What if it was not the Russians?
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Seattle Husker
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It needs to be pointed out that this is satire put out by a youtuber that calls herself "Conservative Momma".
Brad Austin
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This is the only fact out there...straight from Flynn himself without speculation or rumors of what he'll testify to.
“After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts,” Flynn said in a statement Friday after he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
“Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions,” he said.
So his statement says the treasonous and other outrageous accusations about him are false and were extraordinarily painful to endure.
If DT told him to meet with Russians during the campaign for collusion activities and he did so, would he make that above statement saying none of those type accusations against him were true?
'He told me to do it' does not dismiss one's own actions and make them false accusations. And clearly he's saying he did nothing treasonous or outrageous as he was accused.
All I get from that statement is he's taking responsibility for lying to the FBI and cooperating with the investigation.
“After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts,” Flynn said in a statement Friday after he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
“Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions,” he said.
So his statement says the treasonous and other outrageous accusations about him are false and were extraordinarily painful to endure.
If DT told him to meet with Russians during the campaign for collusion activities and he did so, would he make that above statement saying none of those type accusations against him were true?
'He told me to do it' does not dismiss one's own actions and make them false accusations. And clearly he's saying he did nothing treasonous or outrageous as he was accused.
All I get from that statement is he's taking responsibility for lying to the FBI and cooperating with the investigation.
ABC issues a clarification. IMHO, I'm sure this mistake wasn't completely innocent. http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-trump-russia-abc-news-mueller-2017-12
Latest take is that Mueller is trying to find obstruction by Trump when he pushed back on fake investigations of Russian collusion (pre-election) and Logan Act interference (post-election). Thus, Dems set a trap: 1) start a fake investigation, 2) wait for push back, 3) start an investigation on the push back by sensible people.
Seattle Husker
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Brian Ross was suspended. In this case, ABC is holding itself accountable. The misrepresentation was ABC Ross' reporting that it was Donald Trump who ordered Flynn to reach out to the Russians, first as a candidate then later corrected to POTUS-elect. In reality, it appears Ross ran with a story without verifying it's veracity. The current reports that may be more accurate is that the "senior official" was Jared Kushner.
Good for them. They might be the first of the media to put their foot down on the fake news coming from their outlets.
Seattle Husker
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Too busy to look it up but CNN let 2 people go as a response to their lack of rigor on a news story a month or two back.
I35
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They are always more accurate until it's not.
Seattle Husker
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I35
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Libs always try to point the finger at the other side. It's like an axe murderer pointing at a thief that stole a candy bar and say "he broke the law too."
It just doesn't have the same sting SH.
Joe Fan
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They are calling the Brian Ross report a screwup
Are any of you buying this?
If all that ever happened in the media were mistakes or the occasional 'screwup' then every so often we would see one of these mistakes in Trump's favor. Wouldn't we? Statistics alone demand it
But we never see that, do we? Not one time. Never. I suggest that this is statistically impossible.
What does hold these wrong stories together then? Bias is only common thread.
Are any of you buying this?
If all that ever happened in the media were mistakes or the occasional 'screwup' then every so often we would see one of these mistakes in Trump's favor. Wouldn't we? Statistics alone demand it
But we never see that, do we? Not one time. Never. I suggest that this is statistically impossible.
What does hold these wrong stories together then? Bias is only common thread.
OUBubba
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I think they call this a "something burger".
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-whistleblower-nuclear-plan-sanctions/547685/
Mueller has had this information since June and has kept it holstered. Why he released it now is interesting to think about. I'm not an attorney or even very smart so I don't know. I'm sure some of you guys might have a theory. And, if you've not read it, I recommend you read the letter from Elijah Cummings to Trey Gowdy. Interesting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-whistleblower-nuclear-plan-sanctions/547685/
Mueller has had this information since June and has kept it holstered. Why he released it now is interesting to think about. I'm not an attorney or even very smart so I don't know. I'm sure some of you guys might have a theory. And, if you've not read it, I recommend you read the letter from Elijah Cummings to Trey Gowdy. Interesting.
Seattle Husker
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If true, that would be very serious. Color me skeptical given someone anonymously sent a letter to Cummings who went public with it rather than hand it over to Mueller. If Mueller meets with the Whistleblower and can confirm the information then the pieces may truly be falling into place.
If you're thinking that you're going to get Trump on some sort of Russian conspiracy stuff you're sadly mistaken. The only thing that could bring down Trump is if Mueller and his fishing expedition catches Trump in some past business chicanery. I wouldn't put it past Trump to have done some dishonest dealings years back. However, the "Russia, Russia, Russia" stuff will likely produce nothing.
OUBubba
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I think you may have read this wrong. The whistleblower contacted Cummings back in June. He/she met with Cummings at that time. Cummings then referred he/she to Mueller. Mueller asked Cummings to keep it confidential until told differently. Presumably, once he got the plea deal with Flynn, Cummings was freed to utilize the whistleblower's information to try to get Trey Gowdy to act on the information. Cummings and Mueller know who this person is. The players will surely know who this whistleblower is based upon the specific information that he/she has relayed.
Yet the article said this helps Trump.
OUBubba
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This fits your definition of helping Trump? If so, the bar is low...
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In a narrow sense, the Cummings letter might provide Trump a lifeline. As he seeks to distance himself from Flynn, belatedly, the president might argue that Flynn was nefariously working to his own ends, without the president’s knowledge—the latest evidence that, as Trump has repeatedly claimed of late, he has no involvement in collusion with Russians.
Yet that excuse has several weak points. One is that Flynn has said that a senior transition official directed him to speak with Kisylak to try to defeat a UN Security Council resolution before the inauguration. That means whatever Flynn was doing was not contained only to himself. Another is that Flynn has yet to testify himself, but is expected to do so as part of his deal, and his testimony could implicate other transition-team members and maybe even the president.
Aside from all this, however, each new piece of evidence of Flynn’s missteps and alleged corruption further calls the president’s judgment into question. For any other president, such a parade of incriminating revelations about a top official would be catastrophic. But Trump has so many political scandals that practically speaking he has no political scandals—they all evaporate into a lingering, poisonous miasma that floats permanently over the West Wing.
The Trump team has tried to downplay Trump’s connections to Flynn, calling the retired general “a former Obama administration official.” In fact, President Obama both fired Flynn from his post at the Defense Intelligence Agency and reportedly warned Trump not to hire him.
Yet Trump, who has repeatedly bragged about his prowess in hiring the “best people,” chose as his closest adviser on the most sensitive matters of national security and defense a man who repeatedly avoided legally required disclosures, lied to FBI agents, and mismanaged the DIA while leading it. If the whistleblower’s account is to be believed, he may also have used government office to enrich his business partners and himself. Later, Trump tried to run interference for Flynn with the FBI director. The basic question on Flynn is the same as it was in March: How did this guy ever get hired as national-security adviser?
I35
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You could say this about everyone of Obama's picks starting with Hillary at Sec of State. American Citizens died as she ignored and then deny request of having help.
Trump has done well at his picks. Not every single one will pan out. Beside he was only in that position for something like 25 days right? Trump fired him for lying to VP Pence. Obama fired nobody no matter how bad or corrupt they were.
I35
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Joke? No it's not a joke as people died because of her actions.
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