Handler, you raise good points, but Herman's superior recruiting days are over due to his persona and lack of results on the field. Texas needs to bite the bullet now and move on. Otherwise, it is just going to get worse and worse and ... .
2021 Recruiting - Football
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First I've heard of the drinking. As a former big-time drinker and now moderate drinker he doesn't fit the profile.
I really hate to jump sides to the sunshine pumper side of the debate, but you guys thinking we are doomed for 10 years are overdoing it. First of all, we have a LOT of talent on campus, plenty enough to win 10+ games, and this incoming class is not voiding that.
Herman is probably not the guy, but he still could be. (For the record, I want him gone.) Really, just a little improvement in game-day coaching decisions and we already are playing at a quality level of 10+ wins a year. If that starts being actualized, Herman might could relax out of his hyper-defensive and horrible personality, and lots of these relationship issues could calm down.
Or, the next guy can.
We really are not doomed.
Herman is probably not the guy, but he still could be. (For the record, I want him gone.) Really, just a little improvement in game-day coaching decisions and we already are playing at a quality level of 10+ wins a year. If that starts being actualized, Herman might could relax out of his hyper-defensive and horrible personality, and lots of these relationship issues could calm down.
Or, the next guy can.
We really are not doomed.
Trust me I want him gone, I wanted him gone after the OU game this year. I don't understand not going after some of the coaches that appear to be going down a great track and now you've lost 1-2 of those because they signed new contracts. Recruiting is the worst I have ever seen it, can't believe we are going to be stuck with another horrible class next year as well. That will bury us for 5-6 years if all goes well.
We are not going to get the top recruits out of Texas with Herman in control. This will effect us for years to come. If Herman is left in charge we may as well get used to be the old aggie. Seems like they may have turned the corner with a gutsy hire. CDC doesnt seem to be the man to make that kind of a decision.
Ha! So I say we aren’t doomed for 10 years and someone disagrees!!
It’s already decided that for 10 years, it’s pure doom and there’s nothing we can do about it.
i guess Hudson Card and Bijan Robinson and Jordan Whittington and Jake Smith and DShawn Jamison are going to suck starting right away. Oh, and Sanders is going to suck.
Putting a top 15 class on campus is so horrible that we will never recover.
Come on, people!
It’s already decided that for 10 years, it’s pure doom and there’s nothing we can do about it.
i guess Hudson Card and Bijan Robinson and Jordan Whittington and Jake Smith and DShawn Jamison are going to suck starting right away. Oh, and Sanders is going to suck.
Putting a top 15 class on campus is so horrible that we will never recover.
Come on, people!
If we get some good portal transfers, we could actually get a top 10-12 class. Imagine if we had a top 10 coach? As many have pointed out, if we are not in the CCG every year with our resources and recruiting advantage, something wrong has happened: injuries, youth, etc that happen to every program beyond coach control.
Hey Mr. Big time badass grizzly bear offensive lineman, my name is Bijan Robinson and I want you to come block for me. What ‘ya say?
Wonder how much, if any, the coaches use BR as a recruiting tool. As a former offensive lineman my favorite thing was to look up and see “my” running back’s heels zipping down the field after I bumped my assignment to the side.
Wonder how much, if any, the coaches use BR as a recruiting tool. As a former offensive lineman my favorite thing was to look up and see “my” running back’s heels zipping down the field after I bumped my assignment to the side.
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Aggy made a gutsy hire? One good year and even horns are on their bandwagon. I’ve seen them play, not that good
Omniscient.one
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I’m not finding anything on Google about the drinking. Who’s your source? Sounds like BS gossip started by a rival school
First and foremost our idea of doom and gloom is finishing each season with 4-7 losses. We are not talking about 1-11. So we may finish 9-4 each season but that's terrible IMO. I'm not settling for 9-4. And I am being generous talking about 9-4. Heck it could be 8-5 or 7-6. If we finish the regular season at 10-2 at least we might be sniffing a playoff but I actually want to go to the playoffs. I am not settling for mediocrity with 4-7 losses each year.
Another reason for me to be a doom and gloomer is the fact that we keep losing our best recruits out of Texas to other programs out of state. The opposition knows exactly what to say to recruits to negatively recruit. Our only recourse is to remove the base reason for negative recruiting and that's Tom Herman (unless you guys have a different base reason).
Losing good recruits isn't going to give us a better win/loss record. Like someone else said, you have to cut out that cancer.
So yes we could keep getting just enough good players to win seven or eight games each year but that's not what I want. To me that's Doom and gloom.
We need top five classes not top 15. I don't see Herman doing any better than 10 in the future. That's trending downwards.
Mediocrity is doom and gloom.
I just read a report on rivals that Alabama signed a kid named Jaeden Roberts, o-line, out of Texas at three stars but yet I've never heard of him and this is a three star no less. how is Alabama able to find him and we not even talk about him and he would fit in perfectly with us cuz he's a three star I hope he doesn't turn out to be a difference Maker. He's built like a wwe wrestler, 6'6 330. I thought we were signing three star recruits. I guess I missed something.
The kid committed early to Auburn, and decommitted when Gus was fired. He transferred from nowhere Kansas to Northshore to play last year.
Any coach on our staff that doesn't know who Roberts is or has not been to Northshore should be FIRED before sunset today. The Brockermeyers knew him, so did Milroe, and the entire Alabama coaching staff.
Any coach on our staff that doesn't know who Roberts is or has not been to Northshore should be FIRED before sunset today. The Brockermeyers knew him, so did Milroe, and the entire Alabama coaching staff.
Every post where I even temper the negativity, I repeat that I want Herman gone. My reasons are mainly the opposition to the UT fans and culture.
