the Texas staff but nothing serious materialized. I don’t think she ever visited campus. Those were the days when Oakman would give us reports from the East coast.
 
LutherIsMyDog said:
Maryland is imploding! @Moooooo or @DFW_Horn, wasn’t there some interest between Angel and Texas/Aston? I see on IG that Angel follows TxWBB but I think that’s an old follow. If my recollection is correct, there was interest between Angel and the Texas staff but nothing serious materialized. I don’t think she ever visited campus. Those were the days when Oakman would give us reports from the East coast.
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Yeah, Aston and her staff recruited Reese. I remember her and Endiya Rogers were very good friends; thought they'd both up at Tennessee at the time.
 
Angel Reese averaged 10.6 rebounds per game playing out of position in the post this season. Those are huge rebounding numbers for sure.
 
Reese’s top 5 coming out of high school were
-Tennessee
-Maryland
-South Carolina
- Syracuse
- USC
Tennessee has Key so I don’t see her going there, South Carolina has Boston and Kardoso so that’s a no go. Syracuse is a lost cause atm, and USC is down right now. She is the perfect big for Texas and fits our style so well. I’m not just saying it because I’m a Texas fan but it makes perfect sense in every aspect.
 
Jacob Johnson said:
Reese’s top 5 coming out of high school were
-Tennessee
-Maryland
-South Carolina
- Syracuse
- USC
Tennessee has Key so I don’t see her going there, South Carolina has Boston and Kardoso so that’s a no go. Syracuse is a lost cause atm, and USC is down right now. She is the perfect big for Texas and fits our style so well. I’m not just saying it because I’m a Texas fan but it makes perfect sense in every aspect.
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She averaged 17.8 pts, 10.6 reb and 1 block in 25 minutes per game. Yep... need one like her!
 

Message from Chevalier. I completely sympathize with her and I’m sad to know she was down so low while in Austin and I hope she finds the peace and love she couldn’t find in Austin. I don’t know how I feel about her bringing teammates into this. A statement like that implying the staff does not care for its players really could affect a program. Now she may have felt that way and everyone has a different story but I really do hope she spoke with with those she is talking about before posting those statements.
 
It's hard to believe all that. I mean, if you were so unhappy at Texas and struggling so much with depression and your mental health, why come back for the summer and Fall of your second season? Nobody forced you to come back; you made that choice. Sorry, but that just seems like an individual who is intent on blaming others for the decisions she made, and things not going according to her individual plan.
 
Moooooo said:
It's hard to believe all that. I mean, if you were so unhappy at Texas and struggling so much with depression and your mental health, why come back for the summer and Fall of your second season? Nobody forced you to come back; you made that choice. Sorry, but that just seems like an individual who is intent on blaming others for the decisions she made, and things not going according to her individual plan.
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Agreed and I don’t understand why she dogged Texas out like that. If you weren’t happy enter the portal and move on. Tell your story but no need to drag Texas and the staff. Her mother has also said a few behind the curtain comments about this staff and it’s just unnecessary. If you feel like you made the right choice by moving on then move on with your life. I do feel for her and her story but Texas didn’t need to be mentioned at all.
 
And, I'm not doubting that she was depressed her first season. There was so much going on with playing for a new coaching staff, being so far away from home, and of course, COVID. But, with the words she chose in that write-up, she is purposely wanting to damage the Texas program. I remember a tweet her Mom made at the conclusion of the prior season; it certainly did not come across like there was anything negative with her daughter's experience at Texas; I will try to find it.

Honestly, I hope she researched why so many players have transferred out of Texas Tech since Gerlich took over. If she didn't, she might be in for an unpleasant surprise in Lubbock.
 
Moooooo said:
It's hard to believe all that. I mean, if you were so unhappy at Texas and struggling so much with depression and your mental health, why come back for the summer and Fall of your second season? Nobody forced you to come back; you made that choice. Sorry, but that just seems like an individual who is intent on blaming others for the decisions she made, and things not going according to her individual plan.
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Agreed. I don't want to minimize mental health. As a person who has dealt with and still continues to deal with mental health issues myself. But I feel like if she was getting Rori's minutes she would still be at UT. But, her truth is her truth.
 
