2021-2022 Season

[DFW_Horn]

Speaking of differences between the men's and women's hoops teams at Texas, I see like a huge number of staff members sitting on Beard's bench during the games all wearing the same identical Longhorns gear; there has to be like 15-20 of them.

On Vic's bench, I see Blair sitting closest to him (which I find odd as she is not technically an assistant coach), while Calamity and April are further down on the bench sprinkled among the players; can't recall where Dionnnah sits. Also, I see S&C Zack Zillner like in the second row. And, while there's probably a few other staff members there near the bench, it doesn't seem to be close to the quantity of that men's program; perhaps that's the norm around the country.

I'll have to admit i don't know the seating "order" of the assistant coaches at other wbb programs; I would have thought you'd want your assistant coaches closer to the head coach so you could have in-game discussions about needed adjustments and substitutions. Perhaps there is some strategy behind this.

During Karen's time at Texas, it seemed like we could always tell which players (on the bench) would be first to sub in based on how close to the scorer's table they were sitting; if you were at the far end of the bench, you were last in line to come into the game. I have not figured out if there's a pattern on Vic's bench (seating order); I have a hard time identifying all the players on the bench game in and game out.

Vic and Blair are usually in the first 2 seats then (an open chair sometimes) Dionnah. I assume Blair is tracking fouls, timeouts, minutes, etc. and is right there to keep him informed.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Someone please explain to me what is meant by "in person media" that the men are getting and our women are not.

I take it to mean press conferences via Zoom instead of live. If I am right then it seems a little petty gripe to me rather than a truly momentous issue.

 

[hoopsalot]

I take it to mean press conferences via Zoom instead of live. If I am right then it seems a little petty gripe to me rather than a truly momentous issue.

Disagree. Small or large, why is there one rule for the men's coach and another for the women's coach? Besides, Vic has made it clear how much he values in person communication. He's a social guy and Zoom just doesn't cut it for him.

 

[brnkj]

Disagree. Small or large, why is there one rule for the men's coach and another for the women's coach? Besides, Vic has made it clear how much he values in person communication. He's a social guy and Zoom just doesn't cut it for him.

There should absolutely be across-the-board equity.

 

[brnkj]

I love that Blair's there next to Vic. On a few occasions Vic will really get into it with an official and only Blair has the position and wherewithal to pull her father back and I've seen her get in between her father and the official to push Vic back.

From my observation, there's an assigned group seating arrangement, point guards/guards/forwards/posts. And lastly, players who aren't playing or are injured are at the end of the bench.

Vic wants the point guards nearest to him. Then the guards. Further down are the post players. He has the assistant coach responsible for the specific position groups seated with the position players.

I love this set up as it permits the position coaches to coach the group as the game progresses.

My observation also regarding the seating arrangements.

 

[kurupt]

I take it to mean press conferences via Zoom instead of live. If I am right then it seems a little petty gripe to me rather than a truly momentous issue.

Nothing says, "We don't view you as being just as important or a priority as the men" like having in person media for the men and zoom for the women.

 

[Moooooo]

Nothing says, "We don't view you as being just as important or a priority as the men" like having in person media for the men and zoom for the women.

Which is why the idea some have of relegating the women's home games to Gregory Gym instead of the newly-built Moody Center is just unreal, IMO.

There are some women's programs who don't play in the same arena as their men's teams; both North Carolina and North Carolina State play in the older (yet refurbished) arenas.

 

[kurupt]

Which is why the idea some have of relegating the women's home games to Gregory Gym instead of the newly-built Moody Center is just unreal, IMO.

There are some women's programs who don't play in the same arena as their men's teams; both North Carolina and North Carolina State play in the older (yet refurbished) arenas.

Yeah. I think UNC plays in Carmicheal where the men used to play back in the day. If they were still going to keep the Erwin center, IMO playing in Gregory would have been something to discuss. But I don't think it makes a lot of sense when they're going to be playing in a much smaller arena now.

 

[Bucksgal]

There should absolutely be across-the-board equity.

Absolutely agree. Certainly UT has learned something from the NCAA's weight room gaffe!

 

[Moooooo]

Yeah. I think UNC plays in Carmicheal where the men used to play back in the day. If they were still going to keep the Erwin center, IMO playing in Gregory would have been something to discuss. But I don't think it makes a lot of sense when they're going to be playing in a much smaller arena now.

