What if it was not the Russians?

[Joe Fan]

I suspect the Podesta Group is next

There is some chatter that Tony Podesta is in custody.
And that John Podesta is is supposed to turn himself in
No way I can verify any of this
But, if it is true, will mean even bigger domino will fall

 

[Joe Fan]

Seems to be a lot happening at once
Trump is in the air
They better keep him safe

 

[Joe Fan]

There is some chatter that Tony Podesta is in custody.
And that John Podesta is is supposed to turn himself in....

Does looks like 2 sealed federal indictments were filed with the DC docket today. Not conclusive, but consistent with above.
We will see.

 

[Joe Fan]

Talk about fake news
How long has this been going on?
Would explain alot about the unchecked bias of US media

"Russia dossier investigators suspect reporters were paid to spread collusion claims"

Fusion GPS, the dossier’s financier via the Democratic Party and the Hillary Clinton campaign money, is fighting a House committee chairman’s bid to find out if the opposition research firm paid journalists.​

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...CMDZWaFpcLzVMXC9zXC91ZUlSSXQ2WTBFSHAwNXkifQ==

 

[Joe Fan]

Donna Brazile says she asked about the funding of the Steele dossier days before the election, “I was told I did not need to know”.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Remember Russian attorney Veselnitskaya? The woman who DJT, Jr. met with?
The meeting liberals went batshit crazy over?

Turns out the DNC had hired GPS Fusion in April to dig up dirt on Trump while the meeting between Veselnitskaya and DJT, Jr was not until June. Fusion GPS founder, former WSJ writer, Glenn Simpson met with Veselnitskaya that same day both before and after that meeting. In addition and also at the time of this meeting, bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts. This means Fusion GPS had simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests though all of this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ative-before-and-after-trump-jr-sit-down.html

There are allegations that Simpson drove Veselnitskaya all around the country to various Trump appearances hoping to entrap someone on the Trump Team.

 

[Joe Fan]

The number of Sealed Indictments was 12 as of Saturday (Nov 4) in the DC District Court
17 Sealed Indictments as of Monday
24 Sealed Indictments as of today
Is this the much ballyhoed Swamp drain?

 

[Joe Fan]

Glenn Simpson of Fusion was also in a NY court with Veselnitskaya. I wrote about her court appearance earlier. The court hearing Veselnitskaya and Simpson had to do with another Russian oligarch Fusion client (Denis Katsyv and his company Prevezon Holdings). They were sanctioned for doing business in the US and for money laundering ($230M). The whistleblower in that case was Sergei Magnitsky, a name that might ring a bell. He was beaten to death in a Russian prison in 2009.

You my recall from my writing ealier that the Obama Admin got special permission for Veselnitskaya to be in NY for this trial. This was eventhough she has no license to practice in NY (or anywhere else in the US) and she does not even speak English. Also, their actual lawyers at trial were disqualified for ethical violations.

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is some of what I wrote earlier about this woman's visa from the Obama people
The issue here was how did she remain in the country for thus June meeting with DJT, Jr?
The Obama Admin had to be cooperating and coordinating, no other way

Here is the timeline for Natalia Veselnitskaya being in the US
According to the timeline released by the Department of Homeland Security, the Obama Justice and Homeland Security departments granted her a special type of “parole” to be in the U.S. from September 2015 through February 2016 to work on a court case in New York.

This was Preet Bharara (who was very unhappy he was later fired by Trump/Sessions). After that permission expired, Bharara's Office denied her request for an extension.

So how did she then remain in the country?
After that expired, according to DHS, the State Department issued her a B1/B2 non-immigrant visa in June 2016, according to DHS, just in time for her meeting with Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort

Remember that it was State who has initially denied to grant Veselnitskaya an entry visa. Why did Obama's State Dept change their minds? Lynch intervened directly through the State Dept is how.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html

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From the same article above on that B1/B2 non-immigrant visa granted Natalia Veselnitskaya in June 2016--

"..... Acting Chief of Media Relations for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Gillian Christensen told Fox News on Thursday that a range of DHS agencies would typically deal with parole requests, but USCIS was not involved in this particular case.​

The type of parole Veselnitskaya was granted is given “sparingly” and in “extraordinary circumstances,” including urgent humanitarian reasons, such as medical or family emergency. ...."

