Yep. Just don't sit on the toilet seats.
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Yep. Just don't sit on the toilet seats.
I agree
Here's the hard part for me. This is one of the issues in healthcare that the dems tend to do better... Government directed/funded programs for homeless with chronic/lifelong mental health issues.
It takes a huge integrated system, often multi county to be effective.
They need stable housing, access to mental Healthcare (medication) and workers to help them manage their lives in a humane way.
Denver did pretty well creating a system of multiple nonprofit organizations as well as the county. It can be done that way. But it's hard to get everyone aligned.
While Austin is now liberal than the state, it's still divided on solutions. You have to find a bi partisan solution
I don't think the Houston Luling City Market is the same company. Could be wrong, but I thought I heard that from someone who would know.
After ten years of having to pay separately for packets of ketchup, tortilla chips, bread, refills on drinks, and using the bathroom, I don't complain about stuff like that anymore. Maybe I should. Lol.
Not the same.
The activists are just mentally ill. People can't accept that the cop shot that young lady who was possibly going to stab another girl! This guy is of the same ilk. Reality has been politicized into a fantasy.
My wife and I attended a conference where the guest speaker was a man who has a development in Austin designed strictly for homeless people. He has been involved in the homeless community for years and said of the many hundreds he has helped and worked with, ONLY ONE WAS REHABILITATED back into society. The rest are hopelessly unable to care for themselves as normal people can. And if you let them, they will destroy our cities with filth, drug usage and crime. THAT IS A FACT.
If we stipulate that they are hopelessly ill, then we have a couple of choices; 1) "Feel good about ourselves" and allow them to destroy our city 2) Make the tough decisions, pay our taxes and get them off the streets and into some sort of facility.
I don't know that there is a middle ground here. They will not do it themselves.
I don't know that there is a middle ground here. They will not do it themselves.
As always in life, it should be a case by case basis. What is the standard for committing someone? Being a threat to harm others or themselves? Well if they are unable to be rehabilitated (or just get a roommate and land that job of which there are plenty, to pay the bills) then they are harming themselves. So we have to spend the money to take care of them and it probably would be an involuntary commitment. I think that is the only answer. It is the price we pay.
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What is a FACT? That a developer stated that only one homeless has been rehabilitated in Austin?
Homelessness my not always start with mental illness but that is often the result. The infrastructure and desire to deal with the mentally unstable has evaporated in the last 40 years. It's a chicken/egg scenario whether that's the result of a deterioration in funding, a bonified shift in treatment protocol (e.g. outpatient services vs. "committed" facilities) or society shifted what we felt was acceptable in treating these individuals (e.g. impact of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).
Regardless, at this moment we have a mental health crisis being exacerbated by the drug and housing costs problems in big cities.
It wasn’t always this way. When will progressives admit their policies have exacerbated this problem?
Here is the "developer." I know your first reaction is to defend Liberal policies and results. The FACTS come from those in the know and not those committed to doctrine and ideology.
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So this is a FACT or from someone committed to doctrine and ideology? Emphasis is mine but the quote is yours.
I'm sure there is a FACT somewhere in your passage, at least evidence as has been relayed to you. My goal here is to hold up a mirror to you to show that "doctrine and ideology", your own, is equally influencing your judgement which is you seem to be resistant to recognize as you point the finger at others.
Is now a good time to pull out ace card that is the reduction in mental health services and "War on Drugs" funding during the Reagan administration? Not sure "liberals" can be blamed for that. Blame them for the mamby pamby softness in supporting homeless with blankets, tents, food lines etc. but the mental health and drug crisis has it's roots in the 80's.
Thanks Ann Richards! She was the one who felt mentally ill were being held captive and basically opened up mental hospitals to let them all go because they were being "held against their will". Then follow that up with the liberal city council allowing this trashing of Austin to go on without addressing the real issues.
This is what happens when liberal feel good policy goes wrong.
The trash is what gets you (after you become numbed by all the tents) when you see it. Could we incentivize some to pick up the trash? Really, we prove meal and supply packages can’t we somehow reward for trash pick up. Surely they could use a few bucks got drugs and alcohol. Sorry, I know that is low down but the trash is unbelievable and something has got to be done, well maybe not, cause hasn’t yet.
To put Ann and the unfunded mandates in a different light...
She was a big proponent of a treatment modality on drug offenses. This is how we came to have the State Jail Division after the '94 reworking of the the Penal Code. The presumption was a period of probation with a treatment component attached. However, it quickly got to the point to where the druggies were refusing treatment and just telling their attorney, appointed or retained, to negotiate the fewest days possible so they could get the time over with and get high again.