The thing is, the amenities that come with a new (modern) arena are really for fans who attend the games; the players get to see what's going on around them, but their time in the arena is limited to being on the actual court, not up in the seats enjoying all the bells and whistles of an up-to-date arena. I'm sure the players enjoy the perks of the new locker rooms, too.

To me, the seating capacity shouldn't determine where the women's games are played (the larger versus smaller arena). Not sure fans would prefer to sit on wood bleachers in Gregory than cushioned seats with chairbacks and cupholders.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Aggy nation showed up when they played us (as usual) but they only average a few more hundred people than we do at regular games - a little over 3,000. Putting us aside, they might get to 5k against “rivals” .

If Vic leaves for A&M, it isn’t about crowd size in my opinion.

Around the nation, some programs get larger crowds but many get same or smaller than we do. It’s a shame, because the women’s game is so fun to watch.

 

[kurupt]

It looks like they're going to have a few high profile football players at the home game to try to attract and draw some fans to the games. That's another issue I have with UT. They're always reactive and never proactive.

 

[longhorn47]

It's a crime that more of the 40,000+ undergrad students can't be bothered to support this terrific team!!

 

[brnkj]

Nothing says, "We don't view you as being just as important or a priority as the men" like having in person media for the men and zoom for the women.

I would think disparity in things like facilities or travel accommodations would speak volumes louder.

 

[WCBBNUT]

It’s also important to note that Vic has a 7 year contract worth $13 million. He makes more than twice what A&M pays Gary Blair. Even if they were willing to match his salary, they would also have to buy out his contract. I just don’t see that happening… but never say never I guess.

To give context:

Schaefer - $1.8 million (goes to $2.1 next few years)
Blair - $800k
Auriemma - $500k
Staley - $2.9 million
Mulkey - $2.5 million

 

[brnkj]

Which is why the idea some have of relegating the women's home games to Gregory Gym instead of the newly-built Moody Center is just unreal, IMO.

There are some women's programs who don't play in the same arena as their men's teams; both North Carolina and North Carolina State play in the older (yet refurbished) arenas.

Same for Kentucky... The women play most of their games in Memorial Arena while the men play at Rupp full-time.

 

[WCBBNUT]

And while I know this thread isn’t about A&M, I can’t help myself but to post:

Aggy will probably end the season 14-15 and not make the tournament. Gary Blair going out with a whimper.

 

[Bobcat]

And while I know this thread isn’t about A&M, I can’t help myself but to post:

Aggy will probably end the season 14-15 and not make the tournament. Gary Blair going out with a whimper.

For sure and I hate that for Coach Blair. He’s a class act all the way...

 

[brnkj]

I just wonder... all this talk about Vic being frustrated with lack of support from administration... If KA may have felt the same way. I was really hard on KA, but believe me it wasn't because I didn't like her. It was because I expected a lot from her. She was dealing with a lot those last two or three seasons... A new marriage, a new baby, and the loss of her mother just to name a few along with the demands of being the CEO of a P5 program. That's not even mentioning the pressure of trying to maintain the upward trajectory of the program she had established in her first several years. Any substandard or complete lack of support from administration certainly wouldn't have helped her. Just wondering...

 

[Moooooo]

It’s also important to note that Vic has a 7 year contract worth $13 million. He makes more than twice what A&M pays Gary Blair. Even if they were willing to match his salary, they would also have to buy out his contract. I just don’t see that happening.., but never say never I guess.

To give context:

Schaefer - $1.8 million (goes to $2.1 next few years)
Blair - $800k
Auriemma - $500k
Staley - $2.9 million

No, A&M would not have to buy out his contract; they would have to pay any buyout amount (penalty) which is stipulated in his contract for leaving early for another school. The current school buys out the remaining (guaranteed) contract when they terminate a coach without cause (like when we fired Tom Herman).

Not sure where you saw that Geno makes $500k; pretty sure he makes over $2 million.

 

[DFW_Horn]

No, A&M would not have to buy out his contract; they would have to pay any buyout amount (penalty) which is stipulated in his contract for leaving early for another school. The current school buys out the remaining (guaranteed) contract when they terminate a coach without cause (like when we fired Tom Herman).

Not sure where you saw that Geno makes $500k; pretty sure he makes over $2 million.

