2021 Recruiting - Football

bystander said:
Agreed. That was my thought all along. The Boosters will buy all the likeness that a player sells of themselves. It just goes back to the highest bidder except now it's legal. What if Red McCombs contacted Ewers and said, I'll spend $5 million on T-shirts with your name on it. I'll give you 50% up front.
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It's already being moneyballed by the MBA spreadsheet guys
 
bystander said:
Occam's razor... what we really know is this: Herman is not developing players. He's losing to schools with lessor talent by all objective measures. Texas' players openly labeled the core values of the University as racist. Then add in the obvious problems with trying to persuade someone to come to Austin or play for Ohio State and Alabama, two schools locked in on the CFB playoffs. Even OU is clearly a choice as they have won the Big 12 SIX YEARS IN A ROW. The last time we won was FOURTEEN YEARS AGO. And now, Jimbo has Aggy looking strong.

We know all of this. Rumors are not what we need to focus on. The open truth provides us with much understanding.
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So then, if the players feels like Texas is a racist school is it because of the singing of the eyes of Texas at the end of each game. Is that the bottom reason that the players feels like Texas is a racist School? Then it just seems like if that is the case then the eyes of Texas song has to go.
We would need a new song. But the traditionalists at Texas would never have that, they would rather us have an all-white mediocre team that finishes 1-11 each year than to get rid of the eyes of Texas song.
I'll be straight up and tell you if we had a dismal record season after season I probably wouldn't watch Texas anymore I wouldn't be an enthusiastic fan. I probably will still watch college football but not any specific team just follow the other good players on the other good teams. oh I might watch Texas if it has a certain player that I like. But it would be hard to watch Texas if they lose most every Saturday. Yes I know there are fans that will watch Texas good or bad through thick or thin but I'm not one of those. I need to see a good product on the field cuz I enjoy watching a winner.
I guess I am prejudiced that way because I don't spend money going to games. I've only been to four or five games my entire adult life and I'm 60. So for that reason that's probably why I don't remain an ardent fan if the team goes bad. And that's why if we lose the song it won't bother me too much especially if we start getting excellent recruits.
This is why I was pulling for Urban Meyer to be the head coach because I think he can keep Texas from from being very bad. The elite/very good recruits are going elsewhere and that saddens me.
These are my honest thoughts.
 
Pomspoms said:
Is that the bottom reason that the players feels like Texas is a racist School?
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There were other things, such as statues of Confederates and the desire to replace them with one's related to the history of black students (that's what they really are, right?). It was a series of things.

The Eyes struck at the core of the fans bond with the school AND the players. I'd wager that +90% of the fans had no idea of it's origins. I know I didn't. It was just the tradition of the school and it was about love; not hate.

As for watching games, I have seen many since the early 1990's. Though I didn't go to UT (I went to Trinity), I've loved the school since I first saw Bevo and Big Bertha on TV when I was a child. I am VERY HAPPY that it's all-white past is behind us. That can be said about our entire nation. And maybe all of this happening so close to home is providing the empathy (woke?) of the reality that being black in America is difficult as opposed to being white from a relative point of view. And that the psychology of the human mind is a very deep subject and one that we can all admit is something that we each grapple with on some level due to our experiences in life. I know I do. I pop off in anger at the dumbest things and it's something I know about myself. Why is that so? I don't know. I've had a good life but there were many challenges such as a horrible marriage that resulted in me gaining full custody of my daughter this month. It gnawed at me and made me tired and possibly is the reason for a lazy mind in terms of emotional control. But nothing pressed on me in terms of my worth as a human being (except the rejection of women that in hind-sight were absolute jokes; my bad in my choice of partners). So to be black and confront the horrible, despicable treatment they received from the hand of whites, and then to see white's AT BEST pretend to be woke when in fact it seems they're doing it only as a fad must be galling to say the least. Black people have been treated as inferiors for centuries and we have to believe that the human mind cannot withstand such a constant reminder. OF COURSE it has an affect. And when we are shocked or surprised by their reaction then maybe we should instead be shocked by our own. I know that I have a deeply emotional response when I see documentaries of the holocaust. I should have the same response when I see pictures of lynchings and modern day racists who are so sick in the head that it should be sickening to me.

So in the end, we shouldn't be surprised. But it's our Bevo that is being gored so we are resistant. We want to feel that we are good people. And so many of us are in fact good people.

But we have not lived their story. They have. And we know our own story well; it is the reason why we are the way we are.

Well, their story is why they are the way they are and their story is not fiction.

I hope I didn't over-step my bounds on this one as it's not a political forum but in the end, the viewpoint of a potential recruit is what we are wondering about because the recruits are not coming here as we expected.
 
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Very nice By.
I’m so simple the Eyes song in my humble mind are just so emblematic, I mean what is more real than telling a University of Texas student, athlete, heck anyone representing the school that the eyes of Texas are on them, because they are. Apologies to the poster that suggested alternate lyrics but I do not see how anything else could say it as well. But I’m not very artistic in the least.
 
bystander said:
There were other things, such as statues of Confederates and the desire to replace them with one's related to the history of black students (that's what they really are, right?). It was a series of things.