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Let’s just call it what it is. She thought she would be the starting pg after Lambert left and Harmon came in and took over and rightfully so. Ashley didn’t get playing time and was upset about it. Had she been playing significant minutes she would still be at Texas
 
I'm sorry, but the "I hate Vic and his staff, and they are to blame for my issues" stuff is getting really old and tired. She's transferring to a school with a coach that really does dislike Vic. So this whole thing smells if you ask me. I went to Texas in the late 80's, and the student services the University provided were second to none - even that long ago. In addition to free tutoring, the school offered free health clinic visits - and yes, free mental health counseling for those that needed it. And now it looks like they run it 24/7 and even offer virtual appointments (check out UT Counseling and Mental Health Center). If you listened to Vic's pressers, he always had positive things to say about AC, and spoke very highly of her parents. And if this year showed us anything, it was that Vic really cares about and takes up for his players. I'm sorry AC's experience at Texas didn't comport with her expectations, but unfortunately, life is like that for a lot of things. Nothing really good in this world comes without fighting through obstacles and making sacrifices. The daily grind really sucks - sometimes a lot. But there is always comfort in knowing that the sun always rises the next day. AC needs to be happy she got into a situation that she feels more comfortable with and just move on. It was already clear that she didn't like the coaching staff when she snubbed them in her mid-season farewell post. But continuing to post about her own mental health on social media is a really, really, bad idea. Any lawyer that represents clients in employment law or personal injury cases will tell you - defense attorneys and future employers regularly mine social media as part of their due diligence. It is something they absolutely have to do nowadays. And if they see any self-confessed issues with "mental health", it will absolutely be used against the person who made the post.
 
:hookem:This is a July 2021 IG post from AC:


And the IG post I “liked” and remembered from August 2021:


I agree, Jacob, that she believed that it was a given that she was the heir apparent after Kyra. I wish her the best in all things, but I’m not buying the rhetoric unless or until there is evidence.

We witness the good and the bad of the transfer portal, and walking hand-in-hand with this is the good and the bad of social media, and the thinking that one can say whatever one wants without substantiation or repercussion. There are several unsubstantiated claims in the shared statement.

Anybody else unhappy at their school of choice that first year? I was—only 3 hours from home, no athletics to keep up with along with academics, and no dang pandemic to navigate and my family had to talk me into sticking it out. Over a thousand miles from home, dealing with academics AND athletics AND a pandemic(?)—any chance that colored this student-athlete’s experience?

Guess we’ll see who is the Best in the West PG when Texas and ttu play home and away. :hookem:
 
She snuck in the part about playing time and then proceeded to blame everybody else. But like someone said earlier, if the Texas program was so damn toxic for her, why did she come back this past season. Oh let me see, maybe thought she was going to be the starting PG and when that didn’t happen (deservedly so) all of a sudden it’s a horrible place.

She’s young and could sure use some maturing. Enjoy the sand in your teeth (I’ve lived in Lubbock) with that attitude.
 
Jacob Johnson said:

Message from Chevalier. I completely sympathize with her and I’m sad to know she was down so low while in Austin and I hope she finds the peace and love she couldn’t find in Austin. I don’t know how I feel about her bringing teammates into this. A statement like that implying the staff does not care for its players really could affect a program. Now she may have felt that way and everyone has a different story but I really do hope she spoke with with those she is talking about before posting those statements.
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I may be alone on this one but I don't necessarily feel like she dogged on the program intentionally. If she was really trying to inflict damage, there could've been some name dropping and far more depth in where she felt the deficiencies were in the support. Instead I feel like she struck as fine of a balance as you could when not trying to come off as sour grapes but also speaking YOUR truth and the situations as you lived/perceived them.

