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Deez,

I don't want the legislature to do anything; in fact, if they continue to do nothing, I am fine with that, since they serve no purpose but their personal money grab. When I worked in the Senate, I personally respected every member except one, who I thought was a complete dumbass, and there was the senator from Taylor County that didn't seem to blend in. Now, I have little or no respect for any of them.

My point, however poorly put forth, was that the demigods always jump on some popular item at the end of the session to be able to jump up and say "look what I did for YOU".
 
Monahorns said:
This wasn't passed by the Texas Lege. This was passed by Austin residents.

I know several people who are pissed off about it. They somehow equate banning public camping as abusing the homeless. Very shallow, binary thinkers.
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If so, the voters are dumb. It's not "abusing the homeless" but simply creating another spiral that inhibits the solution of getting these people off the streets. Everyone wants to get them off the streets. Why build walls towards that goal? It's punitive and isn't something that these people consider when they setup their tent to have a night to sleep due to the lack of another option.
 
mchammer said:
We need to start a penal colony for vagrants that provides a bed and food. Have it so far outside of city limits that every trip out there takes the vagrant 3 weeks to get back. You have to apply friction to the process otherwise you get what we have now in Austin. Waiting for you to see it Deez.
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This. Have 1000 acres with tents and port-o-potties and manual labor. You want to live in a tent? Here is your opportunity. You need mental help? You can get sorted out here as well.
 
Seattle Husker said:
If so, the voters are dumb. It's not "abusing the homeless" but simply creating another spiral that inhibits the solution of getting these people off the streets. Everyone wants to get them off the streets. Why build walls towards that goal? It's punitive and isn't something that these people consider when they setup their tent to have a night to sleep due to the lack of another option.
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What's the solution? If we stipulate the vast majority of them are mentally ill, then are you in favor of spending whatever it takes to house them and keep them there? Drugs and a campus like institution?
 
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Interesting to see if people are ok forcing mentally ill people who are homeless to get help. That is the ONLY way to get 99% of them into a program.
I know in most cities social workers and charities wth services are out there nearly every night talking to the homeless. Once the homeless understand there are rules and restrictions 99% refuse.
So unless there is some way to mandate they get help and treament there is no solution.
Giving them tents and food only prolongs the problem.
It is asinine to think a homeless person can pay a fine
 
Horn6721 said:
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Interesting to see if people are ok forcing mentally ill people who are homeless to get help. That is the ONLY way to get 99% of them into a program.
I know in most cities social workers and charities wth services are out there nearly every night talking to the homeless. Once the homeless understand there are rules and restrictions 99% refuse.
So unless there is some way to mandate they get help and treament there is no solution.
Giving them tents and food only prolongs the problem.
It is asinine to think a homelless person can pay a fine
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It is a very sad situation. Everybody seems to agree they won't take care themselves like normal people (ha... yeah, that's supposedly us right?) so then what? Is choosing to live on the streets harming yourself? If so, then it appears the state has an interest. So what to do? It appears a "solution" must be forced on them and we as a society have then made our choice. There is no good solution except the hope that institutionalizing them will be humane and safe.
 
bystander said:
What's the solution? If we stipulate the vast majority of them are mentally ill, then are you in favor of spending whatever it takes to house them and keep them there? Drugs and a campus like institution?
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As a resident of an area that's dealing with a similar problem that likely predates Austin's there is no easy solution. I'm in 100% favor of more funding for mentally ill. You can literally see the deterioration in mental health of those individuals. When I worked downtown Seattle over months you could see these individual get more distraught (dirtier, less clothing in colder weather, no clothing where expected). If they weren't mentally ill when they landed on the street, they are now or the condition has worsened.

I think you need to pull (by force if needed) these people off the street for treatment. As a society we've become resistant to involuntary commitment but I think that has to happen. From what I can tell, it's impossible to extricate the mental illness problem from the drug use problem. Only in treatment can you start that process of cleaning up these individuals.
 
Seattle Husker said:
As a resident of an area that's dealing with a similar problem that likely predates Austin's there is no easy solution. I'm in 100% favor of more funding for mentally ill. You can literally see the deterioration in mental health of those individuals. When I worked downtown Seattle over months you could see these individual get more distraught (dirtier, less clothing in colder weather, no clothing where expected). If they weren't mentally ill when they landed on the street, they are now or the condition has worsened.

I think you need to pull (by force if needed) these people off the street for treatment. As a society we've become resistant to involuntary commitment but I think that has to happen. From what I can tell, it's impossible to extricate the mental illness problem from the drug use problem. Only in treatment can you start that process of cleaning up these individuals.
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If a person is truly mentally ill, then I don't know how you can clean them up for a drug problem on top of that. It just seems that we have two choices; let them camp wherever they want or engage in involuntary commitment. It's easy to say, "Put them away," but we all need to agree on funding and the commitment to facilities that aren't cesspools. But how likely is that? In the end, I just think we have to do it; commitment and treatment.