The Eyes struck at the core of the fans bond with the school AND the players. I'd wager that +90% of the fans had no idea of it's origins. I know I didn't. It was just the tradition of the school and it was about love; not hate.

As for watching games, I have seen many since the early 1990's. Though I didn't go to UT (I went to Trinity), I've loved the school since I first saw Bevo and Big Bertha on TV when I was a child. I am VERY HAPPY that it's all-white past is behind us. But that can be said about our entire nation. And maybe all of this happening so close to home is providing the empathy (woke?) of the reality that being black in America is difficult as opposed to being white from a relative point of view. And that the psychology of the human mind is a very deep subject and one that we all can admit is something that we each grapple with on some level due to our experiences in life. I know I do. I pop off in anger at the dumbest things and it's something I know about myself. Why is that so? I don't know. I've had a good life but there were many challenges such as a horrible marriage that resulted in me gaining full custody of my daughter this month. It gnawed at me and made me tired and possibly is the reason for a lazy mind in terms of emotional control. But nothing pressed on me in terms of my worth as a human being (except the rejection of women that in hind-sight were absolute jokes; my bad in my choice of partners). So to be black and confront the horrible, despicable treatment they received from the hand of whites, and then to see white's AT BEST pretend to be woke when in fact it seems they're doing it only as a fad must be galling to say the least. Black people have been treated as inferiors for centuries and we have to believe that the human mind cannot withstand such a constant reminder. OF COURSE it has an affect. And what we are shocked by their reaction then maybe we should instead be shocked by our own. I know that I have a deeply emotional response when I see documentaries of the holocaust. I should have the same response when I see pictures of lynchings and modern day racists who are so sick in the head that it should be sickening to me.

So in the end, we shouldn't be surprised. But it's our Bevo that is being gored so we are resistant. We want to feel that we are good people. And so many of us are in fact good people.

But we have not lived their story. They have. And we know our own story well; it is the reason why we are the way we are.

Well, their story is why they are the way they are and their story is not fiction.

I hope I didn't over-step my bounds on this one as it's not a political forum but in the end, the viewpoint of a potential recruit is what we are wondering about because the recruits are not coming here as we expected.
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Ok I understand your point. Blacks have had a hard time surviving. I am a white guy and I have had a hard time surviving White America. I can't imagine what a black person must be going through. I know if I lived in a big city in Kenya or Nigeria I am certain I would have a hard time surviving and feeling lots of prejudice. I probably would give up and move to a country where there was more white people. But here in America I have seen plenty of black public officials in many many towns all across United States and I've even seen a black president for 8 years. The mayor of my own hometown is black. I don't believe whites would have very much of a chance of being a public official in countries like Kenya or Nigeria but they do here in America. So it's sort of natural that if you're in a country dominated by A different race you're going to have a harder time breaking through barriers to get to the top. But the blacks are doing it.

And it's ironic that a university like Alabama who has a solid strong history of racism in their past can reel in the the best black recruits in spite of its history. So why isn't it considered a racist university? But for some reason it's different at Texas and I thought that we were a progressive University. it's just really weird.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
I wonder what the Texas players told the portal dude.
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I think they may have criticized his coaching. Criticized his practices, game management, play calling, lack of adjustments, etc.

The proof of his poor coaching is in the mediocre, underachieving record, repeatedly pulling defeat from the jaws of victory, etc.

It doesn't take a genius, or a college grad, to see that TH has failed.
 
Pomspoms said:
Blacks have had a hard time surviving.
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Wasn't preaching. I was mainly reminding myself about the context of the situation last summer.

Pomspoms said:
I don't believe whites would have very much of a chance of being a public official in countries like Kenya or Nigeria but they do here in America.
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Certainly, a majority rule situation will always result in dominance by the power. That's the irony of Democracy; it sounds so nice, so fair, so of the people. But it's not. It's oppression by the majority. And if all whites thought the same way, it would be even worse for non-whites. But luckily we have diversity of thought due to "sub-sets" beyond race along with conscience and emotion.


Pomspoms said:
And it's ironic that a university like Alabama who has a solid strong history of racism in their past can reel in the the best black recruits in spite of its history. So why isn't it considered a racist university? But for some reason it's different at
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This one is interesting to me. For all we know (and I do not know), Alabama has exorcised it's past and is not waving it in everyone's faces. To me, it's not that we have a racist past; it's that we allegedly have not stamped it out completely and the alleged stubborn clinging to racist icons is proof that we are not here yet. Maybe Alabama is...
 
Sounds like I may have to find space in my garage for 600 team posters signed by an incoming Freshman 4-star lineman from Wichita Falls or somewhere.

I need a food taster before the party to ensure nothing is poisoned. Hazard pay makes it legitimately worth $10,000 or more per event or so.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
It's even easier than that - just hire them for endorsements, then you're not stuck with trucks full of t-shirts or such.
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Like this warehouse full of rings I been sitting on since 1940?