None of that was present here.​

 

[mchammer]

Remember Russian attorney Veselnitskaya? The woman who DJT, Jr. met with?
The meeting liberals went batshit crazy over?

Turns out the DNC had hired GPS Fusion in April to dig up dirt on Trump while the meeting between Veselnitskaya and DJT, Jr was not until June. Fusion GPS founder, former WSJ writer, Glenn Simpson met with Veselnitskaya that same day both before and after that meeting. In addition and also at the time of this meeting, bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts. This means Fusion GPS had simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests though all of this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ative-before-and-after-trump-jr-sit-down.html

There are allegations that Simpson drove Veselnitskaya all around the country to various Trump appearances hoping to entrap someone on the Trump Team.

Where is tin foil Sooner?

 

[Joe Fan]

Where is tin foil Sooner?

He no longer cares about Russian collusion
Go figure

 

[Joe Fan]

The House committee is supposed to have received Fusion GPS bank records today

If so, I hope they make it public
Even if no crime is uncovered, the people have a right to know how these Swamp creatures operate
In particular, I want to see if the were giving cash to the media

 

[OUBubba]

As long as she has dirt on Hillary, I'm in!

 

[OUBubba]

So, what's your quick and dirty theory on said attorney?

I did find it odd that they'd email DJT Jr. about a meeting with the "Crown Prosecutor" from Moscow. I mean, is that a thing? That said, DJTJ bit on it like a Sooner DB on a hitch and go and invited everyone and incriminated himself all at once. It was almost as stupid as his email where he was guilty as sin of real estate fraud when he said something to the effect of "the only people who could testify against us are copied on this email". Part of me thinks that Trump and his team were collusion curious and knew that the odds were against them. Russia wanted to grow dissent and, expecting a Hillary win, wanted a world where the electorate was not happy. I think they're still doing it. I think they're still posting on message boards and comment sections. Hell, musburger, me or even Joe could be Russian trolls. We could be Russian trolls sitting in cubicles laughing our arse off at this back and forth.

 

[Joe Fan]

The number of Sealed Indictments is now 33 on the docket of the District Court in DC
I did not do criminal law, but I had to sit there plenty of times and wait on them to finish (thanks alot 6th Amendment). 33 seems like a lot in this short amount of time. But maybe not. Anyone here know better?
This is the same court where Mueller's grand jury approved the Manafort, Gates and Papadop indictments.

 

[Joe Fan]

So, what's your quick and dirty theory on said attorney?

I think the Obama Admin was keeping her in the country on this unusual visa to give her the chance to entrap someone on Team Trump. In other words, the Admin was cooperating with GPS Fusion, probably not directly, rather through multiple levels, but it was being done. She was probably mic'd. The plan was to get something to do with Russians, then use that to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the whole operation.

One other fact no one talks about is that Obama himself directly chipped in money on this project.

Was this your question?

 

[Joe Fan]

The House committee is supposed to have received Fusion GPS bank records today....

This rumor is true or at least an agreement was reached on the subpoena to their bank.

I certainly hope their payments to media types is included. But they filed a motion on Friday seeking a TRO the suspend the subpoena as it related to “any law firm, ‘media company’ or journalist with which it has worked.” So, it is possible the deal they reached will let our corrupt media off the hook.

It was this same House subpoena that forced the law firm for HRC/DNC to admit last week that they financed the Russian dossier on Trump. Spending at least $1M on this effort (maybe more). The subpoena also smoked out some Trump-haters on the right -- the Washington Free Beacon founded by rich guy Paul Singer.

 

[Joe Fan]

Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson has struck a deal to testify "voluntarily" before the House Intelligence Committee next week. Sadly, will be closed doors.

Simpson has been saying he would plead the 5th.
But I guess now that he knows the House will get the incriminating bank records, he gave that idea up.
You have to wonder if part of his "deal" includes around the clock protection for he and his family.

 

[Joe Fan]

....Turns out the DNC had hired GPS Fusion in April to dig up dirt on Trump while the meeting between Veselnitskaya and DJT, Jr was not until June. Fusion GPS founder, former WSJ writer, Glenn Simpson met with Veselnitskaya that same day both before and after that meeting. In addition and also at the time of this meeting, bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts. ....

