UT, OU, and SEC?

militaryhorn said:
The college landscape does not care about tradition any longer. This is just the first step in what my belief has been over the last 5 years or more...it will end up as a 30 to 40 team league that is not governed by the NCAA and will be a semi pro sports league with only blue blood schools invited. NIL is the next step.
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I think the time has come that we see the likes of Rice, Duke, Tulane, and maybe even Northwestern (or even Stanford) say "screw it", we're out of college football. It no longer supports what we're trying to do as an institution.

On a related note, at the bigger programs: think of the dirt poor, grocery store Ramen noodle-eating TA trying to teach Joe Starathlete, who makes a half million $, in his class.

Or think of the dirt poor grad assistant "coach" trying to coach Joe Starathlete, who makes a half million $. Some college players may end up making more $ than the actual coaches.
 
The outside schools will still play each other and go to the many bowls which various cities will promote

their facilities will be less magnificent

I had lunch with a woman whose brother played baseball at a division II school that had a decent football program. The baseball team had little in the way of amenities and almost no scholarships as near as she could tell. Her brother played without one for four years.
That is the face of the future for the outs. Kansas will still have basketball. Other schools will put their bucks on track or crew or whatever

40 teams will go whole hog including Texas and the aggies
 
This website began in January '99 I believe. I've read it from day 1. Until 2 days ago we wanted nothing to do with the SEC. Just a bunch of knuckle dragging toothless hillbillies. Every school except Vandy was a cow college. Boosters who didn't know the meaning of the word ethics. Other than money why is this magically a great idea? Recruiting? Not if we don't win. Road trips to all those towns the majority describe as shitholes? Branding? Thought we already had the biggest one. What's the upside?
 
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Chop said:
That would be an incredibly big landing for KU if it transpires. I know KU basketball is (normally) excellent, and academically KU is an overachiever, but their football is terrible--beyond terrible, and they are a very small media market. No recruiting benefits either. I doubt the BIG even wants them, but I could be wrong...
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Kansas has about as much of a fan base as Missouri does, and is the biggest draw in the Kansas City market.

- Mike
 
Kind of funny to hear Texas A&M talk about protecting their interests... I seem to recall their fans screaming "SEC SEC SEC" and putting up billboards in Austin that said, "SEC Country." Now, it's back to caring about themselves, the strengthening of the conference even further be damned.

Seriously. What a bunch of morons.
 
Maryland just can't help themselves
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Talk about a ********. College Park makes Brazos County look like a garden spot. Close to the worst campus I've ever been on.
 
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I have been watching the Paul Finebaum show this afternoon and there is a lot of hate towards Texas. The perception seems to be that we are the reason all these teams left the SWC and Big XII. Plus, we are bullies and demand things on the other conference members. Most of call in viewers have this view.

Is this reality? If we remove our orange colored glasses, do we behave this way as a school?

I hope we have early success to shut everyone up.
 
militaryhorn said:
I have been watching the Paul Finebaum show this afternoon and there is a lot of hate towards Texas. The perception seems to be that we are the reason all these teams left the SWC and Big XII. Plus, we are bullies and demand things on the other conference members. Most of call in viewers have this view.

Is this reality? If we remove our orange colored glasses, do we behave this way as a school?

I hope we have early success to shut everyone up.
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DeLoss said we were the Jones'...

I have a feeling we push.
 
If Texas is not hated then we are not doing our job, period. Arkansas still hates us more than ever. There is bad and legitimate blood there. But Arky understands angry men win ball games. Texas and Oklahoma hate and "need" each other because that hate can be marketed every October. Now Texas v Arky,okie and Aggie can be 3 hateful/profitable games. Texas does not have that in the Big 12, Oklahoma has Okie Lite, kind of, but not quite the same (see egg bowl). The Sec will not vote no.

Aggie seems to think everyone understands how awesome they will be someday soon, but they have mostly annoyed the SEC fan base, not created a meaningful rivalry with ant sec team. They may never, unless they win once a
decade or so against LSU in 8 overtimes.

It is funny that some sites believe Aggie will push/cry to be in a "pod" with LSU, and the Miss schools. That means they will lose one marquee game (or more) a year, instead of being in arguably the best SEC Pod, with every game followed. Dum shitz.

The Yankees are not always good but everyone wants to beat them. The horns, and ND, and Bama, and Ou and a few others are in similar situations. Nebraska used to be. Aggie, not so much.
 