My TDCJ clients who get a parole vote into the In-Prison Therapeutic Community (same thing as SAPF for the probation crowd) frequently report about the co-mingling with the SAFP placements and how the probationers have no interest in staying clean or even trying to work the program. It creates real problems for those who actually DO want help for their addictions...some of our clients know that a relapse could put them in habitual category, meaning 25 at the base and a cap of 99 or life.
The PNW is about to learn this lesson with their decriminalization debacle...
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I'd agree. The trash left behind by abandoned encampments is the biggest eyesore. In Seattle, my belief is that the readily available tents/sleeping bags from shelters makes these items worthless to the homeless. They can simply abandon them with the comfort that they'll get replacements easily. Add on clothing handouts plus all the scavenging that gets accumulated in camp sites and it becomes a major problem when they are abandoned. That's one benefit of the formal homeless camps that travel from church parking lot to church parking lot. They typically do a good job of cleaning up after themselves, are safer and of course much better about ensuring no drug use occurs. I'm guessing that these camps are the "savable" variety. What we haven't addressed is the volume run down campers and people living out of their cars. This is a step up from those living in tents and less apt to be abandoned but still a problem.
I really have to laugh. In my view, you are very committed to defending Liberalism at all costs. What dogma am I defending? I see trash. I see vagrants all over the place. I see defecation. I see tents everywhere and it's because of the Liberal city council's policies. You want to label me a Trumper and I'm sorry to tell you that what you are doing is labeling me with something that makes you feel good about your delusions concerning Liberalism.
You are very smart, but I think you have let your mind run wild on your feelings of being good and that has it's limits, especially when you support political charlatans who sound as if they are made from your humanitarian form.
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Defending through omission. Look back on your posts...how often do you criticize or even entertain the possibility that a Republican policy or politician was a contributing factor to a problem. You didn't use to be this way but recently (6-12 months) you've developed this behavior while shouting from the mountaintop about everyone else's blindspots. As politely as I know how, I'm trying to hold up a mirror with your own statements.
Did you notice that I actually said that "liberals" are culpable for some fault or did you skip past it in your zeal to accuse me of "defending liberalism"? It's as if you're talking PAST me rather than to me with your arguments.
I've seen several of the villages along and under 183, Cesar Chavez, etc, but had not seen Riverside until last week. The area around Pleasant Valley made my jaw drop, and that's after seeing everything else. Un-freaking believable, and amazingly sad.
The reason is because of something Reagan did in 1981. All the Liberals know this so their "solutions" are unimpeachable.
I don't consider myself a "Republican" or "Democrat". I lean slightly left on some topics and right on others depending upon the issue. I vote for the candidate who aligns most with my views and beliefs regardless of which "side" they claim to be on. I don't give a shite who's "fault" this is, just fix it.
I will gladly pick up a shovel and gloves to go help, donate to a worthy cause that will legitimately assist those folks who want help, or whatever it takes. Unfortunately I don't have confidence in the current Austin leadership to do so, and it's not because they're Democrat, liberal, or whatever - it's because they're all lazy morons who have quickly looked the other way and done whatever they thought would get them more votes to stay fat and happy in city hall. I also believe this to be the case of 99% of politicians whether they sit in city hall, state capitol building or Washington DC.
I will gladly pick up a shovel and gloves to go help, donate to a worthy cause that will legitimately assist those folks who want help, or whatever it takes. Unfortunately I don't have confidence in the current Austin leadership to do so, and it's not because they're Democrat, liberal, or whatever - it's because they're all lazy morons who have quickly looked the other way and done whatever they thought would get them more votes to stay fat and happy in city hall. I also believe this to be the case of 99% of politicians whether they sit in city hall, state capitol building or Washington DC.
That looks like a small parade of social misfits and dorks.
Barbecue at Sangre's place in June. Heard it here first.
There is hope for Austin after all...Prop B passed, and much to Casar and Adler's claims to the contrary, it was NOT the Republicans who told the bums to pack up and get moving. No, it was a city that leans heavily Dem that came out and voted for Prop B. This was, after all, a CITY election, and the most heavily conservative pockets of Travis County are located outside of city limits...
Sadly, I suspect that the city will find someone to try and get a sympathetic judge to issue some sort of a temporary injunction because I already see people trying to lean upon a 9th Circuit case to claim Prop B is unconstitutional. Never mind that it was never unconstitutional when we had the ban prior to 2019...
Sadly, I suspect that the city will find someone to try and get a sympathetic judge to issue some sort of a temporary injunction because I already see people trying to lean upon a 9th Circuit case to claim Prop B is unconstitutional. Never mind that it was never unconstitutional when we had the ban prior to 2019...
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