Why Does This Appear to be a Black Problem?

"If a court did apply the defense to this case, think about what that would do to the Florida law. It would mean that if you wanted to kill somebody, you could just go antagonize and harass them until they used physical force to defend themselves, and then you'd be able to claim you were in danger, pull out your gun and blow them away. A judge simply isn't going to apply the law that way. "

I hope you are right Mr. Deez, but I think you are wrong. This case will establish "the rules". I've heard that in Florida in a situation where one drug dealer attacks another and the second drug dealer, in defending himself, sprays bullets that kill passersby, drug dealer 2 will not have any criminal or civil liability thanks tolegislation carefully crafted by the NRA and the insurance industry lobbyist. However, thankfully drug dealer #1 could be prosecuted if it was his bullets that killed someone, though he is also protected from liability for bullets of the defending gunman.
 
I'd be happy to discuss dysfunction within the black community with you if that's what you'd like to do but not in this thread. This is about the murder of an unarmed kid and the scandalous response of law enforecement to it.

Is that okay with you?
 
The physical assault on the white male student is definately a hate crime. Lets see if she is prosecuted for assault and if prosecuted, prosecuted as a hate crime.
 
This girl was off her rocker, but nobody was lying face down in a pool of blood wiith a bag of skittles and iced tea.
 
Perhaps there are some great stories of heroism or even basic self-defense that is championed by these 'castle doctrine,' stand your ground' type laws. I am highly suspicious of that type of legislation.

CNN just did a piece on a black male, 70+ years of age, who yelled at some skateboarders to get off of a basketball court across the street from his home. A white male playing a little ball with his 7 year old daughter 'intervenes' by asking the elder if there were signs that indicated skateboarding was off limits. They exchange words and the elder comes across the street to further the discussion. It seems that the elder then shows he has a pistol. They tussle and, according the the snippet of testimony I saw from the daughter, it seems that the dad gets on top of the elder and a shot is fired. The elder is claiming self defense, stand your ground.

I do not like a law that protects a person who goes out of their way to confront a criminal/suspect that is not endangering them and then, once engaged, kills that person out of 'self-defense.' These 'stand your ground' type laws promote that sort of ill-advised bravado, usually, it seems, over property crimes that do not require a death sentence.

Guy went to a skateboard disagreement with a gun and now it is possible the dead man's pre-teen daughter will present testimony that frees the killer of her father. ******. The law needs to be readdressed.
 
Roger,

I think that when he called Martin a "f*ckin' coon," that pretty much sealed the deal on it being a hate crime. Kinda hard to do that with love in your heart.
 
Roger 35 - Let the investigation decide if it was a hate crime. I don't have enough evidence or a video showing Zimmerman gunning Trayvon down in cold blood. No one on this board knows what took place when Trayvon was shot.
I believe Zimmerman is a no good MF that should be castrated before execution, but that is just a feeling and supposition, not facts.
Only eyewitness to relate the event is Zimmerman. A defense attorney can make most of the the rest of it go away. I also believe Zimmerman would have pusued a white or Hispanic the same manner and used offensive language to describe them. Whether or not he would have ended up shooting is unknown. It was about power to Zimmerman and appears to be in his nature as "guardian" of the neighborhood.
I don't see him losing in criminal court from what has been reported to the public, but civil court will be another matter.
 
I don't know the whole story. But what is being presented to the public is this guy is in the wrong. So what is being reported this Zimmerman guy looks guilty.

But why it's a black and white....I mean hispanic issue is because it's a black kid is the victim. Normally there is an investigation then they seek an arrest warrant. So if this was any other race nothing would be said at this point and if the investigation shows reason for arrest, it will be made. I'm guessing this guy will be arrested but it's not fast enough for the black community even though it's normal procedure. Didn't this happen just three or four days ago?
 
Unless they can clean up the audio a great deal, I don't think that it will ever be proven that he said the word 'coons.' I believe without reservation that Zimmerman pursued Martin at least in part because Martin was a young black man. Nonetheless, when I listen to the audio, the word 'coons' is simply not clear or definite. The prosecutor may want to send it up the flagpole in front of a jury, but, unless the jury is heavily swayed by other information and is thereby entranced enough to hear 'coons' clearly, I don't think that part of the equation will be proven without other evidence.

Again, this Stand Your Ground law is at least in part why the Police did not bother with much follow up. I think they have some insight into how the law works. Zimmerman is likely to walk on any serious charge. The legislators are going to be morally culpable when that occurs.
 
buckhorn,

I am very uninformed about this and will admit it. I didn't know this happened weeks ago. I agree that there has been time for an investigation and if that investigation shows he was in the wrong, nothing should keep them from getting an arrest warrant. I did hear about some law in Florida that is protecting him as he claims he has the right to fire a weapon in self defense. Is there a chance that the investigation is showing that he was being attacked? Seriously I don't know the whole story but what is being reported on TV and I am only catching parts of that.
 
The author of Florida's version of these "make my day" laws believes that his statue does not cover Zimmerman in any way, shape or form.
 
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