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Prop B Austin results: Voters bring back homeless camping ban
This will give the police the authority to remove camping in public areas. Frankly I'm surprise the vote was as close as it was. As much as it pains me to compliment the people of Austin, this is how our country is supposed to work. A petition was created by the people, they collected enough signatures to get this proposition on the ballot then the people voted for it. The people are getting sick of how the city council views themselves as the all mighty and nothing can touch their decisions.
That the vote was only 60-40 says just how fed up the liberals in Austin actually are. In a jurisdiction where there were any reasonable number of conservatives, this would have been more like 70-30 or 75-25.
Given how left the City itself leans, I was worried it would not pass. After all, the conservatives OUTSIDE of the city jurisdiction could not vote on the issue. My mailing address may say Austin, but it is outside the actual city limits and is surrounded by West Lake Hills in unincorporated Travis County.
At its most basic level, this rolls things back to where they were before Adler and the City Clowncil decided on their own to screw things up. The opponents of Prop B were whining that it offers no solution but the Prop had no obligation to offer a solution to a problem largely created by the Clowncil.
Hopefully the fire hoses are out in full force within the next week and a half to two weeks...it will take some effort to get rid of the stench and trash.
The question I have is where do these people go? They have no home and don't have the capability to get out of town. We gonna buy them a one way bus ticket out of town? Because otherwise they just move around town from place to place.
Sleeping in a van down by the river.
Seriously they should have a camp outside of the city to take them to where they can try to find them a home or a new city to relocate.
Get a giant warehouse and put them there. Then find out where they came from and send them back.
Monahorns
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This is why some people voted against Prop B, because there was no solution added. They were concerned this would harm homeless people. The thinking was, I don't like all the camps but if we don't provide another place or solution then we are harming them in some way.
I don't think that is the case really. Their lives will suck big time. It's just that it will suck in a way that is hidden from the public eye. That is better to me than their life sucking in front of businesses and street corners.
Also, homeless are mobile. What will most likely happen is that they will get on a bus and move to a city that has more lax policy. It's kind of like the border situation. Bad policy creates bad outcomes due to bad incentives. It wouldn't surprise me if many homeless just move somewhere else when they get the chance. It doesn't solve the problem of that person's life, but it removes the problem of their degraded lives degrading the community around them.
Do you think FedEx would give the city a discount for mass shipment?
My guess is that very few of them are FROM Austin, which means they had funds enough to GET to Austin, so they have funds to get AWAY from Austin.
If they have funds for alcohol, dope, iPhones and cigarettes, then they have funds for Greyhound. Period. And those tents didn't all just fall in their laps from the skies.
The 2019 Clowncil action is what gave rise to the current shitshow. All this vote did was roll things back two years. There was no need for the proposition to have a solution incorporated INTO the language.
If the City had not invited those bums into the city, then we would not be in this position NOW! Instead, the Clowncil keeps proposing additional free crap for them as inducements, completely ignoring the threat to a public safety and crime situation that was being fostered.
Resources exist for those who want it, but it is often couched with a requirement to SEEK WORK and to NOT DO DRUGS. Seemingly simple rules for those who actually want a hand up instead of a handout...
I also suspect there are a bunch of those campers that are doing this in much the same way that some backpack across Europe during a break from school. They have families who are putting money on cards for them. There is most definitely a large number that are 'tenting' (as Adler puts it) by choice, not by necessity.
Of course, the Clowncil wants to basically appropriate properties for unfunded mandates, which does nothing but kick the can down the curb until the next election cycle so that it is the NEXT Mayor and Clowncil that becomes the bad guys for having to recommend tax hikes to support this crap like buying and paying for hotel rooms.
Sure do.
Seriously while there are some tarp shelters there are some very nice tents in the midst. Just seems to me there are reasonable alternatives to the filth being allowed currently.
Send them to Seattle or San Francisco - they'd fit right in.
While DC would be a fitting place so we could put all our trash in one location, Cleveland, Cincinnati & other points in Ohio seem really suitable to me.
Monahorns
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mb227, I don't disagree. I was just trying to explain why some voted against Prop B, not that I thought they should.