I_Dont_Exist said:
This website began in January '99 I believe. I've read it from day 1. Until 2 days ago we wanted nothing to do with the SEC. Just a bunch of knuckle dragging toothless hillbillies. Every school except Vandy was a cow college. Boosters who didn't know the meaning of the word ethics. Other than money why is this magically a great idea? Recruiting? Not if we don't win. Road trips to all those towns the majority describe as shitholes? Branding? Thought we already had the biggest one. What's the upside?
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Well, first of all, much of the SEC is not toothless hillbillies, and people who kept saying that on HF were not sticking to facts. UGa, UFla, Vanderbilt, A&M--these schools are without a doubt "in our league" academically, and Nashville, Baton Rouge, Athens, GA, Columbia SC, Knoxville TN, even Fayetteville, AR--these are easily "in our league" as college towns. I have heard that the trip to UMiss is a good one, but I have not been. Also, I haven't been to Gainesville, but I bet it's a nice college town. So, the first point is that the myth that the whole southeast of the US is an ugly place with stupid people--well, that's a pretty ridiculous prejudice. All the girls on the sidelines of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina--they all had teeth.

I think the SEC was cheating all this time, but now that coming up with money for the players is legal, well, we should be able to do that just as well.

Plus, we have to acknowledge that A&M being in the SEC is/has given them an advantage, and has given the whole SEC an entree into Texas for recruiting. You listed 1999 as a time-frame; at that point, we had in addition to UT and OU, A&M, plus Nebraska (multiple hx of national championships) Colorado (won a NC), Arkansas (same). Our strength of schedule has fallen while the SEC has gone up.

So, some of it isn't "upside" but avoiding further downside, where we may go 12-1 and win our conference and not make the playoffs. Also, even in years we go 9-4, we could have huge sellout stadiums with name-brand SEC schools coming to town.
In the same type of year, we might not be selling tickets to KSU, ISU, etc. Even when we are having an off year, I would be excited to go see UGeorgia in Memorial Stadium--10x more than seeing OkState or Baylor. That is, my season tickets would be worth a lot more to me. And, Georgia may not be that much harder to actually beat than TCU or Baylor or OSU, but the amount of credit you would get is far more.

There are a lot of HS players in Florida, Alabama and Louisiana that would love to go out of the deep south for college (to Austin), and would do so if our schedule was filled with the names of schools familiar to them. So, we could benefit not only with Texas recruitment, but across the South. So, I see lots of upside.
 
VYFan said:
Well, first of all, much of the SEC is not toothless hillbillies, and people who kept saying that on HF were not sticking to facts. UGa, UFla, Vanderbilt, A&M--these schools are without a doubt "in our league" academically, and Nashville, Baton Rouge, Athens, GA, Columbia SC, Knoxville TN, even Fayetteville, AR--these are easily "in our league" as college towns. I have heard that the trip to UMiss is a good one, but I have not been. Also, I haven't been to Gainesville, but I bet it's a nice college town. So, the first point is that the myth that the whole southeast of the US is an ugly place with stupid people--well, that's a pretty ridiculous prejudice. All the girls on the sidelines of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina--they all had teeth.

I think the SEC was cheating all this time, but now that coming up with money for the players is legal, well, we should be able to do that just as well.

Plus, we have to acknowledge that A&M being in the SEC is/has given them an advantage, and has given the whole SEC an entree into Texas for recruiting. You listed 1999 as a time-frame; at that point, we had in addition to UT and OU, A&M, plus Nebraska (multiple hx of national championships) Colorado (won a NC), Arkansas (same). Our strength of schedule has fallen while the SEC has gone up.

So, some of it isn't "upside" but avoiding further downside, where we may go 12-1 and win our conference and not make the playoffs. Also, even in years we go 9-4, we could have huge sellout stadiums with name-brand SEC schools coming to town.
In the same type of year, we might not be selling tickets to KSU, ISU, etc. Even when we are having an off year, I would be excited to go see UGeorgia in Memorial Stadium--10x more than seeing OkState or Baylor. That is, my season tickets would be worth a lot more to me. And, Georgia may not be that much harder to actually beat than TCU or Baylor or OSU, but the amount of credit you would get is far more.

There are a lot of HS players in Florida, Alabama and Louisiana that would love to go out of the deep south for college (to Austin), and would do so if our schedule was filled with the names of schools familiar to them. So, we could benefit not only with Texas recruitment, but across the South. So, I see lots of upside.
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I agree.
 