Here is Andrew McCarthy's speculation on what these meeting between Fusion GPS & Veselnitskaya were about. With all the Russian names and twisted story, it reads like a mini-Tolstoy story
http://nypost.com/2017/11/08/deep-in-the-swamp-playing-for-clinton-and-the-kremlin/

"..... Prevezon is controlled by the Katsyv family — specifically Denis Katsyv, the son of Pyotr Katsyv, a high-ranking Russian transportation official and close confederate of Russian strongman Vladimir Putin. Veselnitskaya is a lawyer for the Katsyvs in Moscow, a big part of what makes her a trusted Kremlin operative.

Prevezon was one of the companies allegedly involved in the swindle of hundreds of millions of dollars from the Russian financial fund Hermitage. This is the spectacular fraud that was uncovered by Sergei Magnitsky, a private investigator in Moscow. Upon exposing the Putin regime’s culpability, he was imprisoned, tortured and killed. This atrocity drove Congress to enact the 2012 Magnitsky Act....."​

 

[OUBubba]

I think the Obama Admin was keeping her in the country on this unusual visa to give her the chance to entrap someone on Team Trump. In other words, the Admin was cooperating with GPS Fusion, probably not directly, rather through multiple levels, but it was being done. She was probably mic'd. The plan was to get something to do with Russians, then use that to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the whole operation.

One other fact no one talks about is that Obama himself directly chipped in money on this project.

Was this your question?

Yes. Thanks for that. Where's the pudding on that theory/fact of Obama personally giving money to entrap Trumps peeps with Russians?

That is certainly possible but I don't think the Administration needed to "coerce" the Trump folks into this. See DJT Jr's quick response for that.

I watched an interesting two part Frontline on Putin/Russia and how this all played out. It highlighted to me that Trump & Co. may likely not be a partner as much as a victim. The Russian "campaign" was only designed to hurt our country through sowing dissension with the incoming President. A perfect storm found that effort successful. Here's an example of the perfect storm rhetoric: Somehow the IC had evidence that Putin personally had authorized this activity. It was unprecedented. There were weeks of debate on how to proceed. Obama didn't want to be seen as putting his hands on the election scale. It was finally agreed that they would release this: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national. They did it on a Friday and wanted to control the narrative for the weekend.

Less than an hour after that was released the Billy Bush "grab em' by the longhorn" tape was released. 45 minutes after that Wikileaks started releasing Podesta emails. I didn't even remember that joint statement.

Anyway, it highlighted to me that, while certain players in the Trump campaign may have entanglements and even illegal arrangements with Russia or Russian $, that Trump was likely just their patsy and they'll be willing to burn him down by releasing their stuff on him in the future once it will benefit them.

 

[Joe Fan]

Yes. Thanks for that. Where's the pudding on that theory/fact of Obama personally giving money to entrap Trumps peeps with Russians?....

Not sure if pudding means this is not factual?

It is the FEC's records that show Obama’s official campaign group gave nearly $1M to Perkins Coie (law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS/Steele). Obama For America (OFA) first paid Perkins Coie April 25-26, 2016 which were classified as “Legal Services.” It was April when Perkins Coie hired GPS Fusion. In addition, if you will recall from earlier posts, Obama had already bled the DNC dry by this time. Donna Brazile disclosed it was $24M in the red when Obama handed it back to them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.36c0213e740e

 

[Joe Fan]

....That is certainly possible but I don't think the Administration needed to "coerce" the Trump folks into this. See DJT Jr's quick response for that.....

I'm glad you brought this back up because I have asked you this question multiple times and you have avoided answering. For a long time, you have claimed Trump, Jr illegally colluded with the Russians on the election, even though no actual "collusion" has ever been shown. Yet you maintain the actual collusion between HRC/DNC and the Russians (via Perkins Coie/GPS Fusion/Steele), which has been proven, is not illegal. How do you reconcile these two positions?