Most homeless are that way because they chose to do drugs and don't want to work. They hate any kind of responsibility or authority. It is really twisted thinking, but that is the view point of most of the homeless I talked to back in the day.
Those who want to get off the street will seek out help and work their way out of the situation.
Most homeless are that way because they chose to do drugs and don't want to work. They hate any kind of responsibility or authority. It is really twisted thinking, but that is the view point of most of the homeless I talked to back in the day.
Those who want to get off the street will seek out help and work their way out of the situation.
I say give them two weeks, then it's soylent green time.
So the Texas Senate has passed the bill making homeless camps illegal. The House already passed it.
It will be a class c misdemeanor with $500 fine. Like a homeless person has that.
The police will direct the homeless person to services and shelters. Of course if the person does not wish the services or shelter then what?
This bill is so toothless why did the Lege waste time?
It will be a class c misdemeanor with $500 fine. Like a homeless person has that.
The police will direct the homeless person to services and shelters. Of course if the person does not wish the services or shelter then what?
This bill is so toothless why did the Lege waste time?
What were you expecting them to pass?
Something more along the lines of soylent green probably, which we probably need if we are going to really separate the chaffe. The people that really need help are overshadowed by the bums, vagrants and transients.
The Texas Legislature meets for 4 1/2 months every other year. Having worked in the Senate when I was in school, it is four months of party, and two weeks of CYA so hopefully no one finds out that you have done nothing in four months.
This bill is worthless as tits on a boar hog, but homeless encampments are unpopular and "LOOK AT ME: I VOTED TO STOP THEM; where's my free scotch"
This bill is worthless as tits on a boar hog, but homeless encampments are unpopular and "LOOK AT ME: I VOTED TO STOP THEM; where's my free scotch"
You must have worked there during the Gib Lewis days. I was there in the mid to late '90s, and by then Pete Laney had put the House on a real calendar. There was still plenty of partying. (In fact, in 1999 at the sine die party Tony Goolsby staggered piss drunk into a bus boy and made him spill an entire tray of drinks on me. That drunken POS ruined my suit.) However, having a real calendar ended the 4-month party.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out what you and Horn6721 wanted. I don't like the homeless camps anymore than anyone else, but criminalizing them and charging them with a fine seems reasonable. Should they be getting charged with a felony and thrown in the slammer for ten years?
Quite frankly, I don't object to transporting someone to Del Valle. At least they won't be committing other crimes for the few days while they wait to see a magistrate...
The 'homeless' that actually WANT help will take the help that is offered. Those that don't have illustrated they have no desire to remain in a polite society to begin with...
Send them by bus to Oklahoma
We need to start a penal colony for vagrants that provides a bed and food. Have it so far outside of city limits that every trip out there takes the vagrant 3 weeks to get back. You have to apply friction to the process otherwise you get what we have now in Austin. Waiting for you to see it Deez.
Deez
Again where did I say I wanterd the legislature to pass a homeless bill??
What I am saying is this bill is worthless. See the difference? Just because I say a bill is worthless does not mean I wanted a bill of any kind on this.
So they charge the homeless with a fine. Homeless doesn't pay. Now what??
Have you read the bill? Show me anything in the bill that will stop or even cut down on homeless camps
Again where did I say I wanterd the legislature to pass a homeless bill??
What I am saying is this bill is worthless. See the difference? Just because I say a bill is worthless does not mean I wanted a bill of any kind on this.
So they charge the homeless with a fine. Homeless doesn't pay. Now what??
Have you read the bill? Show me anything in the bill that will stop or even cut down on homeless camps
Nobody ever got kicked out of office for dumping on the mentally ill or voting to cut state funding for helping them. And mentally ill people and the homeless don’t vote. So, no problem. When they break in to some place to get out of the cold or steal something just pitch them in jail or prison where we don’t have to see them. Problem solved
Seattle Husker
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Wait...politicians treat the symptom, not the cause? Sounds like this new legislation is simply another way to ensure a segment of society can never rise above their current challenges. It will make the politicians that supported this feel great though. "See, we are punishing those homeless people."
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