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Joe Fan said:
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He ran the ball a ridiculous number of times for a ridiculous number of yards, was one of their best defenders and a very hard tackler, and handled punting duties.

No truer football player graced the gridirons of Texas in this Year of our Lord 2020.

He's exactly the sort of guy we need on the 40.

P.S.--we'd also be interested in some of his relatives, like that Big #1 for Shiner in 2022.
 
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Pomspoms said:
So then, if the players feels like Texas is a racist school is it because of the singing of the eyes of Texas at the end of each game. Is that the bottom reason that the players feels like Texas is a racist School? Then it just seems like if that is the case then the eyes of Texas song has to go.
We would need a new song. But the traditionalists at Texas would never have that, they would rather us have an all-white mediocre team that finishes 1-11 each year than to get rid of the eyes of Texas song.
I'll be straight up and tell you if we had a dismal record season after season I probably wouldn't watch Texas anymore I wouldn't be an enthusiastic fan. I probably will still watch college football but not any specific team just follow the other good players on the other good teams. oh I might watch Texas if it has a certain player that I like. But it would be hard to watch Texas if they lose most every Saturday. Yes I know there are fans that will watch Texas good or bad through thick or thin but I'm not one of those. I need to see a good product on the field cuz I enjoy watching a winner.
I guess I am prejudiced that way because I don't spend money going to games. I've only been to four or five games my entire adult life and I'm 60. So for that reason that's probably why I don't remain an ardent fan if the team goes bad. And that's why if we lose the song it won't bother me too much especially if we start getting excellent recruits.
This is why I was pulling for Urban Meyer to be the head coach because I think he can keep Texas from from being very bad. The elite/very good recruits are going elsewhere and that saddens me.
These are my honest thoughts.
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I personally dont think any of this BS is valid. If the kids think UT is racist, why did they accept the scholarship? Every single kid UT recruits has other offers. I have heard from many BMD who have said they would never hire any of these brats from this years team. I have a cousin on the team and saw him going along with this BS. I was told there is just tremendous peer pressure to follow the herd. Sam didnt and his character shined. You saw Drew Brees take a stand and then run like a coward. Trust me that character was on full display all over sports this year and Sam shined like a new dime. The rest of these turds are spineless crybaby wanna be's. Like I stated, if UT is bad why did you accept the free ride? Oh yea and the band can kiss my @#$% !!
 
Hamilton on LJ post-bowl-game --

Can Texas reel in L.J. Johnson?
Members of the Texas staff were in conversation with Johnson following the game late last night. Texas continues to battle (aggy) for the talented running back, with Johnson very likely to enroll at the school of his choice by mid-January. Stay Drayton is easily the best relationship for L.J. in the process. For (aggy), the momentum of the season and the offensive scheme are a better fit according to a person close to Johnson at Cy Fair.​

The parens are mine not his
 
Joe Fan said:
Hamilton on LJ post-bowl-game --

Can Texas reel in L.J. Johnson?
Members of the Texas staff were in conversation with Johnson following the game late last night. Texas continues to battle (aggy) for the talented running back, with Johnson very likely to enroll at the school of his choice by mid-January. Stay Drayton is easily the best relationship for L.J. in the process. For (aggy), the momentum of the season and the offensive scheme are a better fit according to a person close to Johnson at Cy Fair.​

The parens are mine not his
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This one has been trending aggie for some time now. Our coaching situation is not helping. Outside of a coaching change , don't really see us getting him.
 
I keep reading that Texas coaches can't develop talent and I have to disagree. In 2017 Alabama signed 4 5 and 4 star OL. You add up their rankings nationally and the total of all four don't reach down to the rankings of Cosmi, yet at most only one of them is likely to be drafted ahead of him.
 
Crockett said:
I keep reading that Texas coaches can't develop talent and I have to disagree. In 2017 Alabama signed 4 5 and 4 star OL. You add up their rankings nationally and the total of all four don't reach down to the rankings of Cosmi, yet at most only one of them is likely to be drafted ahead of him.
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So you're going to choose Cosmi as the one example and dismiss all the others who completely failed to develop? I mean practically every other O-line player under Herman? I suggest with such a poor record this is more about Cosmi working toward development than great coaching.
 
With all this BS about recruiting 3* players and player development, nobody seems to think beyond the sports page highlights. Year end and year out Wisconsin has 2 OL at some level of All-America. Over half of them are 3* recruits. Ever hear the name Joe Rudolph? Not even. Until this group can collectively demonstrate some understanding of high level college football, it is just a bunch of moon shouting
 
Sark has been a good recruiter in the part
Back in 2015, before the wheels fell off at USC, he was within .5 points of edging out Alabama as the #1 class
 
Some are saying Carrington and Drayton will be retained
And Coach Boom has interest in coming back
We will see


 
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Heres one that will fall under the " Things that make you go hmm".

WR. Quay Davis of Skyline has committed to Kansas.
 
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