I don't even mind that she mentioned her "teamates" because hopefully the staff takes this as an opportunity to do some real evaluations and checking in on each individual athletes state of mind and mental health. I have long thought that was an area of sports in general that was never sufficiently addressed. We're always going to make sure our athletes have the best food, equipment, uniforms and facilities to ensure we get a top notch product on the court but what are doing beyond that? Thats not a problem that is exclusive to Texas. When I get the time to look for it, I am going to find an article I read that talked about UCONN's sports psychology department and how closely those students and faculty work with the basketball teams. It was framed in a comical way that juxtaposed it with Geno's grueling and often demeaning style but it seems like a model that could help every program

Most of you who know me know that I have coached, and been around my fair share of D1 female athletes and it's only been in their big adult ages that we really learned the pressure that they were under, both real and perceived. Being a coaches kid with P5 level talent while battling a mental illness, I have no reason to doubt her story. I think we sometimes forget that its not zero sum.....Texas could have absolutely done everything they could in terms of resources and counseling etc and Ashley still not feel supported.

Also we have to acknowledge a bit of a pattern emerging. Sedona, Rellah and now Ashley all talked about how they didn't feel "supported" while at Texas......eventually smoke turns into fire.
 
Born in ATX said:
I'm sorry, but the "I hate Vic and his staff, and they are to blame for my issues" stuff is getting really old and tired. She's transferring to a school with a coach that really does dislike Vic. So this whole thing smells if you ask me. I went to Texas in the late 80's, and the student services the University provided were second to none - even that long ago. In addition to free tutoring, the school offered free health clinic visits - and yes, free mental health counseling for those that needed it. And now it looks like they run it 24/7 and even offer virtual appointments (check out UT Counseling and Mental Health Center). If you listened to Vic's pressers, he always had positive things to say about AC, and spoke very highly of her parents. And if this year showed us anything, it was that Vic really cares about and takes up for his players. I'm sorry AC's experience at Texas didn't comport with her expectations, but unfortunately, life is like that for a lot of things. Nothing really good in this world comes without fighting through obstacles and making sacrifices. The daily grind really sucks - sometimes a lot. But there is always comfort in knowing that the sun always rises the next day. AC needs to be happy she got into a situation that she feels more comfortable with and just move on. It was already clear that she didn't like the coaching staff when she snubbed them in her mid-season farewell post. But continuing to post about her own mental health on social media is a really, really, bad idea. Any lawyer that represents clients in employment law or personal injury cases will tell you - defense attorneys and future employers regularly mine social media as part of their due diligence. It is something they absolutely have to do nowadays. And if they see any self-confessed issues with "mental health", it will absolutely be used against the person who made the post.
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I personally believe she transferred to tech to get the opportunity to play Vic hoping they can come out on top and it can be one of those “ I’m good enough” moments. Don’t get me wrong, she is good enough and Tech is the perfect school for her to showcase her talents but Harmon is the future and face of this program.
 
utfannforlife said:
I may be alone on this one but I don't necessarily feel like she dogged on the program intentionally. If she was really trying to inflict damage, there could've been some name dropping and far more depth in where she felt the deficiencies were in the support. Instead I feel like she struck as fine of a balance as you could when not trying to come off as sour grapes but also speaking YOUR truth and the situations as you lived/perceived them.

I don't even mind that she mentioned her "teamates" because hopefully the staff takes this as an opportunity to do some real evaluations and checking in on each individual athletes state of mind and mental health. I have long thought that was an area of sports in general that was never sufficiently addressed. We're always going to make sure our athletes have the best food, equipment, uniforms and facilities to ensure we get a top notch product on the court but what are doing beyond that? Thats not a problem that is exclusive to Texas. When I get the time to look for it, I am going to find an article I read that talked about UCONN's sports psychology department and how closely those students and faculty work with the basketball teams. It was framed in a comical way that juxtaposed it with Geno's grueling and often demeaning style but it seems like a model that could help every program

Most of you who know me know that I have coached, and been around my fair share of D1 female athletes and it's only been in their big adult ages that we really learned the pressure that they were under, both real and perceived. Being a coaches kid with P5 level talent while battling a mental illness, I have no reason to doubt her story. I think we sometimes forget that its not zero sum.....Texas could have absolutely done everything they could in terms of resources and counseling etc and Ashley still not feel supported.