Still, as far as in the field and recruiting, I’m just saying it’s not doom and gloom, and certainly it’s not doom and gloom for the next ten years. That’s just an overreaction.
If not for the OU/eyes thing, plus summer comments, the play this year wouldn’t on its own have Herman practically out the door. As it is, with practically every alum against him, every BMD against him, his job hanging by a thread, the administration not really vouching for him—that’s as much of a head wind as a coach can have—he brings in a top 12 or 15 class ... his problem is not recruiting. And, with the top classes we have on campus, and an across the board redshirt for 2020, we will have talent on the team. And, in the 25% chance we go to or win the CCG next year or go to the playoffs, our recruiting will be right where it needs to be. And, in the 75% chance that our game day coaching is unimproved and we are mediocre again, and Herman is gone, the next coach will inherit a decent team.
u right,but I dont believe we could beat them.
That is my exact point. With Herman we may as well get use to 7-4 . Some folks seem ok with that.Typical aggie attitude. I am not on the aggie bandwagon but their people decided to take a chance on a coach and they are certainly doing better than us. How many 4 and 5 star Texas kids are in the SEC? How many at Texas? But dont worry we know how Herman can coach up those 3 stars.
When it’s all said and done, we’ll likely be top 20, or maybe top 15, for this recruiting year. That’s not terrible, or even bad. It would be a banner recruiting year at Tech, OSU, or TCU. But at UT, with all of our resources, plus sitting in the middle and bearing the name of the top recruiting state, we have a higher bar.
Texas should never be an after thought for any recruit in the state. TH is the problem now and I dont really think the BMD will come back around regardless of his performance. You dont crap on the money and fans and expect that relationship to improve. Same goes for the candy arse band. Hit the road with his 5-6m/yr and good luck at podunk u.
I haven’t really noticed you on this forum before, so I can’t just take your word for it. Cite me the Hornfans posters who have said 7-4 is acceptable, or else shut up with your immaturity. Also, big talker, tell me who on this forum has typical aggie attitude?
The first I ever noticed you is when you disagreed with my post, basically you taking the position that we are, as of now, doomed for 10 years. Get hysterical much? You want Herman gone. I’ve said repeatedly I want Herman gone. You think the program is destroyed until 2030; I don’t.
you can’t live respectfully with that disagreement?
I cant help it you havent noticed me,thats your problem. Who really cares who you notice. I do not need to show you examples,look at the posts yourself. We cant miss out on recruits,especially offensive line recruits and be a national contender. this program has been suffering since 2009. TThat is 11 years. Do you honestly think we will improve overnight? I was in the stands for McWilliams (great man,poor coach) era and the Macovic era. This smacks of the same with Strong and Herman. We settled with mediocracy then and CDC seems to be happy with that now. I would hope that no Texas fans would settle for that again. I can live with your dissagreement you should learn to live when someone disagrees with you. Hook em
I think it's silly to assume CDC is okay with mediocrity. Sometimes there just aren't better options and I'm sure there's a lot of things we don't know. Let's just wait and see how this plays out. A number of coaches have stated they're not talking to other teams until the bowl season is over.
Joe Fan
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That rumor has been out there for awhile
The weight gain and sometimes erratic behavior tends to offer some support
But there is no KevinSumlinesque video yet that Ive seen
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Joe Fan
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He was discussed in this very thread as far back as Summer 2019 when we offered him
Here, from June 19, 2019 and at least 3 subsequent posts (by yours truly)
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Joe Fan
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Agree that we do have some good returning players but no one really knows yet how we are going to look at the most important position on the field
Plus, IMO at least, we are still a mess on the OL
Just the chance to see Karic and Johnson is enough reason alone to watch the bowl game. Let's hope they are who we think they are
I also hope we see more than 1 QB
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Yep. And it has already killed us as far out as the 2022s. It was just a few months ago that we were the #3 overall 2022 class. If you used avg player ranking, we were #1. But not anymore. Now the wheels have come completely off our recruiting wagon.
It's one reason I pined for so hard for Meyer, he was the one (somewhat realistic) potential hire who could have salvaged this recruiting mess we find ourselves in. I think he could have flipped Ewers (aka "Mr. Perfect") and certain WRs back to us (we already know Ewers wanted to be be a Longhorn).
But I agree with the poster above who said it does not mean we must suck for the next 10 years. Make the right hire, and this stuff can fix itself pretty quick.
However, the opposite is also true, screw it up again (for example letting the school president pick Charlie Strong II) and it may well be another 10 years of our football team wandering the desert.
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This is from TFB
You may recall that former 4-star DB and FSU DB, Jaiden Woodbey recently entered the portal and after including Texas in his list of possible transfer destination, ultimately picked Boston College.
I recently spoke with someone close to Woodbey and was told the reason why Woodbey chose BC over Texas. Source told me that Jaiden himself said that he had Texas players telling him not to come there. Not as in they were trying to dissuade him from coming because they were afraid of competition but just more of the negative recruiting we’ve seen come from inside the program in the past.
If Herman is retained, this matter will need to be addressed somehow. It has cost Texas multiple players.
It happens to some degree at other schools but it’s excessive and too pervasive at Texas. It needs to be rooted out.
I recently spoke with someone close to Woodbey and was told the reason why Woodbey chose BC over Texas. Source told me that Jaiden himself said that he had Texas players telling him not to come there. Not as in they were trying to dissuade him from coming because they were afraid of competition but just more of the negative recruiting we’ve seen come from inside the program in the past.
If Herman is retained, this matter will need to be addressed somehow. It has cost Texas multiple players.
It happens to some degree at other schools but it’s excessive and too pervasive at Texas. It needs to be rooted out.
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