Venezuelan Update (Florida Maquis)

Joe Fan said:
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Question: If Maduro and “socialism” is the cause of all this suffering, and the US government is so concerned about the well-being of the population, why is it necessary to place hard sanctions on the country which only ensures suffering? Funny we don’t sanction Nigeria and other corrupt, dictatorial regimes where populations are suffering.
 
Musburger1 said:
What about our house?,,,,,
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I must admit I was unaware millions of Americans were fleeing the US. Is that what they show on Russian TV? From here, it seems like millions are risking their lives and the lives of their children to break into US.
 
Joe Fan said:
I must admit I was unaware millions of Americans were fleeing the US. Is that what they show on Russian TV? From here, it seems like millions are risking their lives and the lives of their children to break into US.
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The suicide rate is what I’m addressing. As far as the exodus out of Venezuela, a high percentage of these people had originally migrated into Venezuela from Columbia to escape the violence. Now that they are returning, the media ignores this piece of information and paints it to suit our government’s propaganda effort.
 
Musburger1 said:
The suicide rate is what I’m addressing. As far as the exodus out of Venezuela, a high percentage of these people had originally migrated into Venezuela from Columbia to escape the violence. Now that they are returning, the media ignores this piece of information and paints it to suit our government’s propaganda effort.
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That is some KGB-level rationalization, bravo

But if you are correct about the millions of Americans fleeing the US just like the millions of Venezuelans fleeing there, think of the tremendous photo op that will be presented when the lines of Americans crosses paths with the lines Of Hondurans trying to get into the US! Maybe they will swap recipes, discuss where the cleanest toilets are to be found?
 
Joe Fan said:
That is some KGB-level rationalization, bravo

But if you are correct about the millions of Americans fleeing the US just like the millions of Venezuelans fleeing there, think of the tremendous photo op that will be presented when the lines of Americans crosses paths with the lines Of Hondurans trying to get into the US! Maybe they will swap recipes, discuss where the cleanest toilets are to be found?
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I never said Americans were fleeing the country. Where the hell are you getting that from?
 
The US suicide rate is connected to the opioid epidemic, meaning despair fueled by an excess of things. The Venezuelan suicide rate is connected to societal and economic collapse, meaning a lack of things and an excess of violence.

Venezuelans are running away to places with more things, like Colombia. In Colombia they have more things and less violence.
 
Monahorns said:
The US suicide rate is connected to the opioid epidemic, meaning despair fueled by an excess of things. The Venezuelan suicide rate is connected to societal and economic collapse, meaning a lack of things and an excess of violence.

Venezuelans are running away to places with more things, like Colombia. In Colombia they have more things and less violence.
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Colombia is not safer than Velenzuela. It is once again on the verge of civil war.

Again, if our government is so concerned with human rights, and use such as the rationale to destroy countries (Libya and Iraq being two examples), does it make since to support policies which only starve civilians and create refugees? Of course not. The true issue we have with Velenzuela and Iran has nothing to do with how the government treats their people. The real issue is oil and these countries choosing sovereignty over vassal status. But to justify sanctions and aggression, the propagandists use human rights abuse accusations and corruption to sway the American public toward acquiescence. And then we work to orchestrate regime change with the support of our brainwashed public. While simultaneously we shower the Saudis and Nigerian dictators with bribe mone, arms, and support. Pompeo serves basically the same purpose is Goebels did for Nazi Germany. More than anything he is a minister of propaganda.
 
Musburger1 said:
Colombia is not safer than Velenzuela. It is once again on the verge of civil war.

Again, if our government is so concerned with human rights, and use such as the rationale to destroy countries (Libya and Iraq being two examples), does it make since to support policies which only starve civilians and create refugees? Of course not. The true issue we have with Velenzuela and Iran has nothing to do with how the government treats their people. The real issue is oil and these countries choosing sovereignty over vassal status. But to justify sanctions and aggression, the propagandists use human rights abuse accusations and corruption to sway the American public toward acquiescence. And then we work to orchestrate regime change with the support of our brainwashed public. While simultaneously we shower the Saudis and Nigerian dictators with bribe mone, arms, and support. Pompeo serves basically the same purpose is Goebels did for Nazi Germany. More than anything he is a minister of propaganda.
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Spewing crap such as that in the above statement is why you have no credibility.
 
