What if it was not the Russians?

Joe Fan said:
funny

"FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...sian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

"Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.

They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

The racketeering scheme was conducted “with the consent of higher level officials” in Russia who “shared the proceeds” from the kickbacks, one agent declared in an affidavit years later.

Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefitting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions....."​
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I'm curious to how much of this will be covered by the mainstream media.
 
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Joe Fan said:
They wanted collusion with Russian proven
Well, here it is
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Where is all the faux outrage about Russian Collusion now?

Where are the liberal posters here who sincerely asked us -- shouldnt we all want to get to the bottom of Russian influence in American politics? Was that fake sincerity? Sure seems that way right now

They claimed Putin was involved and they told us they really, really cared about that. Well, Putin was almost certainly involved in this uranium scheme. How do we know? Because we know he had been trying to acquire uranium assets (a foundational element for nuclear weapons) for some time. And this deal cost them well over $1Billion total. Thus, it almost certainly had to have his approval.

So where are they?
 
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We have known about this story for some time now. But the piece by the Hill (above) fills in many holes that existed.

What do we know? Those Bill Clinton speeches in Moscow (at twice his normal rate) and the Russian donations to the Clinton Foundation were part of a massive bribery operation by Russia to get its Uranium deal. The Russians bribed their way through the Obama Admin in order to purchase our nuclear fuel. This should be a wow to everyone. Will it be?

What else do we know? The FBI had been building a case since 2009. The FBI had:
-- extensive financial records
-- secret recordings
-- intercepted emails
-- money laundering transfers
-- they even had a man on the inside, an eyewitness
That proved what? bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering. Including millions routed to the Clinton Foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided the favorable decision to Moscow.

What happened to that original case? DOJ sat on most of it
Why? Good question
Who decided this? Here it gets more interesting. Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe supervised the Russia bribery scheme.

Who are they? McCabe is now Deputy Director of the FBI while Rosenstein is now the Deputy Attorney General. It was Rosenstein who appointed Robert Mueller as Special Prosecutor.
Can you guess who the FBI Director was back in the time of this Russian bribery investigation? Robert Mueller!

So here we have a situation where Rosenstein, a person at the center of the Russian uranium corruption case, appointed his old buddy Mueller as the Special Prosecutor on Trump. For his part, Mueller knew as far back as 2009 that Putin’s Nuclear Man in the US (Vadim Mikerin) was directing bribes in the US. As crazy as this sounds, Mueller delivered the uranium to Russia while his FBI was investigating the Clintons’ part in the uranium deal with Russia. Incredible

What conclusion can we draw from all of this?
Here is my shot at it. All of this Trump-Russia stuff is a tactic by Obama-era hacks to divert attention away from their own Russia corruption and intelligence community abuses. This story here is not really about about Russia collusion in the US election. It never was. It is about Mueller/Comey/McCabe/Rosenstein going along with Obama/Holder to bury the earlier collusion involving the woman (and husband) they thought would be the next president. That group went along with the Obama Administration’s effort to play down this massive Russia/nuclear bribery scheme. They provided cover for the Clintons.

And now you know why Rosenstein appointed Mueller: He knew Mueller won’t go on the real Russian collusion case. Why? Because it points back directly at Mueller (and the rest of them).

It's a giant incestuous mess. One that involves multiple, overlapping instances of conflict of interest. None of these people (Rosenstein, McCabe, Mueller) should be involved in any of this now. It's ridiculous
 
This one paragraph says so much - The Obama Admin knew that Bill and Hillary got money as part of a Russia influence scheme.
This should light DC up
But it probably wont

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McCabe and Rosenstein in charge?
They were part of the team that allowed a Russian nuclear firm under criminal investigation purchase a large chunk the US uranium supply
Session should have taken steps to prevent this from happening

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horninchicago said:
There will be crickets on many fronts on this.
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If they care about the possibility the Russians attempted to intervene in a US election, shouldnt they also care the Russians tampering with US nuclear security six years earlier?

Isnt this an actual national security issue?
 
Joe Fan said:
If they care about the possibility the Russians attempted to intervene in a US election, shouldnt they also care the Russians tampering with US nuclear security six years earlier?

Isnt this an actual national security issue?
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Yes, I watched all this on Hannity last night. This is absolutely a national security threat and Hillary and Obama et al all knew about it. Bribery, kick backs, you name it, as you detailed above.
 
The Senate Judiciary Committee has launched a probe into a Russian nuclear bribery case, demanding several federal agencies disclose whether they knew the FBI had uncovered the corruption before the Obama administration in 2010 approved a controversial uranium deal with Moscow.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the committee chairman, gets his first chance to raise the issue in public on Wednesday when he questions Attorney General Jeff Sessions during an oversight hearing.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-probe-into-obama-era-russian-nuclear-bribery
 
Joe Fan said:
Where is all the faux outrage about Russian Collusion now?