Bring the hate. Throw the horns sign down. We don’t give a ****. We now can tell Texas recruits they play in the SEC? I’m all in.
 
VYFan said:
Well, first of all, much of the SEC is not toothless hillbillies, and people who kept saying that on HF were not sticking to facts. UGa, UFla, Vanderbilt, A&M--these schools are without a doubt "in our league" academically, and Nashville, Baton Rouge, Athens, GA, Columbia SC, Knoxville TN, even Fayetteville, AR--these are easily "in our league" as college towns. I have heard that the trip to UMiss is a good one, but I have not been. Also, I haven't been to Gainesville, but I bet it's a nice college town. So, the first point is that the myth that the whole southeast of the US is an ugly place with stupid people--well, that's a pretty ridiculous prejudice. All the girls on the sidelines of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina--they all had teeth.

I think the SEC was cheating all this time, but now that coming up with money for the players is legal, well, we should be able to do that just as well.

Plus, we have to acknowledge that A&M being in the SEC is/has given them an advantage, and has given the whole SEC an entree into Texas for recruiting. You listed 1999 as a time-frame; at that point, we had in addition to UT and OU, A&M, plus Nebraska (multiple hx of national championships) Colorado (won a NC), Arkansas (same). Our strength of schedule has fallen while the SEC has gone up.

So, some of it isn't "upside" but avoiding further downside, where we may go 12-1 and win our conference and not make the playoffs. Also, even in years we go 9-4, we could have huge sellout stadiums with name-brand SEC schools coming to town.
In the same type of year, we might not be selling tickets to KSU, ISU, etc. Even when we are having an off year, I would be excited to go see UGeorgia in Memorial Stadium--10x more than seeing OkState or Baylor. That is, my season tickets would be worth a lot more to me. And, Georgia may not be that much harder to actually beat than TCU or Baylor or OSU, but the amount of credit you would get is far more.

There are a lot of HS players in Florida, Alabama and Louisiana that would love to go out of the deep south for college (to Austin), and would do so if our schedule was filled with the names of schools familiar to them. So, we could benefit not only with Texas recruitment, but across the South. So, I see lots of upside.
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I'm with you 100%. My post was addressing the "hypocrisy so thick you can walk on it"aspect.
 
militaryhorn said:
I have been watching the Paul Finebaum show this afternoon and there is a lot of hate towards Texas. The perception seems to be that we are the reason all these teams left the SWC and Big XII. Plus, we are bullies and demand things on the other conference members. Most of call in viewers have this view.

Is this reality? If we remove our orange colored glasses, do we behave this way as a school?

I hope we have early success to shut everyone up.
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Imagine that? The little man with the big noggin is dissing Texas? Frankly, I’m shocked.

Like Deloss said (and others have repeated), “We are the Jones.” Finebaum and those that can see only to the end of their noses are scared to death. That includes the Aggies. They are afraid that Texas, a team that hasn’t done squat in a decade, will suck the air out of the room and be the kingpin of the SEC, probably on Day 1. Yep, I did say that.

You know what? They should be scared. And just like baseball fans hate the Yankees and football fans hate the Cowboys, there will be plenty of folks that will hate Texas. It comes with the territory and frankly, I relish it.

So if we do emerge in that conference, it will be very entertaining watching Finebaum, TAM and others obsess about how terrible a decision it was, and how bad Texas is. Terrible, like Austin is terrible. That kind of terrible.

Can’t wait.
 
Like it or not, this is a done deal in a bigger done deal. 4 conferences, 16 teams or there about, no one else. if I am right, this is the best move for most.
 
BevoJoe said:
I don't like the "warm-up" games against non-Power5 teams. Any non-conference games should be against other P5 programs. There is the money issue since the lower rated programs take a pretty good payday from letting a P5 program beat the snot out of them, but it doesn't make the P5 team any better. Maybe one opening day game, but the other 11 games should be against P5 programs. IIRC, the SEC schedules several non-P5 programs mainly to bolster the "we're the toughest conference" myth. Just my thoughts.
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Yeah, I don't like them either but I think the P5 should be required to play 1 a year. That's a cool million + for those schools to play the scout team and their kids get an experience in a major stadium with big time crowds.

I could see a new division, 64 teams, 4 16 team conferences. Conferences play their division and 2 from the opposite division in a home and home rotating every two years. Leaves 3 games, one should be a patsy school so they make a little money and get some exposure, one can be used to preserve rivalries (Fla v FSU) and another can be with another conference.
 
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