Also we have to acknowledge a bit of a pattern emerging. Sedona, Rellah and now Ashley all talked about how they didn't feel "supported" while at Texas......eventually smoke turns into fire.
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Yeah I definitely understand what you’re saying but, those previous transfers were under Aston. Vic Schaefer is known to go all out for his players and care for them. All of MSU alumni love Schaefer and still talk about him till this day. If any former player has anything negative to say it’s someone who didn’t get playing time. Every player who played big minutes under Vic praise him so I don’t believe for one second that Schaefer is just non existent with his players at Texas now. That’s just not who he is and not the staff he surrounds himself with but her truth is her truth. Best she just moves on and finds happiness at Tech.
 
utfannforlife said:
I may be alone on this one but I don't necessarily feel like she dogged on the program intentionally. If she was really trying to inflict damage, there could've been some name dropping and far more depth in where she felt the deficiencies were in the support. Instead I feel like she struck as fine of a balance as you could when not trying to come off as sour grapes but also speaking YOUR truth and the situations as you lived/perceived them.

I don't even mind that she mentioned her "teamates" because hopefully the staff takes this as an opportunity to do some real evaluations and checking in on each individual athletes state of mind and mental health. I have long thought that was an area of sports in general that was never sufficiently addressed. We're always going to make sure our athletes have the best food, equipment, uniforms and facilities to ensure we get a top notch product on the court but what are doing beyond that? Thats not a problem that is exclusive to Texas. When I get the time to look for it, I am going to find an article I read that talked about UCONN's sports psychology department and how closely those students and faculty work with the basketball teams. It was framed in a comical way that juxtaposed it with Geno's grueling and often demeaning style but it seems like a model that could help every program

Most of you who know me know that I have coached, and been around my fair share of D1 female athletes and it's only been in their big adult ages that we really learned the pressure that they were under, both real and perceived. Being a coaches kid with P5 level talent while battling a mental illness, I have no reason to doubt her story. I think we sometimes forget that its not zero sum.....Texas could have absolutely done everything they could in terms of resources and counseling etc and Ashley still not feel supported.

Also we have to acknowledge a bit of a pattern emerging. Sedona, Rellah and now Ashley all talked about how they didn't feel "supported" while at Texas......eventually smoke turns into fire.
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I sorta... Disagree. I don't agree with one of the posters that said that she shouldn't talk about it. Like I said, it's her truth and she could be helping other people by speaking out. But she didn't have to get specific and name any names because it's obvious who she's talking about.

The bottom line is that Vic's track record speaks for itself. The same for Coach D, and Coach Phillips. I mention those two assistances in particular because of their backgrounds and how they're known to care for and value their players.

And you mentioned 3 athletes out of literally thousands of athletes that have gone through Texas since they were there. I think you could find that same ratio with just about every university in the country with athletes who may have complaints.
 
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Jacob Johnson said:
Yeah I definitely understand what you’re saying but, those previous transfers were under Aston. Vic Schaefer is known to go all out for his players and care for them. All of MSU alumni love Schaefer and still talk about him till this day. If any former player has anything negative to say it’s someone who didn’t get playing time. Every player who played big minutes under Vic praise him so I don’t believe for one second that Schaefer is just non existent with his players at Texas now. That’s just not who he is and not the staff he surrounds himself with but her truth is her truth. Best she just moves on and finds happiness at Tech.
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The support staff rarely changes with the coaches. So I would imagine that the same folks who were in charge of academic, Title IX and general support under Aston are still there today.

Also would add that we don’t know what every MSU player thought of him because we didn’t follow their program like we do ours. And that’s besides the point anyways, because there’s no allegation of wrong doing. Not being supported is so broad, it would be impossible for anyone other than those involved to know what she even means.
 
kurupt said:
I sorta... Disagree. I don't agree with one of the posters that said that she shouldn't talk about it. Like I said, it's her truth and she could be helping other people by speaking out. But she didn't have to get specific and name any names because it's obvious who she's talking about.