 
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iatrogenic said:
You know the rule; as soon as you make a Nazi comparison you become a lying sack, and lose the argument.
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Sorry, but I don’t play the politically correct game. If you are too blind to see the obvious similarity of Pompeo’s propagandist rants with those of Goebels, that’s your problem. It is what it is.
 
Shouldn't you be killing dissidents, or hacking computers, or stealing industrial secrets, or starving your people? Why waste so much time on false propaganda when you could be engaged in fruitful activities?
 
iatrogenic said:
Shouldn't you be killing dissidents, or hacking computers, or stealing industrial secrets, or starving your people? Why waste so much time on false propaganda when you could be engaged in fruitful activities?
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Better be careful opening your mail. Someone (Putin?) may be engaging in such a fruitful activity.
 
Musburger1 said:
The Bolivar is almost irrelevant so the statistic means nothing. The Petro, a cryptocurrency, is now the mechanism of exchange, and it is based on oil. The US dollar is based on nothing but trust.
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Here is what your Petro will buy you
Water that stinks of petrol

 
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The Bolivar is irrelevant because the government prints too many of them. Central planning of money supply is a bad bad thing people.
 
Monahorns said:
The Bolivar is irrelevant because the government prints too many of them. Central planning of money supply is a bad bad thing people.
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A government may print excess money when lending is cut off via sanctions and de facto control of the IMF, SWIFT, and the world bank. This is the United States financial way of waging war as we’ve seen with Russia, North Korea, and Iran to varying degrees. The sanctions are designed to cut off credit, starve the people (in the words of John Bolton recently in his verbal assault on Iran), and lead to regime change. Socialism is blamed in the case of Venezuela when in fact governments from Canada to Sweden are socialist. Hell, the US is socialist to a great extent. The US is definitely centrally planned now as the federal reserves controls monetary policy and the Pentagon controls foreign policy, all of which happens with virtually zero input or oversight by elected officials.
 
A government may print excess money when lending is cut off via sanctions and de facto control of the IMF, SWIFT, and the world bank. This is the United States financial way of waging war as we’ve seen with Russia, North Korea, and Iran to varying degrees. The sanctions are designed to cut off credit, starve the people (in the words of John Bolton recently in his verbal assault on Iran), and lead to regime change. Socialism is blamed in the case of Venezuela when in fact governments from Canada to Sweden are socialist. Hell, the US is socialist to a great extent. The US is definitely centrally planned now as the federal reserves controls monetary policy and the Pentagon controls foreign policy, all of which happens with virtually zero input or oversight by elected officials.
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Musberger, you are being dishonest or you don't really understand what you are talking about. Cutting off credit does not make the Venezuelan government print Bolivars until they are worthless. In fact, the issue would be worse if you took the same level of Venezuelan central bank supply creation and then added foreign credit on top of it. The one thing that can help their currency is having less of it. It has noting to do with the US either. We don't force them, and can't, to devalue their currency.

I agree with the last half of your statement. Central banks, including the federal reserve, are a form of socialism. I prefer the therm fascist though. The public/private nature of it warrants the change in label. The US has centrally planned monetary policy through the Fed and it is set up to favor large bankers, lobbyists, and defense contractors. No doubt.
 
Monahorns said:
Musberger, you are being dishonest or you don't really understand what you are talking about. Cutting off credit does not make the Venezuelan government print Bolivars until they are worthless. In fact, the issue would be worse if you took the same level of Venezuelan central bank supply creation and then added foreign credit on top of it. The one thing that can help their currency is having less of it. It has noting to do with the US either. We don't force them, and can't, to devalue their currency.

I agree with the last half of your statement. Central banks, including the federal reserve, are a form of socialism. I prefer the therm fascist though. The public/private nature of it warrants the change in label. The US has centrally planned monetary policy through the Fed and it is set up to favor large bankers, lobbyists, and defense contractors. No doubt.
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Most any government is going to debase its currency when under pressure. Sanctions are relevant. Look what has happened to the ruble as well as the Iranian currencies while hit with sanctions. Without sanctions, a country such as Venezuela can borrow money in order to repair oil infrastructure and eventually use the additional revenue generated by the improvements to pay back the loans. This is the whole purpose of the sanctions; to prevent the economy from rebuilding, leading to hardship, dissatisfaction among the citizens, followed by regime change.
 
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