 

[OUBubba]

I'm glad you brought this back up because I have asked you this question multiple times and you have avoided answering. For a long time, you have claimed Trump, Jr illegally colluded with the Russians on the election, even though no actual "collusion" has ever been shown. Yet you maintain the actual collusion between HRC/DNC and the Russians (via Perkins Coie/GPS Fusion/Steele), which has been proven, is not illegal. How do you reconcile these two positions?

Dude. That's opposition research. It was started by a Republican candidate. That's not actual collusion. I have this crazy assumption that Fusion GPS does a lot of stuff and doesn't hang their shingle out just for Russian collusion. What we do have is months and months of statements from Manafort, Trump Sr., Trump Jr., et al. that says "Collusion? How? We didn't even meet with any Russians." Then, the facts bubble to the top that show meetings and emails and trips to Russia and statements like "dirt on Clinton from a foreign government? I'd love it!" You ought to read the Carter Paige testimony. It's a real poop show that highlights that he should have spent a little money on legal counsel.

I think what is going to come out is that after these meetings that "never happened" there was coordination of both information and $ between the Trump campaign and various other entities. It will take time. That said, I'm moving more toward the middle that Trump is possibly just a patsy of the Russians - not a willing/knowing participant. This is a new warfare that they have not stopped and that we need to address on all sides of all isles.

 

[mchammer]

Dude. That's opposition research. It was started by a Republican candidate. That's not actual collusion. I have this crazy assumption that Fusion GPS does a lot of stuff and doesn't hang their shingle out just for Russian collusion. What we do have is months and months of statements from Manafort, Trump Sr., Trump Jr., et al. that says "Collusion? How? We didn't even meet with any Russians." Then, the facts bubble to the top that show meetings and emails and trips to Russia and statements like "dirt on Clinton from a foreign government? I'd love it!" You ought to read the Carter Paige testimony. It's a real poop show that highlights that he should have spent a little money on legal counsel.

I think what is going to come out is that after these meetings that "never happened" there was coordination of both information and $ between the Trump campaign and various other entities. It will take time. That said, I'm moving more toward the middle that Trump is possibly just a patsy of the Russians - not a willing/knowing participant. This is a new warfare that they have not stopped and that we need to address on all sides of all isles.

Carter Paige didn’t do anything illegal. It’s all political theatre.

 

[OUBubba]

Carter Paige didn’t do anything illegal. It’s all political theatre.

Maybe not. We'll know at some point either way. I read some of the transcript while my wife had some damned housewives show on. It highlighted 2 things to me. 1. He may be smart but he's a f'n idiot. Even Gowdy started drilling him on some basic loose facts. His speaking manner reminded me of the assistant coach from Bull Durham. 2. In his shoes, never go into anything like that without a lawyer.

 

[mchammer]

Maybe not. We'll know at some point either way. I read some of the transcript while my wife had some damned housewives show on. It highlighted 2 things to me. 1. He may be smart but he's a f'n idiot. Even Gowdy started drilling him on some basic loose facts. His speaking manner reminded me of the assistant coach from Bull Durham. 2. In his shoes, never go into anything like that without a lawyer.

Funny, Dems and leftists who want to “see” a crime says he should have a lawyer. Wishful thinking.

 

[Joe Fan]

....What we do have is months and months of statements from Manafort...

Neither Manafort nor Gates was charged with collusion (which is not a crime anyway). If they get them, probably FARA or maybe for taxes.

Page, if anything, will be a process crime (like Scooter Libby) but from what I have read so far, all he got was a handshake and a "hope your guy wins, we look forward to working with him in the future." You really think that should be a crime?

 

[Joe Fan]

Carter Paige didn’t do anything illegal. It’s all political theatre.

The political theatre is ouB saying Hillary paying Russians and receiving something tangible from them is only "opposition research, while Carter Page's handshake was a felony.

Let's see what they say when Podesta does the perp walk.

 

[OUBubba]

Neither Manafort nor Gates was charged with collusion (which is not a crime anyway). If they get them, probably FARA or maybe for taxes.

Page, if anything, will be a process crime (like Scooter Libby) but from what I have read so far, all he got was a handshake and a "hope your guy wins, we look forward to working with him in the future." You really think that should be a crime?

That's what they're charged with now. I expect that they have more to come and possibly New York state charges as well that can't be pardoned by DJT. There are also more than a few sealed indictments, correct? So, stay tuned.