It’s all about the fine print…

From May 2021: Auriemma's extension will go through the 2025 season. He will earn a base salary of $600,000 per year, with speaking, consulting and media obligations adding an additional $2.2 million.

 

[WCBBNUT]

No, A&M would not have to buy out his contract; they would have to pay any buyout amount (penalty) which is stipulated in his contract for leaving early for another school. The current school buys out the remaining (guaranteed) contract when they terminate a coach without cause (like when we fired Tom Herman).

Not sure where you saw that Geno makes $500k; pretty sure he makes over $2 million.

That’s what “buy out” means. His contract would have a buy out penalty to prevent (make harder) for another team to steal him. And yes, buy out or pay out contract would be us paying him out if we are pushing him out. His contract (all contracts) binds both him and the university.

 

[WCBBNUT]

It’s all about the fine print…

From May 2021: Auriemma's extension will go through the 2025 season. He will earn a base salary of $600,000 per year, with speaking, consulting and media obligations adding an additional $2.2 million.

Everyone I mentioned will/would also have additional earnings for sponsorships etc.

 

[Moooooo]

That’s what but out means. His contract would have a buy out penalty to prevent (make harder) for another team to steal him. And yes, buy out or pay out contract would be us paying him out if we are pushing him out.

Just wanted to be clear, because buying out someone's contract is not the same as paying the buyout penalty. A&M would easily pay any buyout penalty just to let the world know they stole a coach from Texas; not sure why you stated they wouldn't (unless you meant matching his salary, but I think they would).

 

[WCBBNUT]

Just wanted to be clear, because buying out someone's contract is not the same as paying the buyout penalty. A&M would easily pay any buyout penalty just to let the world know they stole a coach from Texas; not sure why you stated they wouldn't (unless you meant matching his salary, but I think they would).

It depends on the amount of the penalty which would be on top of what they would offer in salary which would be WAY more then they are paying Blair. I don’t see A&M making that leap for WBB.

 

[DFW_Horn]

Everyone I mentioned will/would also have additional earnings for sponsorships etc.

I only pointed that out because the salary you posted for Dawn, Mulkey and Vic included the sponsorships, media money - Geno’s was just base salary.

 

[Moooooo]

It depends on the amount of the penalty which would be on top of what they would offer in salary which would be WAY more then they are paying Blair. I don’t see A&M making that leap for WBB.

I can understand that. But, women's basketball head coaching salaries have gone through the roof the last couple of years. We were paying Aston less than half of what we ended up offering Vic, IIRC. Arizona keeps giving Adia Barnes a raise and contract extension to deter the vultures; same for Oregon with Kelly Graves. Not sure what OU paid Jenny B., but I believe it was substantially less than what they were paying Sherri Coale.

A&M knows they will have to pay a lot to lure an established head coach. If they do decide to promote Kelly Bond, it will be interesting to see if they low-ball her (since she has no head coaching experience).

Do I think A&M would pay the Ole Miss coach $2 million a season? No. Do I think A&M would pay Vic $2 million a season because he's the coach at Texas (and an A&M alum)? Yes.

 

[UTexRulz23]

Would like to see the UT Women play a game or two in Gregory like the men's team.

Unpopular opinion: if we can't fill Erwin (or Moody), maybe that's what we should do. But that probably alienates our actual fans now in the hope of grabbing theoretical ones.

Also, I think Vic ought to take a page out of Chris Beard's book. He has actively sought out specific members of the student body, made social media focuses about those students, and brought them out (seems like royal treatment). I get being frustrated by an empty FEC, but Vic has to be a part of that solution too.

 

[xdxmmxchxxl]

Looking at our remaining games and the way we have been playing, I really expect and hope we win out. We have won five straight with games left against TCU, KU, and OKST; an 8 game B12 win streak is pretty phenomenal.

With a NET rankings currently of 7, we are projected at a 3…maybe we could get to a 2..

also, no way in hell Vic leaves. A&M would probably match his 1.8M pay, but CDC would double it-they can’t do that. And Vic is from Austin, and is building a powerhouse; he will retire here.

 

[Moooooo]

also, no way in hell Vic leaves. A&M would probably match his 1.8M pay, but CDC would double it-they can’t do that. And Vic is from Austin, and is building a powerhouse; he will retire here.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but no way in hell is Texas paying its WBB coach $3.6 million annually. Dawn Staley makes $2.9 million; Mulkey and Geno slightly less; they all have won national championships.