Where are the liberal posters here who sincerely asked us -- shouldnt we all want to get to the bottom of Russian influence in American politics? Was that fake sincerity? Sure seems that way right now
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Fake sincerity like defending Donald Trump's sexual assaults/harassment then going into overdrive on Harvey Weinstien? Asking for a friend. ;)


They claimed Putin was involved and they told us they really, really cared about that. Well, Putin was almost certainly involved in this uranium scheme. How do we know? Because we know he had been trying to acquire uranium assets (a foundational element for nuclear weapons) for some time. And this deal cost them well over $1Billion total. Thus, it almost certainly had to have his approval.

So where are they?
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I want to learn more about this. If there is some illegality to the transaction then I'll stand in line to say lock her up. I also know that the decision to sell the Uranium to Russia was not HRC's alone but rather a panel of 16 people. If there is evidence of bribery to the Clinton foundation then all the panel members need to be investigated.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Aside from his own claims on audio, previous lawsuits and the ones still going on? Here is an account of the woman that filed then later withdrew a lawsuit in '97.
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As I said, where's the proof? Trump's rant on audio hardly proves he's a harrasser/assaulter. Perhaps a sexist pig but that's about it. Why did the woman withdraw her lawsuit(I couldn't read it)? Probably got the payoff from Trump that she wanted. Nearly all wealthy, popular guys deal with these lawsuits. Allegations don't mean much. Why do you think Pence is scared to death to be left alone with a woman besides his wife?
 
Joe Fan said:
Here is some more on Fusion GPS by the WSJ/Kimberley Strassel -- "Who Paid for the ‘Trump Dossier’?"
Democrats don’t want you to find out—and that ought to be a scandal of its own......
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GPS Fusion finally before Congress
Taking the 5th of course




 
Whole lotta actual collusion went down in 2016 to steal the election. The irony is none of it involved the one person who has a special counsel trying to find evidence of his guilt. :smh:

Hillary colluded with DNC and media to beat Bernie...proven
Obama admin unmasking to beat Trump...proven
FBI and many others colluded with Fusion GPS to beat Trump...proven
Media colluded with HRC to beat Trump...proven
Trump colluded with Russia to beat HRC...crickets

Sure I left out a few other colluding plots to defeat DT but it's hard to keep count these days.
 
"Is it time for Special Counsel Robert Mueller to recuse himself from his investigation into Russian activities in the 2016 presidential election?

Lost in much of the discussion over this week’s developments in the growing Russia/Uranium/Clinton scandal is the fact that none other than Mueller was the FBI Director during this investigation. And that investigation is under serious scrutiny.

Under Attorney General Eric Holder, the FBI informant at the center of the probe was prohibited from revealing any of the details of the investigation to members of Congress because of a non-disclosure agreement that has been characterized as unusual by the informant’s attorney ...."​

https://www.mediaite.com/columnists...ctor-during-the-russia-uranium-investigation/
 
GPS Fusion GPS went to court to stop the House from obtaining its bank records

"....... The committee's intention in sending the subpoena to TD Bank is to see if Fusion's bank records shed light on who financed the Trump dossier. That is one of the two most important questions in the dossier investigation -- the other being whether any U.S. intelligence or law enforcement agencies used the unverified dossier as a basis for surveillance applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Fusion has flatly refused to provide any information on its funding to either House or Senate investigators.....
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It is not unprecedented for Congress to subpoena bank records. As a general rule, according to congressional investigators, banks usually comply without much fuss. But of course, this is not a routine case.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ouse-from-seeing-bank-records/article/2638187​
 
The subpoenas^ were issued by Mike Conaway (R-TX) who sought basic information about the Steele dossier that we still do not know. Such as who paid for it.

The consensus has long been that an Anti-Trumper initially funded the Steele dossier through the primary. But then pro-Clinton supporters forces took over funding. There are even claims that the FBI paid Fusion GPS as well for this "dossier" the contents of which have never been substantiated.

Despite this lack of substantiation, the FBI was somehow able to use it to get a FISA warrant. This warrant allowed the Obama Admin to wiretap the Trump campaign under false cover in one of the most outrageous acts in US election history. It also seems almost certain that the Obama folks then passed on some of the FISA-acquired information to aid the Clinton Campaign.
 
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To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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"Remember when we sold 20% of our uranium to Russia for $145M, had the FBI cover it up, and then accused Trump of collusion?
Oh boy, that was a good one"

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