The bottom line is that Vic's track record speaks for itself. The same for Coach D, and Coach Phillips. I mention those two assistances in particular because of their backgrounds and how they're known to care for and value their players.

And you mentioned 3 athletes out of literally thousands of athletes that have gone through Texas since they were there. I think you could find that same ratio with every University in the country.
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WE have an idea of who she’s talking about because we follow the program intimately. Those who do not wouldn’t have a clue. So my original point stands that if she wanted to disparage the program in a meaningful way, she certainly could’ve pushed the envelop because I doubt those of us who can read between the lines were her target audience.

And again, I’ll reiterate that it’s not zero sum in my opinion. The coaches and staff could’ve done the very best they could with the information they had at the time and Ashley could still have not felt adequately supported. There is absolutely enough room for both things to be true here.
 
utfannforlife said:
WE have an idea of who she’s talking about because we follow the program intimately. Those who do not wouldn’t have a clue. So my original point stands that if she wanted to disparage the program in a meaningful way, she certainly could’ve pushed the envelop because I doubt those of us who can read between the lines were her target audience.

And again, I’ll reiterate that it’s not zero sum in my opinion. The coaches and staff could’ve done the very best they could with the information they had at the time and Ashley could still have not felt adequately supported. There is absolutely enough room for both things to be true here.
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So. A former Wbb player at the University of Texas makes statements about her experience at the school but MOST folks don't know who she's talking about? Come on, man.
 
I tried to not comment but the whole AC truth struck a nerve of sorts and I understand everybody has a opinion about i. College is hard, being a adult is hard, being a D1 athlete is hard, and trying to be the best is hard but it don’t sit right with ME how she framed this. Own your truth cool but go on and move on. I don’t agree with her discounting how she felt UT or the staff treated her. I know time will tell but as of Right Now she the only transfer if something was big wrong everybody would be exiting like all these other schools. Mind you let me note that we could have more transfers tomorrow or next week or june but right now nobody else is seeming to feel this way.
 
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So. A former Wbb player at the University of Texas makes statements about her experience at the school but MOST folks don't know who she's talking about? Come on, man.
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I was speaking to when she broadly referred to “teammates”. Obviously she referenced the University by name but she could’ve done worse if that was the intent.
 
I’m all for mental health but I want these athletes to stop running to that term so much because you are making people num to mental health. Let me clarify so no one is confused. Mental health is like autism in my opinion in such as it’s a spectrum. Yes does she have anxiety and depression I get it and do what you need to, to go on with life in your way. I’m also not a counselor but I would say within herself don’t tie your happiness or value or her mental stability to your playing time or value on the court. But please don’t try to glue all that together to make somebody feel as if you weren’t valued. You thought one thing and even worked hard for it but it fell through due somebody taking the spot rightfully so. I also believe AC is a starting PG just not on this squad and that’s ok. Tech actually needs a PG and she fits tough, quick, plays D and now add she has a chip on her shoulder and boom Perfect fit for another program. We don’t know what future holds but match up for next year at least is going to be spicy and I love it. Bottom line just say the situation wasn’t right FOR ME, I moved on.
 
utfannforlife said:
The support staff rarely changes with the coaches. So I would imagine that the same folks who were in charge of academic, Title IX and general support under Aston are still there today.

Also would add that we don’t know what every MSU player thought of him because we didn’t follow their program like we do ours. And that’s besides the point anyways, because there’s no allegation of wrong doing. Not being supported is so broad, it would be impossible for anyone other than those involved to know what she even means.
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We can definitely agree on that. The only people who truly know would be Her and the staff. I can also say I did follow Vic pretty close when he was at Mississippi state. I’ve always been a fan and his teams have always been exciting to watch. I will also say that if other players really felt like Chevalier then they would’ve entered the portal as soon as the season ended. We have yet to have anyone enter the portal and although it’s still early if I were in a space as bad as Chevalier made it seem I would’ve had my name in the portal the day after the season ended. I guess it will all work itself out and hopefully everyone can move on and we begin to add some players from the portal. Give me Reese, Priscilla Williams or Martinez and I’ll say job well done.
 
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