Arresting them is a short-term involuntary commitment. Long-term, it's the same thing for those serial offenders. The problem might be sorting everyone out.
 
bystander said:
If a person is truly mentally ill, then I don't know how you can clean them up for a drug problem on top of that. It just seems that we have two choices; let them camp wherever they want or engage in involuntary commitment. It's easy to say, "Put them away," but we all need to agree on funding and the commitment to facilities that aren't cesspools. But how likely is that? In the end, I just think we have to do it; commitment and treatment.

Arresting them is a short-term involuntary commitment. Long-term, it's the same thing for those serial offenders. The problem might be sorting everyone out.
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Arresting them and fining them is not a solution. Most homeless people have no $$ and arresting them is merely a temporary solution that creates a police record that inhibits them from getting out of the situation if/when they are ready. This is where Seattle is at, trying to offer social services rather than police action to coax them off the streets. It's only moderately effective but not a scalable solution.
 
bystander said:
If a person is truly mentally ill, then I don't know how you can clean them up for a drug problem on top of that. It just seems that we have two choices; let them camp wherever they want or engage in involuntary commitment. It's easy to say, "Put them away," but we all need to agree on funding and the commitment to facilities that aren't cesspools. But how likely is that? In the end, I just think we have to do it; commitment and treatment.

Arresting them is a short-term involuntary commitment. Long-term, it's the same thing for those serial offenders. The problem might be sorting everyone out.
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Even mentally ill people behave better if expectations are set for better behavior. It’s true for everyone. The trouble is that in Austin you are encouraged to do whatever, for example male folks who want to go into little girl bathrooms and drag queen story hour at the neighborhood library. If I was a crazy bum being booked, I would ask the magistrate who is the crazy one?
 
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Seattle Husker said:
Arresting them and fining them is not a solution. Most homeless people have no $$ and arresting them is merely a temporary solution that creates a police record that inhibits them from getting out of the situation if/when they are ready. This is where Seattle is at, trying to offer social services rather than police action to coax them off the streets. It's only moderately effective but not a scalable solution.
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I just mentioned the arrests as an example of involuntary commitment. Now instead, we go long-term. I understand they're broke. I'd also rather the police deal with more violent crimes (alleged) instead of picking up "vagrants" to use an old school term.
 
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In regards to the 90k dead from overdoses in 2020, I'll go ahead and say a lot of that has to do with increased drug and alcohol use because of covid lockdowns that made it VERY difficult to visit or practically shut down all support mechanisms for addicts...like AA. But according to liberals those deaths don't matter.
 
^I sincerely hope that the employees of the relocating firms do not bring their Democratic Party voting traditions with them. We need to keep Texas red!
 
HornHuskerDad said:
^I sincerely hope that the employees of the relocating firms do not bring their Democratic Party voting traditions with them. We need to keep Texas red!
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25 years ago it was the opposite. Almost everyone that moved here were conservatives (Austin being the exception). Now it seems we have more liberals coming in than in the past. Hope that trend dies
 
It's like a beach Somalia. It's sad. When I was a kid in the '80s, I used to hang out in some of the beach communities in the Los Angeles area when visiting extended family. Most of them were really nice. In fact most of Los Angeles was really nice especially compared with **** hole Oakland where I lived. Now it's all going to hell.
 
For several decades, Venice Beach was my favorite place in SoCal. Some really good food places at the cheapest prices. Best entertainment in SoCal. Grab a table or barstool and watch the floor show go by. Lots of laughter.

When the democrats elect other democrats, that is the **** you get, and they deserve it. They have completely destroyed SFO & greater LA.
 
SabreHorn said:
When the democrats elect other democrats, that is the **** you get, and they deserve it. They have completely destroyed SFO & greater LA.
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Yet the voters continue to elect these idoits. If you keep going the way you're going, you're going to wind up where you're headed.
 
Greg Abbot is a compromiser with the Democrat agenda. He is an establishment Republican who still is playing by mid-20th century rules. He needs to be replaced with a conservative culture warrior like Allen West or Don Huffhines.
 
Monahorns said:
Greg Abbot is a compromiser with the Democrat agenda. He is an establishment Republican who still is playing by mid-20th century rules. He needs to be replaced with a conservative culture warrior like Allen West or Don Huffhines.
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I'd love to see Alan West as governor. The left would lose its mind to see a strong Black conservative military vet as governor of Texas.
 
Allen West is a real conservative. If you've ever heard him speak in person you realize he walks his talk.

Would be the perfect person to be our conservative face.
 
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